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I still disagree. It's hard for me to believe Jordan thought MJ really might have done anything to any other kid, knowing MJ did nothing to him. It's not like Jordan had to wait until the 05 trial to know there wasn't anyone else accusing MJ of the same thing he was. Not at all! Barnes and the rest denied any wrongdoing during that 93 investigation, before any settlement. Yet, the Chandlers kept on going with their lies anyways for many yrs. Not even Jason Francia could claim the same crap back then as Jordan, he had to make up some ridiculous tickling story! SMH
 
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So where are the people who were around Jordan at school, and TMez wanted to put on the stand if Jordan testified? It would be great if we could have a dialog with them. Maybe we can get to Jordan from that end, since he is hiding. There must be some way to flush him out. With all this money that family got, it did not seem to bring them happiness. Look at how they ended up fighting among themselves.

Blue I agree with you wholeheartedly. How could Jordan be influenced by Victor if Jordan knows his dad made up that molestation story. Jordan knew Michael did not molest him. He knew why he had to say Michael did. It seems more likely to me that his father picked some kids that michael knew and used those names as possible victims. His father knew that all he had to do was cast some doubt in people's minds about Michael's innocence, so it did not matter to Jordan's dad if the boys would say Michael did not molest them, because all the dad wanted was to give ammunition to the press for them to disclose stores of more children, and it worked. After the allegations hit the media, some reporters on the radio claimed there were hundreds of other children, and some former employee at Neverland was quoted as saying every night hundreds of children would be let into Neverland through the back door, and there were stories in the press about this. Even Howard Stern had something to say. I was in some cab and heard Robin say, "well if there are other kids how come they never came forward," then Howard replied with certainty, "they were paid off."

By the way, was it the tickler kid who claimed on the stand in the 05 case that he needed money?
 
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Petrarose said:
By the way, was it the tickler kid who claimed on the stand in the 05 case that he needed money?
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The tickler kid, Jason Francia, just did not want to know anything about the money his mother received from Diane Dimond's show, nor did he want to know anything about the money they got from the settlement.

As for why the Chandlers incorporated names of other boys into their story: they knew that if they were the only accusers they had a problem. And I think just like Gutierrez walked up to Joy Robson telling her things, he also walked up to Evan telling him things. About his kid as well as other kids. I think Evan wanted hard to believe VG about other kids to justify what he did, but IMO deep down he had doubts. That's why he and Ray were so obsessed with collecting every tabloid article claiming things about Michael for many years after 1993. I think they needed these as a "confirmation" and justification.
 
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Jason Francia acted like he didn't know his mamma got paid to tell stories and acted like he didn't want no part. And perhaps in the beginning when he was younger he didn't? I mean he was one of the kids who were bullied by the cops with lies in the 93 investigation and was all scared and confused. But, he certainly knew as he got older what went down. And so he willingly participated eventually in the lie. Or else what the hell would he call his fake ass testimony in the 05 trial as an adult then? He lied so save his mama's ass and I'm sure he got his money on the side as well for being a good old son back then and still.
 
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marebear said:
Did I read that right? He threw parties with Michael's music? You tell the world this person hurt you and you play his music at a party?

Money will never buy happiness. I don't think he will ever speak out publically. I don't think he cares to. The lies will stay with him and his family forever. They can block it, ignore it but it will always be with them. I believe things like that will haunt you in your life.
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The devil, himself would play Michael's music. It's that good. That's neither here nor there. It's no stance of good measure that a person plays Michael's music. His music is so powerful that enemies, acquaintances, friends, and those who would love him, alike couldn't help but play it. A lot of closet enemies play his music. Playing it adds no stature of goodness to anyone, nor does it take away from anyone, as far as merit for that person is concerned. Yet, his music does all good things, so his enemies could easily get it twisted. So, all this, at the very least, and most, revealed a closet player of MJ's music. Michael's the best selling artist of all time for a good reason. His music takes on a life of its own. It's not a matter of choice. People can't help but play it.

So, Jordan gets no points for playing the music.
 
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bluetopez said:
I still disagree. It's hard for me to believe Jordan thought MJ really might have done anything to any other kid, knowing MJ did nothing to him. It's not like Jordan had to wait until the 05 trial to know there wasn't anyone else accusing MJ of the same thing he was. Not at all! Barnes and the rest denied any wrongdoing during that 93 investigation, before any settlement. Yet, the Chandlers kept on going with their lies anyways for many yrs. Not even Jason Francia could claim the same crap back then as Jordan, he had to make up some ridiculous tickling story! SMH
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Brett denied it, and it looks like Jordan/Chandler's/Victor incorporated it into their story, Brett denying it was mentioned in the psychiatrist interview and Jordan said, well maybe Michael lied to him, or maybe Brett's lying.

But Jordan had never claimed to know graphic descriptions about what happened between MJ and Brett, all of that came from Victor, the penis drawing in October 1993 included graphic details about what supposedly happened to Brett, and how MJ used vaseline to anally rape him. How were Jordan or Evan supposed to know about that? But Victor claimed he'd learned about it and he writes that same disturbingly graphic story in his book.

It seems Ray is still trying to make that anal rape thing true.

So knowing how someone like Victor works, and how graphic he was, how much his own fantasies were involved in what happened, the Evan phonecall where he acts like he's prepared to accept MJ abusing Jordan "I'm a liberal guy", I can believe the Chandler's were convinced and hoped therefore that even though they'd be making up some BS story, that other stories would come out too. Victor had been looking for someone around Michael to fall for it, and then along comes manic depressive megalomaniac Evan Chandler who realized what it would be worth.
 
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So where are the people who were around Jordan at school, and TMez wanted to put on the stand if Jordan testified?
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How i wish he had that would've been a real eye opener
 
Ray Chandler apparently told Sullivan that “Jordan doesn’t care about what people think about him”. This was a reaction to when Sullivan asked him what Jordan thought about that Internet hoax from 2009 when it spread on the Internet that Jordan retracted.]
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I dont think jordon is as close with ray as he once was as i reckon ray is only just saying that to make himself look more credible
 
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Evan was a twisted person as it was already, doubt he was manipulated by Victor. I think Evan was happy to have anyone help him period. Proof is in the kind of lawyer he got himself and how he had all these contacts ready when he released his bomb. Remember what he said that his son was irrelevant to him. All he wanted was his 20 mil to make films!
 
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^^I agree Blue Evan was not manipulated by Victor. Evan made up a story of lies. He needed no convincing and was simply happy because someone else like Victor was attacking Michael as well. I see this more like birds of a feather flocking together rather than Victor manipulating Evan.

I have to reread parts of the Jones book, because I think I read there that the tickler said he needed money on the stand.
 
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I don't think Evan needed much convincing, but I do think it would be too much of a coincidence that here is this guy going around, approaching parents of kids with the lie of MJ being a pedo and then during this same period Evan comes up with this story. I do think VG has more to do with it than many people realize.
 
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Evan was already a sick individual which made the job easy! So I think it's like what Petarose said "birds of a feather flocking together." I do believe VG helped get the ball rollin secretly. But, I don't think he actually convinced Evan that MJ touched his or other kids for real because he help create that lie, so how can he? As he said he just wanted 20 million and could careless about his son. He was also jealous that his child and ex was loving MJ more then he in his mind. Thought MJ wasn't paying him enough attention. If I remember correctly, Evan wanted MJ to extend his home by building another room? So that MJ can stay over more? Crazy!
 
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Did you guys know that Jordan Chandler considers himself a song writer? Oh yes he even wrote a song with a lady we saw him photographed with a few years ago. You can find it on YouTube apparently the Jordan registered the song using his full name Jordan Christopher Chandler. Anyhow I am sure we all remember how on June 25 2009 Michael's passing was all over the Internet even took the Internet down for a bit. This young lady was on twitter that day in fact she was on twitter for a good portion of the day. So the next day June 26 2009 she logs onto twitter and said hey guys what is this about MJ? I kid you not
 
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^Yea. I heard that girl was his GF? That she is a singer who he wrote songs for her using his full name. And she had a Youtube channel and Twitter. I always thought gee that's funny u hide from testifying in 05 but, you got time to let people know ur a songwriter by using ur full name for all to see!

He hides when it's convenient!
 
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I wish that Jordan friend from college had testified in the 05 trial, I really think it'd had helped him to stop people saying he molested Jordan...

I wonder if Jordan will ever do the right thing knowing he signed a contract and if I'm not mistaken, he'd loose his millions...
 
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^^ To be fair, I don't think it's the task of Jordan's friends to say anything. It's Jordan's task. He is the one who has to go out there and confess that it was all a lie. I personally think that his friends, such as this woman who used to be his girlfriend, know the truth. Obviously if Jordan told other people in college that it was a lie then he told one of his best friends too. And this girl is one of his best friends and she was in Jordan's life already during or shortly after the allegations. So I'm sure she knows everything. But I don't think it's her place to out Jordan on it.

Actually I know of another person about whom I know she is in Jordan's inner circle and she has online presence based on her job. She also occasionally writes articles in her field and after Michael's death she wrote an article about Michael which sang praises of Michael! Not one negative word. She praised him as a legend, an icon, it was a very positive article. And I know that this person is in Jordan's inner circle and was already in the mid 90s. Would you sing praises of a man about whom you think he molested your friend when he was a child? So I do think Jordan really did tell the truth to people in his inner circle.

Sorry to be a bit cryptic about this other person. I do not want to tell her name, because I do not want fans to storm her blog and twitter account, that would lead nowhere. Like I said it's not the task of Jordan's friends to tell the truth, it's Jordan's. But I thought it was very telling how this person wrote a gleamingly praiseful article about Michael after his death. I do believe that deep down Jordan would like to tell the truth, he just doesn't have the guts.
 
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Snow White luvs Peter Pan said:
I wonder if Jordan will ever do the right thing knowing he signed a contract and if I'm not mistaken, he'd loose his millions...
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Robbsaber01 said:
Jordan Can't say anything about the 93 case because that breaks the confidentiality Contracts he had to sign?
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Exactly, if he talks out of a courtroom, it's a breach of the confidentiality agreement, and confidentiality is a major part of the settlement.
I wouldn't expect him to talk, because that would mean that he, and others, would have to give the money back. That would probably also mean accusing other people, his father of course, but also his father's lawyers. So he would have to give the money back AND face those lawyers.

The only way for him to talk was in a courtroom, the settlement allowed him to do that. But depending on what he had to say, the consequences could have been important for him. He clearly did not want to testify, and according to the FBI files, threatened the prosecution in 2005 if they made him.

My question is, could he have been subpeonaed ?

If so, and if he wasn't, then that could say something about Sneddon. Was Sneddon somehow afraid of what Jordan could have said ?
 
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bouee said:
Exactly, if he talks out of a courtroom, it's a breach of the confidentiality agreement, and confidentiality is a major part of the settlement.
I wouldn't expect him to talk, because that would mean that he, and others, would have to give the money back. That would probably also mean accusing other people, his father of course, but also his father's lawyers. So he would have to give the money back AND face those lawyers.
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I'm not sure if that is so. I'm not saying it isn't but I'm just not sure. Remember the settlement is not about molestation, it's about negligence. Would Jordan break the confidentiality agreement if he said he wasn't molested? Maybe he would, but I don't think it would be something over which Michael's Estate would sue. They'd be happy that the truth is out.

I think Jordan's situation is more complicated from his own family's side. His father is dead, but also his uncle was deep in it, as well as his mother. What would be the consequences for those people? He may also be afraid of fan reaction and a media backlash. As well as how Sneddon and Co. would react. Yeah, the lawyers too: Rothman, Feldman...

Unfortunately it's a lot of people's interest to keep up the lie about Michael. A lot of careers have been built on that lie...

Still, telling the truth would be the only right thing and I wish he'd man up. Those people should accept responsibility for the wrongs they did, it's not Michael who should carry this stigma forever just because some people, who DID wrong, "have to be" protected.
 
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The settelment has nothing to do with a criminal trial, it was only to pretend a civil trial and not a criminal trial. This is isn`t possible.
Jordan or his parents could testify what ever they have to say in every crimninal trial.
 
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Does anyone know what would really happen if Jordan decided to talk about it and if he told the media that Michael was innocent? Would he really have to give the money back? To whom? Michael is gone... To the Estate maybe? But would that money even be interesting to the Estate? Wouldn't the Estate maybe leave that money where it is and rather profit from the revelation that Michael indeed was framed in 1993? Because that agreement between Michael and Jordan was only a civil one and I don't see why it would concern anything if Jordan acquitted Michael one day. I get it if he went on and wrote a book saying that Michael really did it, but if he acquitted him?

I'm sure that Michael's Estate would appreciate such a decision, Michael's family too. Surely they wouldn't prosecute Jordan for false accusations...
 
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Justthefacts said:
Did you guys know that Jordan Chandler considers himself a song writer? Oh yes he even wrote a song with a lady we saw him photographed with a few years ago. You can find it on YouTube apparently the Jordan registered the song using his full name Jordan Christopher Chandler. Anyhow I am sure we all remember how on June 25 2009 Michael's passing was all over the Internet even took the Internet down for a bit. This young lady was on twitter that day in fact she was on twitter for a good portion of the day. So the next day June 26 2009 she logs onto twitter and said hey guys what is this about MJ? I kid you not
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:eek: Omg are u serious? that little ......grrrrr :rant:
 
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respect77 said:
I'm not sure if that is so. I'm not saying it isn't but I'm just not sure. Remember the settlement is not about molestation, it's about negligence. Would Jordan break the confidentiality agreement if he said he wasn't molested? Maybe he would, but I don't think it would be something over which Michael's Estate would sue. They'd be happy that the truth is out.

I think Jordan's situation is more complicated from his own family's side. His father is dead, but also his uncle was deep in it, as well as his mother. What would be the consequences for those people? He may also be afraid of fan reaction and a media backlash. As well as how Sneddon and Co. would react. Yeah, the lawyers too: Rothman, Feldman...

Unfortunately it's a lot of people's interest to keep up the lie about Michael. A lot of careers have been built on that lie...

Still, telling the truth would be the only right thing and I wish he'd man up. Those people should accept responsibility for the wrongs they did, it's not Michael who should carry this stigma forever just because some people, who DID wrong, "have to be" protected.
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I can't be sure either. But based on the settlement published by the Smoking Gun, it's about negligence AND confidentiality : both parties could not speak publicly about the "case", not even Michael. As I understand it, they couldn't speak at all, whatever they had to say. The only way they could talk, was to law enforcement, or in a courtroom for a trial. So the settlement did not stop or interfere with any criminal action.

Then, the question is who paid for the settlement ? Was it Michael, or an insurance company ? I don't know if the Estate would sue, but would the insurance company be entitled to sue ?

That's why I doubt Jordan will ever speak publicly, and why I have been having real doubts about what he atually said back in 93.

But it's only doubts, I don't know enough about the law at the time. For example, if Jordan didn't want to testify, and did talk to law enforcement in 93, could Sneddon have made police officers testify about what he told them ? Just like we saw law enforcement testify about Murray, even if Murray didn't testify.

It is really weird to say the least, that 2 grand juries did not charge Michael with anything in the 90s, that's why I think there was nothing from the start in the criminal case, it was purely civil. It's the only explanation I can think of.
 
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Also another thing- Wouldnt jordy feel like a weight has been lifted off his shoulder if he told the truth? A peace of mind is worth more than money
 
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8701girl said:
Also another thing- Wouldnt jordy feel like a weight has been lifted off his shoulder if he told the truth? A peace of mind is worth more than money
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Of course he would, and it might be why he tells his friends, if he does. But there has to be a reason if he has't done so publicly.
 
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bouee said:
Then, the question is who paid for the settlement ? Was it Michael, or an insurance company ? I don't know if the Estate would sue, but would the insurance company be entitled to sue ?
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Yeah, that's a good question.

I think the Estate would (and should) leave him alone in case of a confession. But we don't know what the insurance company would do. And frankly, I'm not sure about the Jacksons either. They are pretty short-sighted when it comes to money...

So our best hope is maybe a deathbed confession in some 50-60 years. Sadly. :(
 
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bouee said:
Of course he would, and it might be why he tells his friends, if he does. But there has to be a reason if he has't done so publicly.
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His hiding from certain people who were involved on the case i reckon
 
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respect77 said:
Yeah, that's a good question.

I think the Estate would (and should) leave him alone in case of a confession. But we don't know what the insurance company would do. And frankly, I'm not sure about the Jacksons either. They are pretty short-sighted when it comes to money...

So our best hope is maybe a deathbed confession in some 50-60 years. Sadly. :(
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But on what grounds would they even be entitled to? They are not beneficiaries of Michael's will. Michael's children on the other hand might have the power to sue, but I doubt they would.
 
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respect77 said:
Yeah, that's a good question.

So our best hope is maybe a deathbed confession in some 50-60 years. Sadly. :(
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Honestly, I don't believe this will ever happen. It would be great, I agree.

I have to say that the work that you and other posters do on this forum and on the web is great, you keep showing that we can show only with logic that the accusations were not true.
People who are interested in the case will certainly read, and things simply just don't make sense. The only way to understand it, is if nothing ever happened, and it was purely blackmail that worked.
 
If it was the real settlement we have discussed in another thread then it was a clause were it was written Michael did not admit he was guilty to any child abuse,child molester..(I don´t remember exact)
Evan Chandler signed it.

I would like it to be posted in all newspapers.
 
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bouee said:
Exactly, if he talks out of a courtroom, it's a breach of the confidentiality agreement, and confidentiality is a major part of the settlement.
I wouldn't expect him to talk, because that would mean that he, and others, would have to give the money back. That would probably also mean accusing other people, his father of course, but also his father's lawyers. So he would have to give the money back AND face those lawyers.

The only way for him to talk was in a courtroom, the settlement allowed him to do that. But depending on what he had to say, the consequences could have been important for him. He clearly did not want to testify, and according to the FBI files, threatened the prosecution in 2005 if they made him.

My question is, could he have been subpeonaed ?

If so, and if he wasn't, then that could say something about Sneddon. Was Sneddon somehow afraid of what Jordan could have said ?
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Jordy Chandler CANNOT be forced to testify or give evidence
in an actual trial - Gavin Arviso 2004/5
The statute of limitations has EXPIRED.
Moreover his testimony is inadmissible in court due to the
Sodium Amaytal (sp) administered to him.

About Suponea...
If you're subponead by a court in an acutual trial to testify,
you cannot ignore it or don't turn up.
You can be charged for contempt of court.
LMP was subponead with her half insinuations, half conjectures
and luckily for her, she got her lwayers confirming she was out of the country.
She indeed was - in Australia, the entire time she was spewing garbage.
When June Chandler was subponead in 2005 for the Arviso's trial ,
I wouldn't put past Jordy Chandler got wind of it and
FLED the country just to play it safe.
 
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