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Galactus123
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Is the Clinton photo from 2002 or 2003? Getty Images gives two dates for photos in which they appear and Michael has the same outfit. I assume the 2003 date is wrong.
mysterygirl7
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Why are they not talking about Bill Clinton, HE IS IN EVERY PICTURE!!!?????
mysterygirl7
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No, thanks, I don’t read that website……
mysterygirl7
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Yeah I feel the same about Chris Tucker…….
The on with MJ, Clinton and Diana Ross? I think it was 2002, after his last show at the Appolo Theater (so nothing to do with Epstein), and kids Mike and Paris, and Diana Ross' daughter.
I wonder why so much hate against Reddit. I discovered it relatively recently, initially as a replacement to StackOverflow which had become extremely toxic in its own ways, and as alternative to communities trying to bury their crowd in Discord (or Facebook). And since I discovered Reddit I feel like the Internet is most peaceful and helpful place, a better place... if you accept the fact that you will get opinions, wrongs answers, incomplete answers...
Now, I don't go on Reddit for politics (mostly for technical and "artistic" stuff, or goofy subreddits about posting only wrong/stupid answers or the worst possible dishes or things like that.)
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Im glad to see that people (on Reddit) have copped it that the photo is an absolute attempt by the White House to divert from that Orange clown.
Galactus123
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Yeah that one. I assumed the Apollo theatre date was correct too.
Here are the photos with different dates:
Michael Jackson is joined by former President Bill Clinton for "A...
Michael Jackson is joined by former President Bill Clinton for "A Night At The Apollo," a Democratic National Committee fundraiser at the Apollo Theater to kick off the "Every Vote Counts" national...
Singer/Songwriter Michael Jackson, his children children Michael...
Singer/Songwriter Michael Jackson, his children children Michael Joseph Jackson, Jr. and Paris Michael Katherine Jackson are photographed with President Bill Clinton, Diana Ross, and her son Evan...
No certainty but I think that the likelylhood that they both wore exactly the same clothes on two different events is weak.Yeah that one. I assumed the Apollo theatre date was correct too.
Here are the photos with different dates:
Michael Jackson is joined by former President Bill Clinton for "A...
Michael Jackson is joined by former President Bill Clinton for "A Night At The Apollo," a Democratic National Committee fundraiser at the Apollo Theater to kick off the "Every Vote Counts" national...www.gettyimages.fi
Singer/Songwriter Michael Jackson, his children children Michael...
Singer/Songwriter Michael Jackson, his children children Michael Joseph Jackson, Jr. and Paris Michael Katherine Jackson are photographed with President Bill Clinton, Diana Ross, and her son Evan...
And the second picture is reported to be a know picture from just after the Apollo Theatre show.
mysterygirl7
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Bill Clinton in a dress….. 
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I am utterly disgusted that MJ's name is being dragged through the mud again and that they're using him as a scapegoat. You know, you'd think after all these years, people would not be so gullible. It takes literal seconds to look up something and at least *attempt* to verify it. People forget Epstein used to be a financial advisor and that's why many celebrities met up with him. And the photos that are circulating now have been circulating for years, yet the media is framing them as "new evidence". I keep commenting on Tiktok and Youtube how the "unredacted" photos can be found online because they're taken at a fundraiser, not Epstein's island and all I hear is "MJ defenders are crazy".
Do you think there is a chance the MJ estate will get involved and say something about all this? Would be amazing if they sued, this is defamation and misinformation at its finest, but...I don't think they want to make huge waves? I don't even know at this point.
Do you think there is a chance the MJ estate will get involved and say something about all this? Would be amazing if they sued, this is defamation and misinformation at its finest, but...I don't think they want to make huge waves? I don't even know at this point.
someplace_else
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atm I think the best way for the Estate would be to do nothing. I mean... these pictures literally don't say anything at all. So why interfere? To make it go viral (even more)? Is it even going viral atm? I always find that hard to evaluate because the algorithm of course shows US hundreds of these postings, but that's because we're in that bubble. I am pretty sure in some days no one will talk about it anymore because there's nothing to talk about.
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I think you're right. I mean, I am from Romania, but because I love MJ so much and search him up a lot, my algorithms on social media are trained to show a lot of MJ related content. So to me it may appear like it's blowing up, but maybe it isn't. I think I would have liked for the issue of these photos not being related to Epstein's criminal activity to be corroborated in an official capacity, but like you said, it's probably best not to draw even more attention to them. It's so exhausting though, every time I feel like the tides are changing even *slightly* in a positive sense for MJ when it comes to the public's perception of him, something happens. I was literally hoping that with the new biopic coming out and the new Netflix documentary that Michael's image would be "cleansed" better, and now this happens. It feels like we *just* finished fending off the LN fiasco, and now people are using Michael to deflect from those who are actually incriminated.
someplace_else
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There are many involved people speaking up, like I said I am sure it will be over soon
mysterygirl7
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The ELEPHANT is Bill Clinton!!!!!!
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Thanks for clearing this up, so Diana Ross daughter was redacted….View attachment 8162View attachment 8163View attachment 8164
There are many involved people speaking up, like I said I am sure it will be over soon
Mister_Jay_Tee
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People who have to pay bills should have bigger things to worry about than if Michael Jackson shook hands with some weird guy or not.
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It was Diana Ross son, Evan Ross, and Paris and Prince who got redacted.
One part that I find a tiny bit disturbing is "Epstein wasn't famous back then"? Not know to the public OK. But he was hanging with the Clintons and many other celebrities but MJ had no clue who he was?
Though the strong point remains: they were visiting a house for sale on Palm Beach.
Also, I guess sorry for saying it was Diana's daughter, earlier.
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Mister_Jay_Tee
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He’s not famous now. He’s infamous.
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What makes this worse imo is that it's obvious the MJ thing was a distraction set up by Trump given that his press secretary shared that edited photo, and this is despite Trump and MJ being friendly with each other at one point. Just the fact that Trump would betray MJ like this all for the sake of distracting the masses is sickening.
mysterygirl7
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We don’t know if MJ knew who he was or not…. But I would say, that starting from the Invincible era MJ DID start to hang out with many new weird personalities, for instance, Rabbi Shmuley, Uri Geller, Chris Tucker (who I never thought was so funny and brilliant, as people have seem to indicate), Martin Bashir….
Nomatter if he was only there to look at his house, it doesn’t make me happy, that MJ even met the guy….
I Think Chris Tucker and again, the person who keeps going under the radar, BILL CLINTON, need to be interrogated!!!!!
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I don't think Chris Tucker knowingly did anything wrong. I think he was fooled into thinking those guys were decent people. He cut ties with them eventually.
I hope people realize that the same media talking about Epstein now, were singing him praises during that time period. How would chris have known? If he did eventually come to know it seems he distanced himself from those people.
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The problem is they are only calling it out because they hate trump. (and it would be vice versa if Kamala had won) not because they are genuinely upset on MJS behalf. And thats the problem, not enough people have empathy for Michael as a human being. None of those people genuinely care about what was done to him and is still being done to him.
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it really. I've always been neutral about trump (and all politicians) but did appreciate that he defended Michael
But now it turns out he's just like all the other people who stabbed Michael in the back.
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Michael was constantly being targeted by scammers and frauds. He literally had no way of knowing who was a friend and who was a foe.
Just put yourself in his shows. His own sister stabbed him in the back for fame and money.
That has to be traumatic and likely made him feel very alone and thus he was an easy target for these kinds of people. When you feel like the whole world is against you will latch on to anyone who shows you kindness and pretends to be your friend.
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I get the controversial issue of the photo with Andrew Windsor and Virginia Guiffre (with Maxwell Ghislaine), as he denied meeting VG after she named him from when she was being trafficked.
I don't really get the issue with a photo of any other famous person with Epstein unless there are accusations involved. Pre Me-Too movement, there were plenty of photos of Harvey Weinstein with the rich and famous. All such photos prove is that the rich and powerful mix in the same circles, I don't really see this as something groundbreaking, and I think it's to be somewhat expected. Unless someone has been accused/trafficked while being associated with Epstein, I struggle to see the relevance of such photos on their own.
From the amount of interest shown in such photos, you'd think they depict something far more sinister/graphic. I think there's some public gaslighting going on.
I don't really get the issue with a photo of any other famous person with Epstein unless there are accusations involved. Pre Me-Too movement, there were plenty of photos of Harvey Weinstein with the rich and famous. All such photos prove is that the rich and powerful mix in the same circles, I don't really see this as something groundbreaking, and I think it's to be somewhat expected. Unless someone has been accused/trafficked while being associated with Epstein, I struggle to see the relevance of such photos on their own.
From the amount of interest shown in such photos, you'd think they depict something far more sinister/graphic. I think there's some public gaslighting going on.
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It’s just the uncensored image on the MJ reddit! Don’t worry I wouldn’t link bad stuff here.
I know this feeling. Narcissist target vulnerable people in society…