[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[GreenEyes]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I agree. If this case still goes through with all the glaring and very noticeable problems it has, then I will really believe the judge is biased. And I already have a low opinion of judges in regard to Michael Jackson to start with. Wade was not too traumatized to defend Michael in 2005 and during police questioning in 1993. Given the tough, no-nonsense prosecution cross-examination in 2005, he would not have gotten up the courage to testify like that if he was as messed up as he now claims to have been. This gets more and more stupid all the time. Sometimes you can just tell when somebody isn't telling the truth with a lawsuit, in my opinion. Whether or not they get away with it in court is another matter.

A judge cannot legislate from his/her bench. They can't just change the laws as they see fit - at least not without risking serious consequences, like impeachment.

It's so easy to see through this case to see what they are up to. I think a judge will see that too.

 

[Petrarose]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Ugh...didn't this happen a few months ago? Wade and his lawyers trying to ask for stuff he can't possibly have, when a Judge haven't even decided if this even gets to trial yet? Is this deja vu or rehashed shit on a slow news day?

I was going to say the same thing!! Didn't they ask for this way before and we were saying how come they are asking for Discovery when the judge has not even given the go ahead for the case. Why is this woman bringing up this thing now after the BB awards and all the accolades Micahel is getting now. What is her purpose? How come she does not know the settlement was not for 20 million?

 

[Justthefacts]

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If you read the motion they even want to know what Michael told his therapist.

 

[MJresearcher]

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To be precise, in his lawsuit he claims Chantal spent the night on a different floor in Michael's bedroom, not "just feet away".

Ah, a mistake on the article author's part. Or maybe just trying to make it more sensationalistic.

But they have it reversed compared to what they told at the trial. Now Wade says it was the first night they all (him, Chantal and MJ) spent in the same bed and then the next night Chantal "expressed concern" about it and slept on another floor. However in 2005 Chantal said Wade and MJ spent the first night in the same bed alone and then she became more comfortable with Michael and she spent the second night with them as well:

I was just reading Wade's testimony from 2005, he said him and his sister both slept in the bed with MJ:

21 Q. All right. Now, the first time that you

22 slept with Mr. Jackson you were seven years old; is

23 that correct?

24 A. I slept in the same bed with him. But, yes,

25 I was seven.

26 Q. Did you understand my question to mean

27 something other than that?

28 A. Sounded like it. 9105

1 Q. All right. But you slept in the same bed

2 with him when you were seven years old; is that

3 correct?

4 A. Yes.

5 Q. Was anybody else in that bed with you?

6 A. My sister, Chantel Robson.

They both told different stories at the trial.

When he was interviewed on the Today show he said during the first 18 months of his child's life he had 2 nervous breakdowns. He said he had no idea what was wrong with him and then suddenly one day starts thinking his relationship with MJ was a problem. How does he suddenly go from having no idea what his problem was to that and then seeking help?

Another thing that bothers me about that interview is that when asked what comes to his mind when MJ's name is mentioned one thing he mentioned feeling is compassion. How is it consistent to call someone a monster and say they sexually abused you but then say you feel compassion for them?!

 

[MJresearcher]

It looks like he may have been struggling mentally because he was a new father who probably wasn't getting much sleep and at the same time working on a large project that he was directing. That's a lot of stress and pressure to have all at once, and this could easily have been the real cause of his breakdown. It's likely he was disappointed about having to walk away from this opportunity since it was so big.

He has 3 months off work and then goes back for 8 months before having another breakdown. After another much longer gap of not being able to work he probably started getting very stressed about being able to provide for his family, even if he had some money to look after them for a while. He'd been off work for so long that he may have worried about whether or not he'd ever be able to work again.

Some people still see mental illness as a weakness, so maybe he saw blaming this all on sexual abuse as something that would seem like a better reason to people to be mentally ill than just being overwhelmed with a young child and work, that way when people asked why he couldn't handle working they'd see it as a more understandable reason. Then he could try getting money from MJ's estate, and if he succeeded he may not ever have to worry about working again so his capacity to do so wouldn't matter anymore, problem solved.

June 25th. That's a punch in the gut.

From Wade's testimony in 2005:

10 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Mr. Robson, has anyone

11 told you what to say in this courtroom today?

12 A. No.

13 Q. Is everything you’ve said the complete and

14 honest truth?

15 A. Yes.

16 Q. Did Mr. Jackson ever do anything wrong with

17 you?

18 A. No.

In the Today show interview he says MJ didn't pay him to say these things in court and didn't tell him to lie. What he says is that he was "brainwashed and that MJ would "role play" with him on the phone during the trial. So MJ didn't tell Wade to lie but then Wade says in court he was never touched which according to Wade is a lie. Yep.

 

[Soundmind]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

nothing is a coincidence. a planned blackmail .

 

[Soundmind]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

each time they file a paper with the court they leak it to tabloids. Typical victim behavior I guess.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

For the estate it is business as usual. I am sure he hates that publicly they ignore him.

 

[MJresearcher]

From Wade's lawsuit:

Excerpt from Wade's 2005 testimony:

23 Q. When did you stop sleeping with Mr. Jackson?

24 A. I guess when I was about, I don’t know,

25 maybe 13, 14, something like that.

26 Q. Why did you stop?

27 A. I didn’t stop sleeping with him. I just

28 haven’t spent the night with him, I mean, in his 9118

1 room or anything like that since then, I don’t

2 think.

 

[Ramona122003]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Ah, a mistake on the article author's part. Or maybe just trying to make it more sensationalistic.



I was just reading Wade's testimony from 2005, he said him and his sister both slept in the bed with MJ:



They both told different stories at the trial.

When he was interviewed on the Today show he said during the first 18 months of his child's life he had 2 nervous breakdowns. He said he had no idea what was wrong with him and then suddenly one day starts thinking his relationship with MJ was a problem. How does he suddenly go from having no idea what his problem was to that and then seeking help?

Another thing that bothers me about that interview is that when asked what comes to his mind when MJ's name is mentioned one thing he mentioned feeling is compassion. How is it consistent to call someone a monster and say they sexually abused you but then say you feel compassion for them?!

This will sound odd, so bear with me.

I think the reason why Wade use the term compassion is because he still respects Michael. Wade himself never directly called Michael a monster, that's his lawyer. I believe he knows what he is doing is wrong and selling his friend and mentor up the river for cash, which is why he can't use strong language against Michael besides calling him a pedo. In that same Today Show interview, he also called Michael a genius and a gifted musician and dancer. He wants to call Michael a molester, but he can't seem to will himself to be angry and outright called Michael a monster who raped him. Which is probably why that anal rap was never mentioned on that interview.

That is my theory.

 

[jamba]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

IMO these lawyers for Wade and Safechuck (and Q) are trying to get at the Santa Barbara files, which must be extensive, as a fishing expedition--and an intimidation tactic. It would be horrible if they had access b/c part of those files are the photos/videos from the strip search, and they were never revealed, but it would be a powerful weapon if they got out from the proseutors to this law firm. Feldman tried to get access and the settlement prevented it. They should have been returned to MJ after the trial, as he requested.

The law is so effed up that this is happening 5 years after someone dies. At some point someone has to say it's just too late for perpetual lawsuits against MJ. The scary thing too is that this is a creditor's claim and if it goes forward MJ won't have the protections that he would have in a criminal case--beyond a reasonable doubt. MJ as a defendant had more rights in the criminal trial than he would have had in the civil suit Feldman filed, even though Melville allowed 'prior acts' to come in (I think the 'prior acts' CA law is unconstitutional but to my knowledge that has never been tested).

 

[MJresearcher]

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It would be horrible if they had access b/c part of those files are the photos/videos from the strip search, and they were never revealed, but it would be a powerful weapon if they got out from the proseutors to this law firm.

I hope they NEVER get hold of those strip search photos, if they did I worry they'd be leaked publicly and that's a really scary thought!

This will sound odd, so bear with me.

I think the reason why Wade use the term compassion is because he still respects Michael. Wade himself never directly called Michael a monster, that's his lawyer. I believe he knows what he is doing is wrong and selling his friend and mentor up the river for cash, which is why he can't use strong language against Michael besides calling him a pedo. In that same Today Show interview, he also called Michael a genius and a gifted musician and dancer. He wants to call Michael a molester, but he can't seem to will himself to be angry and outright called Michael a monster who raped him. Which is probably why that anal rap was never mentioned on that interview.

That is my theory.

Yes, it's true that it was Wade's lawyer who called MJ a monster. I personally don't think he respects MJ at all, I don't know how a person could do this to someone they respect. His actions make it look like he only cares about himself unfortunately.

 

[Kingofpop4ever3000]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Didn't they ask for this way before and we were saying how come they are asking for Discovery when the judge has not even given the go ahead for the case.

I think that either these people have convinced themselves that their case is good enough that it will be allowed to go ahead or that this is yet another tactic to try and force the Estate to settle. And I don't like the thought of them asking for Michael's criminal files and trying to say there's a "pattern". That would only make sense if Michael had been convicted in 2005, in my opinion. Why should all of that be taken as fact of anything when Michael was never convicted of a crime?

 

[MJresearcher]

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And I don't like the thought of them asking for Michael's criminal files and trying to say there's a "pattern". That would only make sense if Michael had been convicted in 2005, in my opinion. Why should all of that be taken as fact of anything when Michael was never convicted of a crime?

Their case probably isn't that great, if it were it should be able to stand on its own. Trying to use any previous allegation seems pretty desperate to me. I bet they threw a party when Safechuck joined the lawsuit, it looks like they're trying to get all the help they can find.

 

[HIStory]

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If you read the motion they even want to know what Michael told his therapist.

Where do they say that? And when did Michael go to a therapist? I vaugely remember about a rumour that after the trial he went to a therapist for a while. Was that true? Is that what they want access to?

And when he was in rehab in 1993. I think there too he did therapy sessions.

I was just reading Wade's testimony from 2005, he said him and his sister both slept in the bed with MJ:


They both told different stories at the trial.

That's not a different story. They both said in 2005 that they both slept in the bed with Michael. There is nothing new in that claim in Wade's lawsuit. The new element is that now he claims MJ molested him. That they slept in the same bed was never denied.

21 Q. All right. Now, the first time that you

22 slept with Mr. Jackson you were seven years old; is

23 that correct?

24 A. I slept in the same bed with him. But, yes,

25 I was seven.

26 Q. Did you understand my question to mean

27 something other than that?

28 A. Sounded like it. 9105

I find it interesting. For someone who now claims didn't know at the time what was molestation, he is sure conscious enough to correct the prosecutor because of what the term "sleeping with someone" might suggest. And he corrects him that he did not "sleep with" Michael, they just slept in the same bed. He caught and corrected even a small nuance like that, yet now he wants to claim he didn't know at the time that 7 years of molestation that according to him included anal rape, was sexual abuse...

In the Today show interview he says MJ didn't pay him to say these things in court and didn't tell him to lie. What he says is that he was "brainwashed and that MJ would "role play" with him on the phone during the trial. So MJ didn't tell Wade to lie but then Wade says in court he was never touched which according to Wade is a lie. Yep.

That part in his lawsuit in which he says that in 2005 brainwashed him:

It never made sense to me. He says Michael's way of brainwashing him was to call him on the phone and say things like: "They are making up all these lies about you and I, saying that we did all this disgusting sexual stuff." etc.

How would this brainwash an adult man? Moreover, Michael here is quoted as calling it a lie! Michael is quoted calling it "disgusting sexual stuff"! If all your life you were led to believe it was loving didn't this raise a red flag for you? Wait! Why does he call it "disgusting sexual stuff"? I thought it was loving. And why would Michael tell you it's a lie when you both know it isn't?

I said it before, but I wonder if Wade has a tape of Michael saying these things that they try to use by twisting it's meaning, because I don't know why Wade even includes these quotes in his lawsuit. They do not incriminate MJ, on the contrary.

This will sound odd, so bear with me.

I think the reason why Wade use the term compassion is because he still respects Michael. Wade himself never directly called Michael a monster, that's his lawyer. I believe he knows what he is doing is wrong and selling his friend and mentor up the river for cash, which is why he can't use strong language against Michael besides calling him a pedo. In that same Today Show interview, he also called Michael a genius and a gifted musician and dancer. He wants to call Michael a molester, but he can't seem to will himself to be angry and outright called Michael a monster who raped him. Which is probably why that anal rap was never mentioned on that interview.

That is my theory.

I don't think he respects Michael at all. Calling him a pedophile on national TV is bad enough. The whole compassion thing is IMO just something they gathered from self-help and psychology books about sex abuse which surely say that victims can feel compassion for the molester and that could be a reason why they do not disclose the abuse for long.

 

[HIStory]

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Their case probably isn't that great, if it were it should be able to stand on its own. Trying to use any previous allegation seems pretty desperate to me. I bet they threw a party when Safechuck joined the lawsuit, it looks like they're trying to get all the help they can find.

If they manage to bring in the other allegations it could backfire at them, though. I mean many people who think MJ is guilty think along the "no smoke without fire" lines and that "he's had 5 accusers now - all those people cannot lie". If they bring in Jordan, Gavin, Jason - and all those cases will get under scrutiny once again it will turn out for the jury that yeah, all those people CAN lie and that all of those cases have been weak and financially motivated. I almost think if it goes to trial it would be better if those other cases would be presented to the jury in their "full glory", rather than leaving the jury thinking - without knowing anything further about those old allegations: "he's been accused before so maybe it's true".

Let them bring in Jordan and how his father tried to extort Michael for money and how the allegations come from Evan, not Jordan. Let them bring in Gavin and how his claim is that MJ started molesting him WHILE the investigation by the Child Protective Services and Sneddon was going on and how his mother coached her sons to lie in court cases. Let them bring in Jason and how authorities coerced him into claiming things...

Wade's interest actually would rather be to leave the jury in the dark about those cases, but if they are foolish enough not to realize that then it's good for Michael's side.

 

[Soundmind]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It is a mockery of the justice system if he is going to be allowed to go forward with the credit claim or the lawsuit

 

[MJresearcher]

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That's not a different story. They both said in 2005 that they both slept in the bed with Michael. There is nothing new in that claim in Wade's lawsuit. The new element is that now he claims MJ molested him. That they slept in the same bed was never denied.

Sorry, I didn't explain it right, I meant Chantel was saying it was just MJ and Wade in the bed on the first night but Wade testified it was all of them in 2005. Him and his sister don't quite agree on who slept where and when but Wade has stuck to this part of his story in the lawsuit. It's probably nothing though.

I find it interesting. For someone who now claims didn't know at the time what was molestation, he is sure conscious enough to correct the prosecutor because of what the term "sleeping with someone" might suggest. And he corrects him that he did not "sleep with" Michael, they just slept in the same bed. He caught and corrected even a small nuance like that, yet now he wants to claim he didn't know at the time that 7 years of molestation that according to him included anal rape, was sexual abuse...

Exactly! He knew all along what was and wasn't abuse and molestation and that proves it.

That part in his lawsuit in which he says that in 2005 brainwashed him:

It never made sense to me. He says Michael's way of brainwashing him was to call him on the phone and say things like: "They are making up all these lies about you and I, saying that we did all this disgusting sexual stuff." etc.

How would this brainwash an adult man? Moreover, Michael here is quoted as calling it a lie! Michael is quoted calling it "disgusting sexual stuff"! If all your life you were led to believe it was loving didn't this raise a red flag for you? Wait! Why does he call it "disgusting sexual stuff"? I thought it was loving. And why would Michael tell you it's a lie when you both know it isn't?

I said it before, but I wonder if Wade has a tape of Michael saying these things that they try to use by twisting it's meaning, because I don't know why Wade even includes these quotes in his lawsuit. They do not incriminate MJ, on the contrary.

For an Wade to be "brainwashed" by MJ he would have to have started "brainwashing" him as a child and continued right through to adulthood, Keeping someone brainwashed takes more effort when they become an adult, and I'm not sure that they saw each other enough for Wade to successfully claim that MJ kept him "brainwashed." If MJ wanted to do that he would have kept close contact and watched him like a hawk. MJ calling it "disgusting sexual stuff" shows what MJ really thought about what was being said and yes, a real predator who had participated in those activities wouldn't call them disgusting or say they were lies if they'd been saying the opposite for many years, there's no consistency in that. They must be really desperate if they have to twist the conversation like that!

If they manage to bring in the other allegations it could backfire at them, though. I mean many people who think MJ is guilty think along the "no smoke without fire" lines and that "he's had 5 accusers now - all those people cannot lie". If they bring in Jordan, Gavin, Jason - and all those cases will get under scrutiny once again it will turn out for the jury that yeah, all those people CAN lie and that all of those cases have been weak and financially motivated. I almost think if it goes to trial it would be better if those other cases would be presented to the jury in their "full glory", rather than leaving the jury thinking - without knowing anything further about those old allegations: "he's been accused before so maybe it's true".

Let them bring in Jordan and how his father tried to extort Michael for money and how the allegations come from Evan, not Jordan. Let them bring in Gavin and how his claim is that MJ started molesting him WHILE the investigation by the Child Protective Services and Sneddon was going on and how his mother coached her sons to lie in court cases. Let them bring in Jason and how authorities coerced him into claiming things...

Wade's interest actually would rather be to leave the jury in the dark about those cases, but if they are foolish enough not to realize that then it's good for Michael's side.

I think that's a great idea! Wade and his team won't be able to establish a "pattern" in MJ's behaviour but the jury would no doubt see the pattern in the accusers behaviour! If they see one case after another of people trying to grab money they won't be able to deny that's what it was. Then they can put all the doubt to the side because there wouldn't be any cases they didn't know about, it all gets debunked in the same trial and is put to rest once and for all!

They'll also see that MJ wasn't the one asking for Wade to sleep in the same bed either, this is what Wade said about that in 2005:

14 Q. Did you talk with your mother, prior to that

15 first week that you slept with Mr. Jackson with your

16 sister, about the sleeping arrangements at all?

17 A. Well, yeah, the first day that we got there,

18 to Neverland Ranch -- you know, I think we got there

19 in about the afternoon. We hung out a bit.

20 When it was time to go bed, I asked Michael

21 if I could stay with him in his room. And then

22 Michael and I went to -- mom was staying in a guest

23 room. We went to her room and I asked her. Michael

24 asked her if that was okay. And she said yes.

I think it's important that people know it wasn't MJ asking Wade to come and stay with him since that's what people seem to think when they hear about the bed sharing.

 

[Ramona122003]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I hope they NEVER get hold of those strip search photos, if they did I worry they'd be leaked publicly and that's a really scary thought!



Yes, it's true that it was Wade's lawyer who called MJ a monster. I personally don't think he respects MJ at all, I don't know how a person could do this to someone they respect. His actions make it look like he only cares about himself unfortunately.

Perhaps respect is not the right word. Maybe fondness would be a better word. And he does only really care about himself, given what he's doing. However, given all the time he spent with Michael, he can't fill completely nothing. I mean, unlike Jordan and Gavin, he knew Michael for over a decade and studied under the guy.

He could have been a lot more vicious on that Today Show interview (given that he was supposedly anal rape he should be), but instead he use terms like compassion and praised Michael's talents. That shows that he still have some 'care' for Michael, but not enough for him not to do this to him and his kids.

Just to make it clear, I'm not pitying or excusing Wade's actions, which I find disgusting. Just given my reasons why he use muted language and leaves it to his lawyer to act as the attack dog.

 

[MJresearcher]

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I understand, I didn't think you were defending Wade in any way. It's all good

 

[HIStory]

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For an Wade to be "brainwashed" by MJ he would have to have started "brainwashing" him as a child and continued right through to adulthood, Keeping someone brainwashed takes more effort when they become an adult, and I'm not sure that they saw each other enough for Wade to successfully claim that MJ kept him "brainwashed."

In fact he says so in his lawsuit that they did not see each other that often:

I think that's a great idea! Wade and his team won't be able to establish a "pattern" in MJ's behaviour but the jury would no doubt see the pattern in the accusers behaviour!

Exactly. The only "pattern" here is the pattern of money grabbing by both the accusers and their so called "witnesses". They are more than welcome to present that pattern to a jury.

 

[MJresearcher]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

In fact he says so in his lawsuit that they did not see each other that often:

Excellent, proof MJ couldn't have had a death grip over Wade's psyche. Wade's lawyers must be insane, taking on such a bad case is nuts!

 

[Ramona122003]

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Excellent, proof MJ couldn't have had a death grip over Wade's psyche. Wade's lawyers must be insane, taking on such a bad case is nuts!

Didn't you know, Michael is a Sith Lord. He can manipulate people without seeing them. Even in death, he can used his powers to manipulate his victims to only ask for money and wait until the statue of limitation has pass. The force is strong with him. That's how he got the entire world to bow to him.

 

[Kingofpop4ever3000]

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Didn't you know, Michael is a Sith Lord. He can manipulate people without seeing them. Even in death, he can used his powers to manipulate his victims to only ask for money and wait until the statue of limitation has pass. The force is strong with him. That's how he got the entire world to bow to him.

Yes. These people totally losing all common sense just because Michael Jackson is involved. And so many folks have the nerve to call MJ fans crazy.

 

[Petrarose]

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Perhaps respect is not the right word. Maybe fondness would be a better word. And he does only really care about himself, given what he's doing. However, given all the time he spent with Michael, he can't fill completely nothing. I mean, unlike Jordan and Gavin, he knew Michael for over a decade and studied under the guy.

He could have been a lot more vicious on that Today Show interview (given that he was supposedly anal rape he should be), but instead he use terms like compassion and praised Michael's talents. That shows that he still have some 'care' for Michael, but not enough for him not to do this to him and his kids.

Just to make it clear, I'm not pitying or excusing Wade's actions, which I find disgusting. Just given my reasons why he use muted language and leaves it to his lawyer to act as the attack dog.

I have to agree with you from the psychological point of veiw. I get what you are saying there. YOu can see there is a conflict there. He wants to get the money and say what needs to be said to win, but he can't muster up the emotions to show this man is a horrible criminal. He still remembers the help & kindness so that affects his responses. However the greed and revenge makes him create and continue his claim. In fact you get more emotion from the lawyer about how evil Michael is.

 

[HIStory]

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I have to agree with you from the psychological point of veiw. I get what you are saying there. YOu can see there is a conflict there. He wants to get the money and say what needs to be said to win, but he can't muster up the emotions to show this man is a horrible criminal. He still remembers the help & kindness so that affects his responses. However the greed and revenge makes him create and continue his claim. In fact you get more emotion from the lawyer about how evil Michael is.

I really don't think that is the case, to be honest. He called Michael a pedophile on national TV. I don't see how that is any better than if he had called him a monster or a criminal. It's just a different term, but it's equally bad, if not worse.

To me Wade comes accross as a sociopath and sociopaths do not feel empathy or regret about some bad thing they pull. As long as they get their way they do not care about others.

 

[Soundmind]

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He has his cousin to call MJ all sort of things everywhere on the net. He is a sociopath as respect said

 

[AliCat]

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The other day it came out that 77 people were arrested in New York and New Jersey, very prominent people, for child molestation. There is evidence, with pictures and video, even mother's having sex with their child. Pretty disgusting.

Never has there ever been found any kind of child molestation pictures or videos found by the FBI or any other law enforcement against Michael Jackson.

Michael innocently says that sharing your bed with someone is a loving gesture. Martin Bashir gave it a sinister appearance. Kind of sad. Michael believed in looking out for children, their innocence. Now Wade and Jimmy want people to believe otherwise. They are banking on the Court of Public Opinion to sway their way.

Michael helped Gavin Arvizo beat cancer. Supposedly it was life threatening. With Michael's help the cancer went away.

 

[Soundmind]

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The other day it came out that 77 people were arrested in New York and New Jersey, very prominent people, for child molestation. There is evidence, with pictures and video, even mother's having sex with their child. Pretty disgusting.

Never has there ever been found any kind of child molestation pictures or videos found by the FBI or any other law enforcement against Michael Jackson.

Michael innocently says that sharing your bed with someone is a loving gesture. Martin Bashir gave it a sinister appearance. Kind of sad. Michael believed in looking out for children, their innocence. Now Wade and Jimmy want people to believe otherwise. They are banking on the Court of Public Opinion to sway their way.

Michael helped Gavin Arvizo beat cancer. Supposedly it was life threatening. With Michael's help the cancer went away.

He should have done the whole world a favor by leaving his sorry ass to die. He paid dearly for helping this ugly greedy creature survive.Please remove the pic, the last thing we want to see that criminal face, what a mother****er , that whole scene was so staged. leaning like that on MJs shoulder, the arvizos knew exactly what they were doing. I bet accusing him was the first thing Janet thought about before she set a foot inside Neverland.

 

[Petrarose]

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I really don't think that is the case, to be honest. He called Michael a pedophile on national TV. I don't see how that is any better than if he had called him a monster or a criminal. It's just a different term, but it's equally bad, if not worse.

To me Wade comes accross as a sociopath and sociopaths do not feel empathy or regret about some bad thing they pull. As long as they get their way they do not care about others.

Yeah I see what you are saying but I still understand what Romana is saying from that psychological angle. I see a difference in his emotions about Micahel the person vs his emotions about being abused. I see that as 2 different things. He can't show emotions about the abuse because he was never abused. When talking about Michael his initial remark does not convey hate. Yeah I know he said the P word. However, there is something there that I pick up on and I agree with Romana on this one. However, I get that you have a different take on that.

We discussed the mental health issues much earlier and I think we all agree that there is a problem there. I expect all that will come out, if he did seek psychiatric help in his past. He had a number of breakdowns and they had nothing to do with Michael Jackson.