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DVD The unauthorised documentary of michael jackson

Re: don't buy this DVD about unauthorised documentary of michael jackson

StellaJackson said:
But the TMZ article itself isn't new. Look at the date on it. June 24th 2010. This is why I was saying that this is kind of a non issue. And it is indeed a very positive documentary with a lot of rare and candid footage of Michael.
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You are missing the point. it does not matter if the documentary is positive or negative. a theft is a theft. it's like saying a guy who steals money from the bank should go unpunished because he uses the money to feed his needy children.

Every time, someone uses MJ image and likeness without his Estate permission, they are in fact robbing his children of money since his Estate essentially belongs to his children and owns the rights to his image and likeness.
 
mj_brainiac said:
If I remember correctly, Shaffel owns the footage so he can do whatever he wants with it.

It was a good documentary. What's the point in being upset about something that's been out for 2 years and was put Michael in a positive light?
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I don't know, perhaps because schaffel who was nothing more than an amoral, professional swindler who was one of those who helped destroy mj's reputation. In his 06 lawsuit against mj his main tactic was to throw as much sleaze against mj as possible to blackmail mj into settling the case so he could leech even more money out of mj when he was at his most vulnerable and wounded after the 05 trial. Claiming in court and in the media that after the arvizo allegations were made, mj paid $300K to a south american family to keep quiet about a boy he had allegedly abused. He had absolutely no documentary evidence of this claim but you bet it fell on fertile ground a year after mj supposedly 'got off' the charges in the 05 trial.

So yes, i do get upset about people buying a documentary from a guy who accused mj of child molestation and who helped make his life a living hell, and who now changes his tune after mj's death when he sees a financial opportunity for making a positive video for fans. Personally, a documentary by matt fiddes wd be more appealing, at least he didn't say mj was a peodophile.
 
Re: don't buy this DVD about unauthorised documentary of michael jackson

passy001 said:
You are missing the point. it does not matter if the documentary is positive or negative. a theft is a theft. it's like saying a guy who steals money from the bank should go unpunished because he uses the money to feed his needy children.

Every time, someone uses MJ image and likeness without his Estate permission, they are in fact robbing his children of money since his Estate essentially belongs to his children and owns the rights to his image and likeness.
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That's the point. Unauthorized is not necessarily a theft. Neither it is illegal. For a theft, the Estate can sue. However, in my opinion, not everything can and should be authorized and approved.
 
Re: don't buy this DVD about unauthorised documentary of michael jackson

passy001 said:
You are missing the point. it does not matter if the documentary is positive or negative. a theft is a theft. it's like saying a guy who steals money from the bank should go unpunished because he uses the money to feed his needy children.

Every time, someone uses MJ image and likeness without his Estate permission, they are in fact robbing his children of money since his Estate essentially belongs to his children and owns the rights to his image and likeness.
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The footage is legally owned by March Schaffel, which is why it was released in Japan two years ago with no concerns from the Estate what so ever. He certainly isn't stealing anything and your theory that this sort of thing is stealing money from Michael's children, who will be multi millionaires when they are of age anyway, when there isn't a product of similar nature that is likely to take a hit from this is frankly absurd. It is no different from a television documentary or book about Michael, which is why anyone can make one perfectly legally.
 
It seems this topic falls within some moral areas as well. Those who are interested in a product and have no interest in who or where it is coming from, then you should have no problem with this dvd. If, however, you are the type who weigh all the moral aspects and background and character of the producer, then this dvd is not for you. It is always going to be like this for much of the footage of Michael Jackson.

This is a recurring theme on this forum that often causes discord: On one hand you have the people who want the books, snippets, footage, jokes, stories, gossip of Michael from any source possible. On the other hand you have those who want the same thing but are extremely particular of the sources and all their social, ethical, and moral standards play a big role before they buy.
 
Petrarose said:
This is a recurring theme on this forum that often causes discord: On one hand you have the people who want the books, snippets, footage, jokes, stories, gossip of Michael from any source possible. On the other hand you have those who want the same thing but are extremely particular of the sources and all their social, ethical, and moral standards play a big role before they buy.
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With all due respect, I think that you simplify these two positions. There is the area in between - people who are quite particular of the sources, but don't automatically equal "unauthorized by the Estate" with unethical or immoral.
 
I believe that Marc said it was a "misprint" or something to that effect when it was pointed out that this was not backed by the estate. And I remember this film and I also remember Marc going to Japan with Debbie to show this film overseas. Marc is an amoral backstabber and Debbie..
 
Re: don't buy this DVD about unauthorised documentary of michael jackson

StellaJackson said:
The footage is legally owned by March Schaffel, which is why it was released in Japan two years ago with no concerns from the Estate what so ever. He certainly isn't stealing anything and your theory that this sort of thing is stealing money from Michael's children, who will be multi millionaires when they are of age anyway, when there isn't a product of similar nature that is likely to take a hit from this is frankly absurd. It is no different from a television documentary or book about Michael, which is why anyone can make one perfectly legally.
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Who told you that the estate had no concerns? The fact that the law does not allow them to sue for documentaries and books does NOT mean that they were/are OK with it. In fact the documentary is marked as "unauthorised", which means that it does not have the Estate backing at all.

What's really absurd here is your short-sighted view of the big picture. the law as it is currently is somewhat flawed because it allows people of any kind to exploit MJ image and likeness through documentaries and books. Copyrights owners do not seem protected in this case, and therefore are losing a potential stream of revenue. It does NOT matter whether the kids are already gazillionaires. Still, the fact is that they are losing what could be a potent stream of income had the law been a bit more restrictive in terms of copyrights exploitation by unauthorized third parties through other mediums such as documentaries and books. No wonder the likes of Diane Diamond, the Casios, the Rabbi Shmuley, and many more are making a fortune by exploiting MJ through books and mokumentaries without compensating his Estate. That's because the law allows it and that is the sad part.
 
justnat said:
With all due respect, I think that you simplify these two positions. There is the area in between - people who are quite particular of the sources, but don't automatically equal "unauthorized by the Estate" with unethical or immoral.
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No one said Schaffel is unethical and immoral because his documentary is unauthorized by the Estate. He is unethical and immoral because of the things he did to Michael while he was alive. Some fans do have an issue with that, no matter how nice his latest documentary was.
 
I definitely support this documentary but I can't support every Estate product because of the way in which they've exploited Michael and his fans. People are free to make their own decisions about what to buy.
 
Petrarose said:
On the other hand you have those who want the same thing but are extremely particular of the sources and all their social, ethical, and moral standards play a big role before they buy.
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I don't think a fan is being 'extremely particular of the sources' when they make a decision to avoid supporting people who have accused michael jackson of being a p*dophile. I had thought it would be a mj fan's bottom line and the mj products that these people offer up would be seen as the very definition of 'exploitation' of mj and his fans, but reading some of the posts here i guess not.
 
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I will never support this theft. Michael had to put up with enough greedy leeches exploiting his hard work and ripping him off while he was alive. Now the same thing is happening to the children. Hell NO!
 
StellaJackson said:
I definitely support this documentary but I can't support every Estate product because of the way in which they've exploited Michael and his fans. People are free to make their own decisions about what to buy.
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And Marc Schaffel doesn't exploit Michael? Are you aware that he accused Michael of being a pedophile when Michael was alive? At least I never heard John Branca or John McClain do that.
 
justnat said:
With all due respect, I think that you simplify these two positions. There is the area in between - people who are quite particular of the sources, but don't automatically equal "unauthorized by the Estate" with unethical or immoral.
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Since we live in the world, there will always be an area in between. Simple because it is not discussed, does not mean that I am suggesting that it does not exist.

Bonnie and respect I agree with you.
 
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Bonnie Blue said:
I don't know, perhaps because schaffel who was nothing more than an amoral, professional swindler who was one of those who helped destroy mj's reputation. In his 06 lawsuit against mj his main tactic was to throw as much sleaze against mj as possible to blackmail mj into settling the case so he could leech even more money out of mj when he was at his most vulnerable and wounded after the 05 trial. Claiming in court and in the media that after the arvizo allegations were made, mj paid $300K to a south american family to keep quiet about a boy he had allegedly abused. He had absolutely no documentary evidence of this claim but you bet it fell on fertile ground a year after mj supposedly 'got off' the charges in the 05 trial.

So yes, i do get upset about people buying a documentary from a guy who accused mj of child molestation and who helped make his life a living hell, and who now changes his tune after mj's death when he sees a financial opportunity for making a positive video for fans. Personally, a documentary by matt fiddes wd be more appealing, at least he didn't say mj was a peodophile.
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I know about all that and I don't like Shaffel either. I'm just saying it's good documentary (and from the way the voiceover was done, looks like something Michael was working on before he found out what Marc is really about). It's easily available to download for free and IMO that's the best option to get it especially if you don't want to put any cash in Shaffel's pockets
 
@ mj_brainiac - i take your point.

I was just googling mrs j's latest interview to see if it had already aired and came up with media reports of interview on the 1st anniversary of mj's death in 2010. Hadn't realised that it was an interview which was sold ready-made as an exclusive to the tv network and was apparently produced by marc shaffel, who also appeared in the hour long special. I find it v hard to get my head round how mj's mother who strongly defended her son in the interview against all the false allegations could be in business partnership and sharing the profits of this lucrative interview with a man who was one of those who had made those vile accusations against her son. It's staggering really.
 
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Bonnie Blue said:
@ mj_brainiac - i take your point.

I was just googling mrs j's latest interview to see if it had already aired and came up with media reports of interview on the 1st anniversary of mj's death in 2010. Hadn't realised that it was an interview which was sold ready-made as an exclusive to the tv network and was apparently produced by marc shaffel, who also appeared in the hour long special. I find it v hard to get my head round how mj's mother who strongly defended her son in the interview against all the false allegations could be in business partnership and sharing the profits of this lucrative interview with a man who was one of those who had made those vile accusations against her son. It's staggering really.
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But that is the MO of grandma, Joe and company. They all can be found in business dealings with the same people who hated, cheated, maligned, and harmed Michael. Further, these business dealings are all exploitative of the son/brother. Of course some will say that is business.
 
28286574881@rogers.com said:
Daughter was excited to see this DVD yesterday at our Walmart, where my Hubby works, and watching it now and MICHAEL IS NOT EVEN IN IT ARRGHHH :(
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I think any post 09 dvd's and books should be looked at very carefully before one buys them. Sometimes I look at Amazon and see new publications and I have no idea who the authors are. It may be a good idea to research these authors and producers as well.
 
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