- Dec 17, 2020
I think Michael had a 25-to-28 inch waist during the peak of his career.
Okay?I think Michael had a 25-to-28 inch waist during the peak of his career.
yes! he is such a dreamboat , broad shoulders, narrow waist, big hands, strong abs, perfection!I think Michael had a 25-to-28 inch waist during the peak of his career.
He was, basically, a naturally very small-built and skinny man for his height (about 5'9" to 5'10," as an adult), though his weight would occasionally ﬂuctuate a few pounds here and there —— depending upon whatever circumstances he faced that affected his appetite, his diet, etc., also, his high metabolism and intense physical activity as a dancer for practically all of his life —— and so, his waist was narrow.I think Michael had a 25-to 28-inch waist, during the peak of his career.
OKHe was, basically, a naturally very small-built and skinny man for his height (about 5'9" to 5'10," as an adult), though his weight would occasionally ﬂuctuate a few pounds here and there —— depending upon whatever circumstances he faced that affected his appetite, his diet, etc., also, his high metabolism and intense physical activity as a dancer for practically all of his life —— and so, his waist was narrow.
I just fail to see how that is relevant to the topic, I guess.Yes, I think so.
Maybe I'm right.I just fail to see how that is relevant to the topic, I guess.
@Licinus, I would be like: “AND, he was very skinny. . . .SO WHAT? What should that even mean or imply about him?” Not all men are built the same way, nor do all of them ﬁt into the old stereotypical “Male body-type” of being “big, burly, heavy, ‘athletic’ and muscular.” People of either one of the two genders (at whatever stage of their lives, from birth to old age) are naturally built in a wide variety of ways, and come in every possible shape, size, height, weight and body-build/-type. Michael was no exception to this vast variety of HUMAN shapes and sizes; It’s just another aspect of him that wasn’t stereotypical.Okay?
Neither do I get the “relevance” and “importance” of this, @Licinus. We may as well respond to posters who continue bringing it up, with: “AND. . . .What is that supposed to mean?” It means absolutely NOTHING, is of ZERO importance, and it’s irrelevant.I just fail to see how that is relevant to the topic, I guess.
With all due respect to you, @Sophia2023, I very strongly disagree. Though both Prince AND Michael were very much inﬂuenced by James Brown as to their vocal and singing-styles, their natural vocal and voice-types couldn’t have been any more diﬀerent from one another’s, 180-degrees totally opposite. Prince was indeed naturally much deeper-voiced in pitch than what Michael ever was throughout his whole entire career, even as the two of them were fully-grown adults.The Lyric has a warmer quality than the Light, and the Light has a little bit childish sound than the Lyric. The Light has a half-tone higher than the Lyric. In nature, Michael was just a normal Lyric Tenor, but he didn’t strain. Prince naturally had the similar voice as Michael, but sang differently because he didn’t want to be compared to him so he differentiated the vocal technique by adding “James Brown”-like screams, keeping the “Falsetto” when singing the high notes and lowering the larynx to achieve a darker-sounding, almost “Bass-Baritone”-like timbre.
Similar voices, just different coordinationsWith all due respect to you, @Sophia2023, I very strongly disagree. Though both Prince AND Michael were very much inﬂuenced by James Brown as to their vocal and singing-styles, their natural vocal and voice-types couldn’t have been any more diﬀerent from one another’s, 180-degrees totally opposite. Prince was indeed naturally much deeper-voiced in pitch than what Michael ever was throughout his whole entire career, even as the two of them were fully-grown adults.
While Michael’s natural voice was most deﬁnitely an extremely High Tenor* (*maybe even a possible naturally light-timbred “Countertenor,” according to some) who had occasionally used “Falsetto” on some songs (whose extremely wide Vocal Range extended to lower notes as well), but who had never really depended upon, nor exclusively relied upon, its use every single time he would hit or sing a high note, Prince, O.T.O.H., had a mostly Low Baritone voice that was capable of singing in multiple pitches and registers, but unlike Michael, however, it seemed as though he exclusively depended upon his use of “Falsetto,” to sing and hit higher notes in his Upper Register. As each one had his vocal strengths and not-so-strong points —— I wouldn’t necessarily call them “weaknesses.” —— on either end of their respective Vocal Ranges, one could naturally hit and sustain notes in full Chest Voice that the other could not (Prince for the lower-pitched notes, and Michael for the higher-pitched ones), and one relied a whole lot more on using “Falsetto” than the other, since their voices were so diﬀerent.
To me, they sounded NOTHING alike at all, and their “instruments” (as you call their voices) were as diﬀerent from one another’s as night and day. Their voices couldn’t be any further apart, as complete polar opposites; Even their natural speaking-voices were diﬀerent. One had a naturally “darker”-sounding voice, while the other had a naturally “brighter”-sounding voice. In no way even close to having been remotely “similar to” each other at all.Michael and Prince naturally had similar voices and their instruments were the same size, but sang differently and used different techniques. Michael brightened his voice and Prince darkened his voice. Similar voices, but used different stylistic choices.
Still, we can respectfully agree to disagree with each other, on this. You and I have a major difference of opinion and beliefs. These men’s natural voices were totally different from one another, as their speaking-voices prove, and the way they sang. The difference in natural voice-types is not the same as a difference in vocal styles, though they both shared many of the same people who inﬂuenced and mentored them during the early part of their careers —— James Brown most deﬁnitely having been one amongst THE GREATEST of such musical inﬂuences and mentors —— as well can all hear for ourselves.I suspect that Michael and Prince had very similar voices in reality, and they used diﬀerent approaches in singing and speaking. Michael and Prince modiﬁed their voices a lot, to diﬀerentiate.
You have YOUR view, @Sophia2023, and I have mine. After all, we both are basing our views on what we each believe to have been true, right? The “HIStory”-album version of “Earth Song” is mostly sung in full Chest Voice through its entirety (even the powerfully belted-out “What about us. . . .?” parts in the last half of the song) —— the repeated “Whoo!!!” exclamations sung in a very strong Head Voice towards the end —— while songs like “Adore” and “Scandalous” are mostly sung in “Falsetto.” I hear NO such “similarities” between the two voices. None whatsoever, apart from both men having hit high-pitched notes in their songs. Michael was a very highly-trained “Speech-Level” vocalist as an adult (having worked with Seth Riggs, who taught him the method of singing high- and low-pitched notes without having raised or lowered his larynx, thus keeping the larynx in a “neutral” position). Prince may have also used and worked with the same method of singing, but we don’t know nearly as much about whether he actually did that or not. We do know about Michael having used this method, however, because of the “warm-up” Videos posted on “YouTube”® and what we have read online.I listened to both Michael’s AND Prince’s songs, and I then compared their voices. They actually had similarities, and they modiﬁed their voices using their habits. Michael used his high larynx to sound like that, because, he wanted to sound like a kid; Prince used lower tones while speaking. Prince used his “Falsetto” a lot in his higher notes, because, that Chest Register in these notes wasn’t developed.
I would argue that Prince was a lyric baritone with a very high upward extension to his range. His belts in the 5th octave are not nearly as smooth and effortless as Michael’s. Additionally, he chose to use falsetto a lot, way more than Michael did.Voice types are biological, not stylistic choice. Michael and Prince were both lyric tenors, but used different approaches even in ease and density. Their passaggio's were at G4.
People confused Prince's voice technique is like mistaking a tenor for a baritone and according to Jayron Mainor, I think Prince still sounded like a tenor when lowering larynx. I also think Prince was a developed lyric tenor because he hid his naturally light weight when faux baritone techniques.I would argue that Prince was a lyric baritone with a very high upward extension to his range. His belts in the 5th octave are not nearly as smooth and effortless as Michael’s. Additionally, he chose to use falsetto a lot, way more than Michael did.
His speaking voice also had much more depth to it and sounded fuller, so did his lower notes. He actually sounded quite comfortable in his lower register, whereas Michael, did not always. I don’t think Prince can be considered a tenor, even less so a lyric tenor, but that’s just my opinion.
I’m sorry, but nothing of what you say implies anorexia. Why would you jump to such conclusion? There can be many reasons as to why one won’t eat as much or regularly!@GGVVGGCC22331122, I get my information from Michael Jackson himself, from his family, and from some of his closest associates.
Michael Jackson's eating habits is not a subjective matter that depends on which perspective is viewed through.
Since he was a kid, Michael Jackson exhibited signs and symptoms of anorexia.
Even his own mother Katherine Jackson expressed her fears about his refusal to eat.
She even mentioned a characteristic example:
When Michael Jackson was still a kid and the Jackson family would go out for hot fudge sundaes (a type of ice cream topped with hot fudge, nuts and whipped cream), he would be the only one who would not want to have one because of his refusal to eat anything.
As she also implied, her son Michael Jackson was probably the only kid in the world who did not want to eat a hot fudge sundae.
The singer also stated in one interview (in the mid '00s) that he had been suffering from food crises (implying also anorexia) when he would not eat anything for whole weeks to the point of becoming unconscious.
Michael Jackson exhibited signs and symptoms of anorexia also during the 'This Is It' era, when for example Kenny Ortega would force him to eat.
You also forget the space between your butt cheeks.get my information from Michael Jackson himself, from his family, and from some of his closest associates.
No, @Sophia2023, their natural voices were already totally diﬀerent from each other, right from jump. In fact, their natural voices couldn’t have been any further apart; I very highly doubt that Prince would have been able to sing “Earth Song” at all —— much LESS having convincingly and suﬃciently mastered the full Chest-Voiced Upper-Register belts during the last half of the song, in addition to the strong Head Voice exclamations towards the end (such high, powerful belting reminiscent of SO much of what Michael used to do in the early beginnings of his and his brothers’ “Motown”-era career as a child and young teenager, before the physical eﬀects of puberty/adolescence took over) —— or, the absolutely BEAUTIFUL vocals of such great songs as “Someone Put Your Hand Out,” “Butterﬂies,” the “P.Y.T. (Pretty Young Thing)” Demo from “Thriller 25,” “Childhood,” “Heaven Can Wait,” “Speechless,” etc., any more so than my imagining Michael having tried to sing “Purple Rain,” “Scandalous,” “GOD,” “Temptation,” “I Hate U,” “Insatiable,” “Shh. . . .,” “Do Me, Baby,” “The Most Beautiful Girl in the World,” “I Wish U Heaven,” “The Beautiful Ones,” “Adore,” etc., and various other songs like Prince had. Here is a segment taken from a much earlier comment (one of the ﬁrst I had made in this thread) that speciﬁcally pertained to their individual voices and vocal types:Voice types are biological, not choice. Michael and Prince were both Lyric Tenors, but used different approaches even in ease and density.
“Their natural voice-types couldn’t have been any more diﬀerent from one another’s —— like night and day —— as Prince’s voice was a much deeper Bass-Baritone that could extend upwards as high as ‘Falsetto’ and ‘Whistle’-Pitch Register when he sang, while Michael’s, as an adult, was an extremely High Tenor that never truly ‘lost’ any of its former ‘child Soprano’-like Upper Range (because, though he would use ‘Falsetto’ occasionally —— every once in a blue moon, on some songs, but not on all of them, when he would hit high notes —— he could still sing high notes without having had to rely on it) even while the Lower Register had slightly expanded downwards to near-‘Baritone’-like notes by the time he reached middle-age; It had maintained, throughout his adult life and career, its androgynous ‘young’ sound as well.”
Who is “Kaji”? And, in what ﬁeld of musical or vocal anything is “Kaji’s” expertise? I’d like to know. You are basing your whole entire viewpoint on someone else’s personal opinion, and not on the facts that you have researched on your own, for yourself.That’s the truth, because, voice-types are always based on biology, according to Kaji.