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Is there proof that Sony tried manipulating the 2005 trial to get a conviction?

daisy said:
So these masters did not end up in estate? Shoudn't they?
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I have no idea if anything has happened with the masters yet. Unfortunately thats up to Sony and Branca. I bet you they will stay with Sony.

smoothcriminal12 said:
Is we suggesting that Sony murdered Michael with the intention of stopping him from getting his masters, but instead of taking him out directly they knew that he had a former drug problem and hired Conrad to administer drugs to him so that they could rid of Michael?
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I believe Sony wanted to keep MJs masters and ATV catalogue with Sony yes as Michael was going to take what is rightfully his and leave. A Dr is the perfect killer. Drug dealers go to jail for supplying drugs and Dr get paid to do it. Its the perfect cover up. Its also been a long time in the making IMO.
 
Dangerous Incorporated said:
I have no idea if anything has happened with the masters yet. Unfortunately thats up to Sony and Branca. I bet you they will stay with Sony.



I believe Sony wanted to keep MJs masters and ATV catalogue with Sony yes as Michael was going to take what is rightfully his and leave. A Dr is the perfect killer. Drug dealers go to jail for supplying drugs and Dr get paid to do it. Its the perfect cover up. Its also been a long time in the making IMO.
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it would be interesting to find whether indeed some initial agreements were made about the take-over of the masters - I imagine that would need some preparations, legal work etc. And that would need to be handled by Branca, if Michael hired him.

then, I am wondering, if this is not with the estate - what are the reasons for this? This was about money - about royalties not being shared anymore btw Michael and Sony. SO this is about the estate.
 
Dangerous Incorporated said:
Remember Mottola being on TV shortly after MJ died reminding everyone that Sony has hundreds of unreleased MJ tracks that they can release (make money off of)?
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BTW look at the date that Mottola is on TV, July 7 2009, the dayof MJ's memorial and the day he was supposed to get his masters back. It's as if he is appearing on TV to say without saying, "We got the job done." What a snake!
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[considers himself the Gate keeper of Jackson's catalog]
Can't he be more obvious? And Lauer's an ignorant for not knowing or asking Mottola about him being fired because of his feud with MJ.

Was this really on July 7th? I don't see a date.
 
Go to the youtube website for the video and it has the date of July 7 2009. 7 Years after 2002 Sony contract was signed/Will, and day of Memorial.
 
Yes, I know but isn't this the upload date? It might've have aired before 7/7 and was uploaded ON 7/7. Just trying to find out if Mottola was really on TV on the day of Michael's funeral. I couldn't find any archives for the Today show to verify the date.

And I don't know if you noticed but this video was uploaded on (by?) Mottola's wife's channel.
 
Dangerous Incorporated said:
Go to the youtube website for the video and it has the date of July 7 2009. 7 Years after 2002 Sony contract was signed/Will, and day of Memorial.
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Why are they making it SO obvious?

This is getting ridiculous. Like they're going out there and saying "This is exactly how we did it".
 
riviera1992 said:
[considers himself the Gate keeper of Jackson's catalog]
Can't he be more obvious? And Lauer's an ignorant for not knowing or asking Mottola about him being fired because of his feud with MJ.

Was this really on July 7th? I don't see a date.
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The *gate keeper* did someone notice Mottola's reaction when the interviewer said it!!

riviera1992 said:
Yes, I know but isn't this the upload date? It might've have aired before 7/7 and was uploaded ON 7/7. Just trying to find out if Mottola was really on TV on the day of Michael's funeral. I couldn't find any archives for the Today show to verify the date.

And I don't know if you noticed but this video was uploaded on (by?) Mottola's wife's channel.
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Mottola's wife Thalia ...humm interesting
 
Mottola apparently has had some personal money problems - perhaps just cash flow, I am guessing -
he recently sold this fancy home in Nov. 2008:

http://www.luxist.com/tag/neverland ranch/

--Tommy Mottola has finally sold his North Salem, New York home for $15 million. It was listed at $21 million when it was an estate of the day in 2006.

http://www.luxist.com/2006/07/02/tommy-mottolas-home-estate-of-the-day/
Tommy Mottola's Home, Estate of the Day

by Deidre Woollard (RSS feed) Jul 2nd 2006 at 1:01PM


I did see that interview at the time, I thought it was longer - but maybe I'm wrong.

 
Is this the home he lived in when he was married to Mariah Carey?
 
Maria MJ said:
Why are they making it SO obvious?

This is getting ridiculous. Like they're going out there and saying "This is exactly how we did it".
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Excerpt from The trials of Michael Jackson

[Mottola was in thrall to the man who promoted and protected him, Norio Ohga. And Ohga along with Morita, required Mottola's contribution to the bigger picture.]

IMO, Mottola's appearance on the Today show was to send the message to his masters that he had delivered the goods.

Hence the not so subtle smirk when Lauer said "Gatekeeper"

BTW, I was reading the book on Jetzi and it goes only to page 100 or so, where can I read the rest?
 
riviera1992 said:
So how is he still connected with Sony/and the cat?

http://tinyurl.com/y9pwl5o
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Via his partner in crime Branca probably. Branca now suddenly is control of Michael's share of the catalogue and can sell it if he wants. Im waiting for Sept to see what happens with the renewal. I really hope Im wrong and that nothing happens to it. Im surprised we havent heard about Michael masters either.

I bet you Branca and Mottola have a plan for it. Dileo is also on the board of Sony/ATV.
 
Hi guys, i must admit I'm not fully bought by all that has been discussed but I do think that if your findings carry on the momentum then you could be onto something.

Does anyone have contact with Randy Jackson through twitter http://twitter.com/randyjackson8 ?? Has anyone managed to get through to him to even ask if any of which has been discussed might even be something that the Jacksons are already working on?
I could be way off the mark, but during the trial this board did alot to I think help in some way, and if there is just any chance that any of this carries any weight then it should be investigated in the same way.....maybe some of you already are well into it???
MJ once said during the trial "Lies run sprints, but the truth runs marathons". If there was foul play, those involved should be sure to know that the truth will win....AGAIN!
 
This thread is one of the more interesting and well-structured ones on this forum right now, and provides a lot of (seemingly, mostly) factual information that I believe most fans are not aware of. I wasn't, in any case...

I personally wouldn't be so rash to immediately jump to a "Sony killed MJ" conclusion, but the articles, interviews and videos collected here show that they would definitely benefit from his death in a major way. And the fact that MJ would gain possession of his masters in july 2009 is a very interesting coincidence... to say the least.

IF MJ signed any contracts in 2002 regarding the release of his masters, then surely there must be records of this, no? I don't know how this kind of stuff works in the US, but wouldn't these kind of agreements be publicly accessible? I'm just thinking about the potential worth of something like the masters to Michael Jackson's solo albums... The potential financial gains for whoever holds them would be enormous, so shouldn't members of the media, for example, be allowed to look at these kind of contracts? Not necessarily at the exact sums of money involved (if those are even mentioned), but at who gains ownership and when? It's just a thought.
 
girl24 said:
Is this the home he lived in when he was married to Mariah Carey?
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I wouldn't know - but it looks like a $6 million dollar loss to me at least. That was right after the economy crashed in Sept. You wouldn't sell if you didn't have to IMO. Wonder how much money trouble Dileo, Katz, Branca & Motolla have been having in the last few years. Hmmmmm.
 
APOM said:
This thread is one of the more interesting and well-structured ones on this forum right now, and provides a lot of (seemingly, mostly) factual information that I believe most fans are not aware of. I wasn't, in any case...

I personally wouldn't be so rash to immediately jump to a "Sony killed MJ" conclusion, but the articles, interviews and videos collected here show that they would definitely benefit from his death in a major way. And the fact that MJ would gain possession of his masters in july 2009 is a very interesting coincidence... to say the least.

IF MJ signed any contracts in 2002 regarding the release of his masters, then surely there must be records of this, no? I don't know how this kind of stuff works in the US, but wouldn't these kind of agreements be publicly accessible? I'm just thinking about the potential worth of something like the masters to Michael Jackson's solo albums... The potential financial gains for whoever holds them would be enormous, so shouldn't members of the media, for example, be allowed to look at these kind of contracts? Not necessarily at the exact sums of money involved (if those are even mentioned), but at who gains ownership and when? It's just a thought.
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This excerpt from Lynton's book hasn't been posted yet but it's relevant. After reading up to 100 pages of his book, one can really see this guy was well connected and pretty much truthful.

[If Sony tried to get rid of Jackson, the terms of the contract between the parties meant that a messy legal case which would cost Sony dearly,because of his Dunkirk clause, would ensue. Worst than that, from Sony's point of view, was the possibility of Jackson removing the mechanical copyright of his recordings from Sony's control if they made any mistake. At a stroke, a guarantied revenue stream stretching way into the future would be under threat. So those at Sony had to find a way to rid the company of Jackson but keep hold of the rights to his recordings. There was also the matter of Sony ATV, in which the Japenese were determined to acquire a controlling interest. Even Norio Ohga could not have envisaged it would take ten years, a high profile criminal trial and the personal destruction of one of music's greatest ever talents before the objective was finally realised.]


It's really sickening what our beloved Michael had to endure to get his message out to the masses.
 
riviera1992 said:
Even Norio Ohga could not have envisaged it would take ten years, a high profile criminal trial and the personal destruction of one of music's greatest ever talents before the objective was finally realised.]
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And this is all exactly what Ive been saying. If Michael got his masters back, he would also soon have the complete ATV catalogue back and Michael would have been gone from Sony. This would have been a billion dollar loss for Sony......so they killed Michael.
 
I agree with APOM-there must be documentation of Michael's contract to get his rights back in July 2009 and we need to find it.
Are we looking for the renewal of his Sony contract for 65 mil.in the 90s?
 
Dangerous Incorporated said:
And this is all exactly what Ive been saying. If Michael got his masters back, he would also soon have the complete ATV catalogue back and Michael would have been gone from Sony. This would have been a billion dollar loss for Sony......so they killed Michael.
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We need to find out if the masters went to the estate or if they went to Sony when Michael died. This is REALLY important. I think you might be right, DI. I am glad we are anonymous on this board. I am keeping my opinions on this to the IU subforum. I have a really bad feeling about this whole thing.
 
For those interested, more pages to Lynton's book have been added.

http://jetzi-mjvideo.com/books/trials/trials150.html

[both (Sony and Fortress) wanted Michael Jackson by the balls.This was the end game.........the Japenese didn't even have to shell out any cash immediately, they could exercise their option at anytime of their choosing up to 2009.]

page 149 and 150 really shows how Fortress (a hedge fund) managed to squeeze the extra 25% of Sony/ATV from Michael.

They had raised interests and finances charges so high, that it caused Michael to not be able to come up with the payment and when he tried to restructure his loan they still wanted an outrageous 20%.


Also CONNECTION between SONY/AEG through The Da Vinci Code movie

http://jetzi-mjvideo.com/books/trials/trials174.html

Aside from Lynton's blind trust of Halperin, his book his pretty well researched and I wish he could help us out with our investigation.
 
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callmerose said:
We need to find out if the masters went to the estate or if they went to Sony when Michael died. This is REALLY important. I think you might be right, DI. I am glad we are anonymous on this board. I am keeping my opinions on this to the IU subforum. I have a really bad feeling about this whole thing.
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omg yes I think it is! :unsure:

:mello:

hey guys! I'm killing myself here trying to understand everything. but english is not my language so it's even harder!
god that stuff is no joke, huh? :mello:

I need to undertand why Michael didnt let all that sh*t go!! why? :mello: if he knew it was dangerous for him (and of course he did) why would he want to keep that (catologues...)?
do you guys understand what I'm saying??
his safety and his life is more important than that!! isnt it? :no:

I think MJ played with fire when he talked about Mottola/Mariah, all that "sony sucks" and the "Mottola is evil" stuff. I think it was a very dangerous thing to do! It's just my opinion.
 
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i have read Lynton Guest's book, and it ends with Michael owning only 50% of his 50%, or 25% of the whole thing. and he says Michael does not sit on the board anymore. as far as i know, though, he still owns 50%...is that right? isn't that why Dileo is on the board representing him?

and if he does, i think that's cause for us to believe that Sony failed and once again, MJ had been able to out-think them. the book says Sony encouraged the addition of more loans, hoping Michael would default - and Sony had first refusal rights with Fortress. but why did Sony not exercise this right, and why did it send 2 of its executives to Bahrain to "help" Michael with a refinancing scheme (from an article I read)? eventually, the scheme led to Branca's sale of his 2.5% to Michael...where did Branca's 2.5% come from if Sony and MJ had 50% each...and does this mean that Michael actually owns 52.5%?
 
mj_forever said:
i have read Lynton Guest's book, and it ends with Michael owning only 50% of his 50%, or 25% of the whole thing. and he says Michael does not sit on the board anymore. as far as i know, though, he still owns 50%...is that right? isn't that why Dileo is on the board representing him?

and if he does, i think that's cause for us to believe that Sony failed and once again, MJ had been able to out-think them. the book says Sony encouraged the addition of more loans, hoping Michael would default - and Sony had first refusal rights with Fortress. but why did Sony not exercise this right, and why did it send 2 of its executives to Bahrain to "help" Michael with a refinancing scheme (from an article I read)? eventually, the scheme led to Branca's sale of his 2.5% to Michael...where did Branca's 2.5% come from if Sony and MJ had 50% each...and does this mean that Michael actually owns 52.5%?
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Well, the whole thing is very complicated.

Lynton write at some point that in Taraborelli's book, his info about the contract wasn't all accurate.
He says something like " RT's source, obviously, has not seen the contract".

Lynton says his friend Paul Russell HAD seen the contract and told him about it, I'm more inclined to believe that Michael owned only 25% in the end. But who knows?

Lynton also said that Paul Russell had been threatened and had been told to stop talking about the contract.

Has Russell ever wrote or say something in an article somewhere? I sure would like to read about it.

How can we get Guests and Russell emails?
 
riviera1992 said:
For those interested, more pages to Lynton's book have been added.

http://jetzi-mjvideo.com/books/trials/trials150.html

[both (Sony and Fortress) wanted Michael Jackson by the balls.This was the end game.........the Japenese didn't even have to shell out any cash immediately, they could exercise their option at anytime of their choosing up to 2009.]

page 149 and 150 really shows how Fortress (a hedge fund) managed to squeeze the extra 25% of Sony/ATV from Michael.

They had raised interests and finances charges so high, that it caused Michael to not be able to come up with the payment and when he tried to restructure his loan they still wanted an outrageous 20%.


Also CONNECTION between SONY/AEG through The Da Vinci Code movie

http://jetzi-mjvideo.com/books/trials/trials174.html

Aside from Lynton's blind trust of Halperin, his book his pretty well researched and I wish he could help us out with our investigation.
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Those links are not working now, so not sure if it is a temporary blip or they have gone. Do you have another source
 
I have read Aphrodite Jones' chapter on the AEG/Sony connection and it makes much sense to me.
It was and still is a give-take situation.
I really trust her judgement.
 
Gaiaschild said:
Those links are not working now, so not sure if it is a temporary blip or they have gone. Do you have another source
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Let's try these links:


http://jetzi-mjvideo.com/books2/trials/trials149.html
http://tinyurl.com/yam57ca

http://jetzi-mjvideo.com/books2/trials/trials174.html
http://tinyurl.com/ydov4ce

Yes, I also believe that AEG sold TII to Sony as a return favor for the DaVinci code. Just like Lynton says.

Putting it out on the market was mere formality. It was probably already decided Sony would get it.
 
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