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Do we know much about Rolling The Dice’s status? I’m pretty Michael stated it’s just a demo but honestly his rough demos are still gold! I’m pissed it wasn’t on T40!
So did the likes of Price Of Fame, Cheater and Throwing Your Life Away never make it to Westlake? Quincy and the "A Team" never worked on them?Michaels original idea was to record a triple disc but that was scrapped during the early stages of creating the Bad album. The songs listed are not finished songs, they’re demos that didn’t go beyond the versions we hear from that session. If they were true contenders for the album, most of them would have complete lyrics and properly mixed and mastered
It was recorded at Hayvenhurst but never considered excellent by anybody in the process. Just a lot of fake leaks online anyway.Do we know much about Rolling The Dice’s status? I’m pretty Michael stated it’s just a demo but honestly his rough demos are still gold! I’m pissed it wasn’t on T40!
So did the likes of Price Of Fame, Cheater and Throwing Your Life Away never make it to Westlake? Quincy and the "A Team" never worked on them?
That's interesting. Can I ask what your source is for all this information? I've never heard any of this beforeA lot of songs never made it to Westlake and some weren't recorded at Hayvenhurst either, Michael was just trying new sounds but they never got further than what we hear. Cheater isn't complete and Throwing Your Life Away isn't either. Price of Fame progressed further because it was supposed to be used for the Pepsi ad
That's interesting. Can I ask what your source is for all this information? I've never heard any of this before
Fair enough mate, I've always been curious with the process of making the Bad album.Engineers that were working on the album. John Barnes being one of them confirmed
Bad company .slipped away .somewhere in time unreleased songs
Fair enough mate, I've always been curious with the process of making the Bad album.
Hopefully John Cameron's next musicology episode will touch on the song selection process, it's always fascinated me how many songs Quincy "produced" for the album
Do we know much about Rolling The Dice’s status? I’m pretty Michael stated it’s just a demo but honestly his rough demos are still gold! I’m pissed it wasn’t on T40!
Not even MJ thought it was good enough lol, it probably isn't a good song to begin with.Not much is known besides it being the first song Rod played Michael for Thriller.....Michael recorded it in one take and liked it but like Hot Street, Quincy didn't think it was strong enough.
If MJ thought The Toy was better than most Thriller songs, than we don't know anything about his good Rolling The Dice was. It was probably at least Off The Wall tier.Not even MJ thought it was good enough lol, it probably isn't a good song to begin with.
I just think that the chances of it not being a good song is higher than it is being because for him to record it once, agree along with producers that it's not good enough for Thriller and to never think of the song again possibly means that the song isn't good. Yeah, sure, there are songs that MJ recorded and didn't work on them further but it was due to several reasons like saving the song for another album, not being satisfied with its current state, being unable to record it and all of that but it was rarely due to him thinking the song was bad. So that speaks volumes about the quality of song.If MJ thought The Toy was better than most Thriller songs, than we don't know anything about his good Rolling The Dice was. It was probably at least Off The Wall tier.
Well, he never said it was "bad", right?. Just not strong enough. And he thought that many times about decent songs, by the time of Bad he actively chafed at Rod Temperton's songs, like he didn't think Groove of Midnight was much to write about and that's pretty pleasant as a tune. I think as a point, MJ just wanted to make hard tunes that would knock you off your feet. No more feel good party stuff per day. But you still got PYT and Baby Be Mine for those cases.I just think that the chances of it not being a good song is higher than it is being because for him to record it once, agree along with producers that it's not good enough for Thriller and to never think of the song again possibly means that the song isn't good. Yeah, sure, there are songs that MJ recorded and didn't work on them further but it was due to several reasons like saving the song for another album, not being satisfied with its current state, being unable to record it and all of that but it was rarely due to him thinking the song was bad. So that speaks volumes about the quality of song.
He worked on the songs multiple times before he gave up on them though, like Family Thing, Faces, Serious Effect, Blue Gangsta and others. For Rolling The Dice MJ didn't even bother finishing up the demo or working on it again like he did with Nite Line and She's Trouble (which understandably also aren't good enough for an album like Thriller lol) before he gave up on it entirely. It's probably a weaker song than these 2 or some other finished reject from Thriller.Well, he never said it was "bad", right?. Just not strong enough. And he thought that many times about decent songs
You are right there is also 1993 deposition songs no one know about themI just realized that Dream Away was worked only once and it's still a good song so that invalidates my argument completely lmao
Yeah, I was about to say, sometimes he just didn't go back to other people's songs like that lol.I just realized that Dream Away was worked only once and it's still a good song so that invalidates my argument completely lmao
I just realized that Dream Away was worked only once and it's still a good song so that invalidates my argument completely lmao
I just think that the chances of it not being a good song is higher than it is being because for him to record it once, agree along with producers that it's not good enough for Thriller and to never think of the song again possibly means that the song isn't good. Yeah, sure, there are songs that MJ recorded and didn't work on them further but it was due to several reasons like saving the song for another album, not being satisfied with its current state, being unable to record it and all of that but it was rarely due to him thinking the song was bad. So that speaks volumes about the quality of song.
If MJ thought The Toy was better than most Thriller songs, than we don't know anything about his good Rolling The Dice was. It was probably at least Off The Wall tier.
I wanna read this deposition. Mj in court in 84...I wish it was footage of that!"Jackson named other songs he had written that he feels are 'just as strong or stronger than the stuff that was on the Thriller album,' including The Toy. 'Quincy wanted me to write a song for the movie with Richard Pryor, The Toy and it got too close to me doing Thriller. So I canned it, but I did write the song and I did a demo of The Toy.'" -- From Michael's 1984 Chicago Deposition.
From the Xscape album liner notes:There’s plenty of songs he didn’t revisit but it doesn’t mean they’re bad, just means they’re not in the same realm of the album he’s working on.
Michael said he would start writing a song and he’ll get ideas and start writing another one and he’ll discard the previous one because he’s excited about the next one
I like TGIM as a solo version but I wouldn't want The Toy on Thriller.....that was probably the song he was referencing The Toy as being better thanTbh the Toy is better than The Girl is Mine. That's definitely one song it's better than.
There are several other reasons as to why Michael Jackson recorded certain songs but he did not include them on his albums.
Keep in mind that he was primarily a hits-oriented artist, which means that he wanted to include potential hits on his albums.
So, in the end, the selection of songs for the final track list came down mainly to that criterion.
Or, on other instances, certain songs could not be included on an album due to contractual/royalties disputes.
For example, although he recorded the 'Behind The Mask' cover song by even adding additional lyrical and melodic elements to it, royalties disputes with Yellow Magic Orchestra's management did not allow the inclusion of it on his 'Thriller' album.