The Vindicating Michael blog is very good on the allegations, the trial, media misrepresentation etc. Helena has done a huge amount of work, there is a ton of stuff to get through, not all of it easy to read. There are several other blogs that did the same thing. Some of them are now inactive but they retain a vital presence on the web so people can continue to access this important information. On Helena's home page she provides links to the main blogs or you can easily Google this stuff. All of these blogs have done invaluable work on this difficult part of Michael's life. I would recommend looking at several of the blogs, they are all good, they all have something to offer.
Helena would basically say "That's different," and say that "real, reasonable gay people are offended by the 'super gays' of today that go around and flaunt everything in our faces and influence children into depravity. That 'this is not what we wanted when we wanted our rights.'" And she also did a lot of the typical anti-Kinsey talking points as well, years ago. (I'm surprised she hasn't brought up the tragedy of David Reimer yet, a typical response transphobes use to co-opt for their talking points.)
I dont want to turn this into a political issue, but we need more people on the left to be vocal about MJ's innocence and defind him the same way they defended Johnny Depp. I unfortunately think that because of #metoo, theres a taboo twoards questioning accusers because I've seen MJ fans being accused of gaslighting and victim blaming when we point out critical inconsistencies in the 1993 accusations and the 2005 trial.
Well, there were a lot of left-of-center people on Vindicating Michael in the beginning. Helena basically drove them away, because she can't handle being called out for her culture war attacks, even saying, "If I'm getting this much pushback, I'm on the right track, because I'm shaking all of you monsters loose and bringing you into the light. You're here to stop me at all costs."
I am the Helena you allegedly know and I am the admin of Vindicating Michael blog. Let me state that you have NEVER been “the main writer” for the blog, not to mention being its “owner” or “creator”. You have NEVER been part of the team that has written for the blog since its inception in 2009. The most you did was write comments on my blog posts and continuously attack me with your straw man arguments (repeated here too).
I certainly did not expect to have flushed you out, Helena. I definitely thought you would never come here.
).Again the mysterious “we”. As far as I can see you are new to this community too and have not done a single bit of good to MJ and his legacy. So why do you take it upon yourself to speak for everybody and are driving me away? In fact, the attacks on me started when I began raising Geffen and his mafia, so should I understand your dogged campaign against me as a sign that I am on the right track? It looks like it. When Geffen wanted to get rid of Donna Summer he used exactly the same method – rumors, innuendos, smear, slander and accusations of things she never did or said.
I forget to leave my last message to you as a direct "reply" on the forum.You certainly didn’t, and this is why you are telling so many lies behind my back. Only God knows where else you are trashing my name too. I don’t follow any chats but I do come here occasionally to see what’s new in the world of Michael Jackson, so this is how I learned about your widespread activity against me.
Really? I hear of it for the first time. Could you give me a name by which I could identify you as someone “cheering me for many years”? Especially since you are supposed to be “chief” among these people?
I really never said those exact words and there is no need to read between the lines in my writings – I always state everything directly. So let me sort out the truth from lies here too.
1) It was Michael Jackson who blamed the Gay mafia and specifically Geffen for ruining his career, and not me. I only found the evidence that Michael did say it and that he was right.
2) Michael never accused ordinary gays of anything at all and it never occurred to me to accuse them of anything either.
3) Mafia is called mafia because it is a separate entity which is apart from the rest of the population who have no idea what their mafia is up to.
4) I never said that gays “hold all the power and control everything” but I did say that GEFFEN enjoyed enormous power in Hollywood, the media and later in Washington. When Geffen first approached Hollywood Paul Rothchild noted that “sharks have entered the lagoon”. Geffen is considered the creator of the new Hollywood, so what was still not publicly accepted outside Hollywood, was rampant inside it long ago. See “Why Being "Gay in the '70s in New York and L.A. Was Magic" written by Howard Rosenman, for example:
There was a powerful network of older successful gay men who introduced younger gay men to successful showbiz types at their beautiful apartment…. there was a giant burst of freedom in NYC … which spread to L.A. and San Francisco. Gays were leading the edge of the culture from 1969 to about 1983, when AIDS stopped it all.
To be gay in the '70s in New York and L.A. was sheer magic. There emerged a whole layer of gay network executives, writers, studio executives and agents. Jon Epstein, a very successful TV producer, threw the best gay parties in L.A. where I met all of gay Hollywood. There was also the not-fabulous and dreaded and mean Allan Carr who had famous nude "wrestling" parties with underage boys. All the cognoscenti knew about each other and it wasn't secretive or shameful, but there was a code that no one spoke publicly about it— the press never wrote about it. If I wasn't gay, I never would have had the career that I have.
The above means that while ordinary gays could indeed have some sad and even tragic experiences in their lives the mafia in Hollywood was thoroughly enjoying themselves. In fact, they even had wrestling parties with underage boys, same as Bryan Singer later had pool parties with very young men, including teenagers (the photos are available on the Internet). And speaking of the difference then and now Hugh Jackman said just a couple of months ago that director Bryan Singer’s behavior on X-Men ‘would not happen now’, meaning that “before” was much worse than “now”.
It is insanity to deny that there is a huge academia lobby that has been trying to normalize pedophilia since times immemorial. The Vindicating Michael blog has a big number of posts in the «Fight pedophilia!» category about some university professors who promoted a book written by a convicted pedophile Tom O’Carroll (about MJ) and recommended it for “family reading”. One of them, William A. Persy, gave the following sympathetic advice to pedophiles to speed up the process of their acceptance by society:
“I have been trying to convince the NAMBLA people for years that they should argue for an age of 14 or 15, something that people could see as a little more reasonable,” says William A. Percy, a professor of history at UMass/Boston and the author of Pederasty and Pedagogy in Archaic Greece. “But won’t listen to ideas of compromise… such a stance — with its implication that a prepubescent child can consent to sex — was political suicide.”
And the above is just a fraction of how certain academics used to promote pedophilia even during MJ’s times. And it was actually a glaring contrast between the vicious campaign against an innocent man and a long list of academic studies condoning pedophilia at exactly the same time that led me to a conclusion that smearing Jackson was deliberate and was used by real pedophiles as a smokescreen to covertly promote their agenda while everyone was looking the other way.
Yes, they exist. If trans people are grown-ups, they can do whatever they like if they think that it may help. But if they are children and adolescents, who from the point of view of their brain development are not adults until their mid-twenties, they cannot and neuroscience proves it!
There have been reports about 12-year old girls having – no, not hysterectomies - but their breasts removed, however even that is not the point. Administering to kids as little as puberty blockers is already disturbing their endocrine system and hinders their normal development. And cross-sex hormones create a perfect hormone storm which affects and damages everything in their system.
And kids and adolescents cannot give "informed consent" because their brain is simply not ready for it as its higher cognitive abilities are not developed yet (like planning, cause and effect, prioritizing, social behavior and even correct interpretation of other people’s intentions). This fine-tuning of the brain is complete only by mid-twenties.
The above is akin to a proverbial straw man argument “When did you stop beating your wife?” (never stopped, never beaten and not a wife
I mean that I never decided to study (or not to study) America. Studying America came naturally to me, when I found myself examining the allegations against Michael Jackson almost 14 years ago, and in doing so had to go into such depths that in some areas I know your country even better than Americans themselves. And a bonus to my studies is that some things are better seen from afar.
Have I? So where are these people rehabilitating Michael's image now? Or are they simply tired of having to do it for so long?
The above is rather interesting. First of all, who are these mysterious “us”?
And what work have you personally done to prove Michael Jackson’s innocence?
Where is your research?
I’ve done my share of it for the past 13+ years, and was not seeking any special support from anyone. And I’ve been doing it solely for the sake of establishing the truth and rehabilitating Michael Jackson’s good name, really good name, and would have done it no matter what, even if no one had ever supported me.
But where is your research? Can I have a link to your unique findings, please? And not just to your paying lip service to him, which is done - surprise-surprise - even by pedophiles who consider him to be "one of them".
What I mean is that it is absolutely not enough to claim to be supportive of Michael Jackson - these days people may imply just anything by it.
What really matters is your work to prove his innocence and telling the truth to his doubters.
Alternate accounts are usually used by people who want to create the impression that they are not one but many who think the same way. Sometimes these multiple accounts are used for making a dialog or a whole discussion between the many facets of one and the same person. So this method is illegal or at least underhanded and misleading. And I am sorry if I betrayed so many facets of “you”.
What a pile of bullshit! (excuse my French) Given that I come from a country where freedom of speech is heavily suppressed I made it a special point to allow everyone, except pedophiles, to speak freely in the blog. And there is a short number of rules to follow there, one of which is to never use the P-word with Michael Jackson's name.
Again the mysterious “we”. As far as I can see you are new to this community too and have not done a single bit of good to MJ and his legacy. So why do you take it upon yourself to speak for everybody and are driving me away? In fact, the attacks on me started when I began raising Geffen and his mafia, so should I understand your dogged campaign against me as a sign that I am on the right track? It looks like it. When Geffen wanted to get rid of Donna Summer he used exactly the same method – rumors, innuendos, smear, slander and accusations of things she never did or said.
There is much more to say regarding your long message, but I am never patient enough to answer all of it. However one thing is super important to mention.
Yes. Glory to Ukraine and its heroic people! They are fighting for you, me and all peoples of the world. For the good of all humanity. Ukraine is destined to become the new driving force in a democratic world. And you will still see it happen.
www.mjjcommunity.com
Oh, and for what it's worth, Helena, you might like this Vanity Fair piece on Geffen from March 1991. It doesn't say things we don't already know, but it's more interesting in terms of the story he's always told about himself, that people are willing to believe: https://archive.vanityfair.com/article/1991/3/david-is-goliathYou certainly didn’t, and this is why you are telling so many lies behind my back. Only God knows where else you are trashing my name too. I don’t follow any chats but I do come here occasionally to see what’s new in the world of Michael Jackson, so this is how I learned about your widespread activity against me.
Really? I hear of it for the first time. Could you give me a name by which I could identify you as someone “cheering me for many years”? Especially since you are supposed to be “chief” among these people?
I really never said those exact words and there is no need to read between the lines in my writings – I always state everything directly. So let me sort out the truth from lies here too.
1) It was Michael Jackson who blamed the Gay mafia and specifically Geffen for ruining his career, and not me. I only found the evidence that Michael did say it and that he was right.
2) Michael never accused ordinary gays of anything at all and it never occurred to me to accuse them of anything either.
3) Mafia is called mafia because it is a separate entity which is apart from the rest of the population who have no idea what their mafia is up to.
4) I never said that gays “hold all the power and control everything” but I did say that GEFFEN enjoyed enormous power in Hollywood, the media and later in Washington. When Geffen first approached Hollywood Paul Rothchild noted that “sharks have entered the lagoon”. Geffen is considered the creator of the new Hollywood, so what was still not publicly accepted outside Hollywood, was rampant inside it long ago. See “Why Being "Gay in the '70s in New York and L.A. Was Magic" written by Howard Rosenman, for example:
There was a powerful network of older successful gay men who introduced younger gay men to successful showbiz types at their beautiful apartment…. there was a giant burst of freedom in NYC … which spread to L.A. and San Francisco. Gays were leading the edge of the culture from 1969 to about 1983, when AIDS stopped it all.
To be gay in the '70s in New York and L.A. was sheer magic. There emerged a whole layer of gay network executives, writers, studio executives and agents. Jon Epstein, a very successful TV producer, threw the best gay parties in L.A. where I met all of gay Hollywood. There was also the not-fabulous and dreaded and mean Allan Carr who had famous nude "wrestling" parties with underage boys. All the cognoscenti knew about each other and it wasn't secretive or shameful, but there was a code that no one spoke publicly about it— the press never wrote about it. If I wasn't gay, I never would have had the career that I have.
The above means that while ordinary gays could indeed have some sad and even tragic experiences in their lives the mafia in Hollywood was thoroughly enjoying themselves. In fact, they even had wrestling parties with underage boys, same as Bryan Singer later had pool parties with very young men, including teenagers (the photos are available on the Internet). And speaking of the difference then and now Hugh Jackman said just a couple of months ago that director Bryan Singer’s behavior on X-Men ‘would not happen now’, meaning that “before” was much worse than “now”.
It is insanity to deny that there is a huge academia lobby that has been trying to normalize pedophilia since times immemorial. The Vindicating Michael blog has a big number of posts in the «Fight pedophilia!» category about some university professors who promoted a book written by a convicted pedophile Tom O’Carroll (about MJ) and recommended it for “family reading”. One of them, William A. Persy, gave the following sympathetic advice to pedophiles to speed up the process of their acceptance by society:
“I have been trying to convince the NAMBLA people for years that they should argue for an age of 14 or 15, something that people could see as a little more reasonable,” says William A. Percy, a professor of history at UMass/Boston and the author of Pederasty and Pedagogy in Archaic Greece. “But won’t listen to ideas of compromise… such a stance — with its implication that a prepubescent child can consent to sex — was political suicide.”
And the above is just a fraction of how certain academics used to promote pedophilia even during MJ’s times. And it was actually a glaring contrast between the vicious campaign against an innocent man and a long list of academic studies condoning pedophilia at exactly the same time that led me to a conclusion that smearing Jackson was deliberate and was used by real pedophiles as a smokescreen to covertly promote their agenda while everyone was looking the other way.
Yes, they exist. If trans people are grown-ups, they can do whatever they like if they think that it may help. But if they are children and adolescents, who from the point of view of their brain development are not adults until their mid-twenties, they cannot and neuroscience proves it!
There have been reports about 12-year old girls having – no, not hysterectomies - but their breasts removed, however even that is not the point. Administering to kids as little as puberty blockers is already disturbing their endocrine system and hinders their normal development. And cross-sex hormones create a perfect hormone storm which affects and damages everything in their system.
And kids and adolescents cannot give "informed consent" because their brain is simply not ready for it as its higher cognitive abilities are not developed yet (like planning, cause and effect, prioritizing, social behavior and even correct interpretation of other people’s intentions). This fine-tuning of the brain is complete only by mid-twenties.
The above is akin to a proverbial straw man argument “When did you stop beating your wife?” (never stopped, never beaten and not a wife
I mean that I never decided to study (or not to study) America. Studying America came naturally to me, when I found myself examining the allegations against Michael Jackson almost 14 years ago, and in doing so had to go into such depths that in some areas I know your country even better than Americans themselves. And a bonus to my studies is that some things are better seen from afar.
Have I? So where are these people rehabilitating Michael's image now? Or are they simply tired of having to do it for so long?
The above is rather interesting. First of all, who are these mysterious “us”?
And what work have you personally done to prove Michael Jackson’s innocence?
Where is your research?
I’ve done my share of it for the past 13+ years, and was not seeking any special support from anyone. And I’ve been doing it solely for the sake of establishing the truth and rehabilitating Michael Jackson’s good name, really good name, and would have done it no matter what, even if no one had ever supported me.
But where is your research? Can I have a link to your unique findings, please? And not just to your paying lip service to him, which is done - surprise-surprise - even by pedophiles who consider him to be "one of them".
What I mean is that it is absolutely not enough to claim to be supportive of Michael Jackson - these days people may imply just anything by it.
What really matters is your work to prove his innocence and telling the truth to his doubters.
Alternate accounts are usually used by people who want to create the impression that they are not one but many who think the same way. Sometimes these multiple accounts are used for making a dialog or a whole discussion between the many facets of one and the same person. So this method is illegal or at least underhanded and misleading. And I am sorry if I betrayed so many facets of “you”.
What a pile of bullshit! (excuse my French) Given that I come from a country where freedom of speech is heavily suppressed I made it a special point to allow everyone, except pedophiles, to speak freely in the blog. And there is a short number of rules to follow there, one of which is to never use the P-word with Michael Jackson's name.
Again the mysterious “we”. As far as I can see you are new to this community too and have not done a single bit of good to MJ and his legacy. So why do you take it upon yourself to speak for everybody and are driving me away? In fact, the attacks on me started when I began raising Geffen and his mafia, so should I understand your dogged campaign against me as a sign that I am on the right track? It looks like it. When Geffen wanted to get rid of Donna Summer he used exactly the same method – rumors, innuendos, smear, slander and accusations of things she never did or said.
There is much more to say regarding your long message, but I am never patient enough to answer all of it. However one thing is super important to mention.
Yes. Glory to Ukraine and its heroic people! They are fighting for you, me and all peoples of the world. For the good of all humanity. Ukraine is destined to become the new driving force in a democratic world. And you will still see it happen.
Michael is loving kindness. He is a beautiful person with a giving heart.
He was also friends with Eddie Murphy, who was bi and I think even had a crush on Michael at one time. Paris Jackson also said that Michael once teased her about liking Beyoncé as a little kid.
