Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date April 2, 2013

[ivy]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

what im also wondering is dont all the intervention claims actually help aeg's case? ie they can say dont blame us for causing this cause according to u (the jacksons) mj already had problems

yeah I think so.

One of the claims was that AEG had chosen or hired Murray - I think this is pretty much proven otherwise during Murray trial. AEG can clearly demonstrate that Michael knew Murray, he wanted to hire him and actually AEG did not want to hire him.

The other claims will be the contract - As in their motion to dismiss I think AEG would still argue that the contract was not signed and any equipment promises was for London. Jackson's still have oral contract and Murray started working argument in that regard.

For supervising and control - It's most probable that AEG would argue Murray was an independent contractor and did not report to them. Murray telling Michael not to participate to rehearsals on June 13 without asking anyone for approval shows that he didn't see AEG as his supervisor. I'm not sure how strong "Phillips said look to Klein's treatment therefore he was a supervisor" argument. But still it could be question for the jury.

For dictating his medical treatment - I think here AEG will say that they were worried with Michael not showing up to rehearsals (ortega already said it) and they tried to get Michael to rehearsals. As I said before during the initial dismissal hearings judge said trying to get a person to show up for work is not illegal (and removed the conspiracy claim). AEG will most probably argue that although they talked about "getting Michael to rehearsals", they did not determine a specific treatment and it was all on Murray. They can argue they didn't know the specifics and/or definitely did not ask Murray to give Michael improper drugs in not appropriate settings.

The drug history / the addiction will probably come into play if they want to argue that the drugs was not new to Michael , similar to how Murray said it was his "milk" and "anti-burn". They can simply say that Michael could have used it with or without them or the shows.

I also strongly believe Michael's catalogs weren't a part of MJ Company and therefore was never at risk due to non-performance. If AEG can also demonstrate such and show that not a terrible outcome waited Michael if he didn't perform, they can overcome the "stress and they pushed him" arguments as well.

But this is all an issue for trial. Perhaps it won't even come to that. May - June will be quite interesting in this case.

 

[StellaJackson]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

There were no interventions. Over the last couple of years it has become quite evident that MJ's siblings are quite selfish and only interested in publicity for them selves and selling the latest products they are endorsing.DO you honestly believe Janet, Tito et el would set aside time to stage an intervention?Really?

Yes I believe there were attempts to intervene. As I said, if Michael denied he had a problem then there is not much they could do. Just because certain family members have used Michael's death to their own advantage does not mean they didn't try to help while he was alive. You can't say there were no interventions as if it were a fact because you don't know.

 

[Big Apple2]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

One of the claims was that AEG had chosen or hired Murray - I think this is pretty much proven otherwise during Murray trial. AEG can clearly demonstrate that Michael knew Murray, he wanted to hire him and actually AEG did not want to hire him.

And that claim right there was just pitiful. So pitiful that I'm surprised that it was included, but then again, I guess that was the best they could come up with.

I think it's safe to say that "most" fans were able to figure out, long before this lawsuit came into being, that Murray and Michael had a relationship way before AEG came along. Once again the Jacksons are a day late and a dollar short, in my opinion.

 

[StellaJackson]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

Good one Memefan and very true!

There's a reason the dear sweet man kept away from his family and instead latched on to family's like The Cascios. He appeared to be looking for "something" he couldn't get from his own family.

And what wonderful friends they turned out to be.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

So when was the last maureen saw michael before may 09? No doubt during the trial and once he left the country that was it. amazing she knows so much. Talkng to randy no doubt.whos the one in denial again.

 

[Prometheus77]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

mjs family were part of the leeches and the ppl who took advantage of him so why would surrounding yourself with one set of leeches protect you from another.theres a reason why mj spent his entire adult life attaching himself to random families looking for something he wasnt getting from his own. unconditional love and respect.

Oh yeah... and that worked out so well. I'm not saying that Michael was wrong for branching out, moving out of his parents house and living his own life the way he saw fit. Quite to the contrary, it's the natural thing. That's what happens. But with distancing himself from the family and without having anyone, who is not paid by him, really in his corner, he made it easier for leeches to latch on too. Leeches like his family you say? Well, none of his family wanted to ruin his career, life, just make money or potentially put him in jail to get what they want. The worst thing they would have asked him was to perform with them... and yeah, what a bunch of horrible people they were for doing that. Asking their brother and son to join in their family business. How could they?!

It's nothing out of the ordinary. A lead singer of a group always has special power over the fellow members and is more important to them... the other members are usually fucked, when the singer doesn't want to work with them anymore... especially when the singer is the bigger star than all of them combined. Usually though, the singer is not related to the members and is left alone, once he says "Thanks, I have no interest.". So the frustrations on the Jacksons part and not wanting to give up, but also not wanting to go ahead without him is understandable.

Regarding that "intervention"... Jermaine said in the Q&A that it was in '01/'02 (although he didn't call it intervention) which kinda makes sense, looking at the footage of Michael from that time. It also makes sense considering that Janet supposedly didn't see Michael for 2 years after the trial (so it had to happen before that). It also makes sense in them supposedly asking for a reunion in '07/'08 (which would have been a perfect time for a reunion... it would have made his return so much easier).

Maybe it is good that they get deposed, so maybe some of the confusions will get cleared up. But then again, it's kinda obvious that some of you want to blame the family for everything, like things are always black and white, with no shades of grey in it and all 10 relevant members (not counting the nieces and nephews) acting as one unit against Michael.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

Busted is right?

Reminds me of Jermaine saying "Michael didn't have a cell phone," as a way of explaining why he had no contact with Michael.

Then comes Rebbie SELLING a cell phone case, "claiming" it belonged to Michael. If I'm not mistaken I "think" she even signed a letter of authentication. So which is it - cell phone or NO cell phone?

lol id cry if frankly it wasnt so funny.they really are pathetic at creating excuses as to why michael didnt want to see them. maureen should talk to her son who denies mj was an addict. then again those pally with randy run the addict story those who arent dont. hope they match all those dates up seeing for a raving addict mj spent akot of time travelling the east coast and staying with the cascios during that time. annoyed the family that they couldnt get to him to hassle him over that reunion no doubt. so ungrateful after supporting him during 03-05 especially maureen who was soooo supportive NOT

 

[Big Apple2]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

Yes I believe there were attempts to intervene. As I said, if Michael denied he had a problem then there is not much they could do. Just because certain family members have used Michael's death to their own advantage does not mean they didn't try to help while he was alive. You can't say there were no interventions as if it were a fact because you don't know.

But we do know that during "some" of the times that the family is claiming they tried to hold an intervention was at the same time they were BEGGING Michael to perform with them. So were they begging him to perform at the very same time they were trying to help him with his "problem."

Then there is the letter which was signed by Mrs. Jackson and some of the brothers which stated that there were NEVER any interventions.

Once again - which is the true answer? The family is clearly NOT on the same page, when it comes to the "intervention" story.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

Mj got burned by many ppl. it would have made no difference if his family had been wonderful interms of mj been used and abused by managers accountants etc unless of course you think the jacksons should have been his accountants etc.so that argument is redundant as even if u have the best family in the world you always have to hire and be involved with outsiders. it is sumed up by mjs quote of they only ring me when they want money. never just to see how im doing. and ppl wonder why mj kept away from his family.theres a reason why mj spent his entire adult life attaching himself to other families looking for someone who would just call him to see how he was with no ulterior motive. if you cant see the connection then as geragos said u are living in your own neverland.i dont blame the family for what the chandlers did. its just a shame they were the sort of family that pushed mj to have to go looking for what he should have been getting from his own but all they cared about was what they could get from mj and mj knew that which caused him to look else where

it has been shown what randy did to mj during his trial re the atv and dash and post trial with the accounts upto today where he supports certain ppl wanting money from the estate. But of course the family dont want to talk about that. easier to twist to suit your own agenda

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

But we do know that during "some" of the times that the family is claiming they tried to hold an intervention was at the same time they were BEGGING Michael to perform with them. So were they begging him to perform at the very same time they were trying to help him with his "problem."

Then there is the letter which was signed by Mrs. Jackson and some of the brothers which stated that there were NEVER any interventions.

Once again - which is the true answer? The family is clearly NOT on the same page when it comes to the "intervention" story.

the truth only has one story and the family cant get their stories right.so whos lieing. maybe its a coincedence! but its funny how we go from the family hassling mj to do a reunion to the story suddenly changing to it was an intervention after he passes. anyone would think certain family members were trying to make themselves look good! and cause a distraction from what they were doing. as a wise man said throwing stones to hide your hands.even if mj was a raving crackhead a family would protect that person instead of trying to make themselves look good by thowing their relative under a bus. but the family are obsessed with protecting their image. have the houstons acted lije this even though whitney was taking crack or have they maintained their dignity

 

[Prometheus77]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

Mj got burned by many ppl. it would have made no difference if his family had been wonderful interms of mj been used and abused by managers accountants etc unless of course you think the jacksons should have been his accountants etc.so that argument is redundant as even if u have the best family in the world you always have to hire and be involved with outsiders.

True! But it probably would have helped to have someone independent to talk things over, before making decisions. And on family projects he wouldn't have been the only one making decisions. I'm not assuming to know that the outcome would have been differently. It's just a possibility.

it is sumed up by mjs quote of they only ring me when they want money. never just to see how im doing.

Well, I guess that's a two way street. He moved away, now did he? And considering the numbers of people in that family I doubt that everyone was like that!

and ppl wonder why mj kept away from his family.theres a reason why mj spent his entire adult life attaching himself to other families looking for someone who would just call him to see how he was with no ulterior motive. if you cant see the connection then as geragos said u are living in your own neverland.i dont blame the family for what the chandlers did. its just a shame they were the sort of family that pushed mj to have to go looking for what he should have been getting from his own but all they cared about was what they could get from mj and mj knew that which caused him to look else where

And again... things are not just black and white. And drawing conclusions and not consider that these conclusions might be wrong or only a part of what's been going on makes you live in neverland. No one of us knows how that family interacts, so to say "they drove him away" is a bit of a simple view. And if them wanting to do projects with him is the reason for him to stay away, then I don't know.... there are worse things than working with your family from time to time.

it has been shown what randy did to mj during his trial re the atv and dash and post trial with the accounts upto today where he supports certain ppl wanting money from the estate. But of course the family dont want to talk about that. easier to twist to suit your own agenda

I've seen that used against and held against Randy for years, but nothing to really prove that there was a malicious intent on his part, rather than Randy just not being a good business man and failing in whatever he wanted to do to help Michael.

 

[Big Apple2]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

And if them wanting to do projects with him is the reason for him to stay away, then I don't know.... there are worse things than working with your family from time to time.

In my opinion, it was WAY more than just wanting to perform with him.

It "probably" was more like: Jermaine is behind in his child support - can you help. Randy is behind in his child support - can you help. Joseph has a business opportunity - can you help. Randy has a business opportunity - can you help. Randy's children have no where to go - can you help. Jermaine's children have no where to go - can you help.

It will be interesting to hear how Tito Jackson answers his "late alimony payments" question. I won't be at all surprised if it turns out when Tito was late with his alimony payments, Michael paid them for him. I mean, there is definitely a reason AEG's attorney asked Tito that specific question.

 

[Prometheus77]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

It "probably" was more like: Jermaine is behind in his child support - can you help. Randy is behind in his child support - can you help. Joseph has a business opportunity - can you help. Randy has a business opportunity - can you help. Randy's children have no where to go - can you help. Jermaine's children have no where to go - can you help.

Well, maybe it was like that... but as you don't know, you can only assume. I wouldn't wanna do that.

 

[LastTear]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

In my opinion, it was WAY more than just wanting to perform with him.

It "probably" was more like: Jermaine is behind in his child support - can you help. Randy is behind in his child support - can you help. Joseph has a business opportunity - can you help. Randy has a business opportunity - can you help. Randy's children have no where to go - can you help. Jermaine's children have no where to go - can you help.

It will be interesting to hear how Tito Jackson answers his "late alimony payments" question. I won't be at all surprised if it turns out when Tito was late with his alimony payments, Michael paid them for him. I mean, there is definitely a reason AEG's attorney asked Tito that specific question.

I am also intrigued to know why they are asking this question, especially as Tito's alimony payments were a long time ago, I haven't followed Tito's life but I thought he was only married to Dee Dee and she was murdered around 1994. (ish)

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

Michael did not want to work with his family anymore that is it. If he did not want to do it that should have been it move on and do something else. However you kept pestering him about it was little wonder he wanted nothing to do with them. Not Michael's fault

 

[Big Apple2]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

Well, maybe it was like that... but as you don't know, you can only assume. I wouldn't wanna do that.

We are simply sharing opinions, nothing more, nothing less. Which we are free to discuss, especially after ivy sums up the latest court proceedings.

As per Randy Jackson himself, he and Michael made "an agreement" that Randy's children could stay at Havenhurst and therefore Randy did not have to pay child support. How true that is, is anyone's guess, since Michael is no longer here to confirm, but it would appear that Randy did NOT want to financially support his children.

Then there is the question regarding Tito Jackson's "late alimony payments." Now why would AEG want to ask that type of question, unless they are trying to establish a PATTERN.

 

[Big Apple2]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

I am also intrigued to know why they are asking this question, especially as Tito's alimony payments were a long time ago, I haven't followed Tito's life but I thought he was only married to Dee Dee and she was murdered around 1994. (ish)

I'm with you, I don't know anything about Tito's married life either, but it is interesting that AEG would go there, especially as you stated, she was murdered around 1994. Which means, in my opinion, AEG is leaving NO stone unturned. I bet Tito was shocked. LOL!

 

[Victory22]

About family drug interventions:
The unsubstantiated and inconsistent statements from Rebbie, Janet, Joe and other Jackson family members seem to be extremely self-serving, confusing and insincere. They are never specific on times and dates and the family members who allegedly participated are always contradicted among themselves. MJ’s mother and Jermaine don’t seem to have been present at any of them and Janet’s interviews are inconsistent as to whether she was in attendance. At this point it’s hard for me to believe any serious attempts to help Michael with any of his medical issues were ever addressed by his family. I’d like to know why none of them ever tried to help him with his insomnia and eating. Especially his mother. Was he depressed? Did any of them try to intervene and help him with that? These are things that lead people to take medications.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

I'm with you, I don't know anything about Tito's married life either, but it is interesting that AEG would go there, especially as you stated, she was murdered around 1994. Which means, in my opinion, AEG is leaving NO stone unturned. I bet Tito was shocked. LOL!

tito split with dee dee cause of his affairs. it was reported he walked out and refused to pay for the kids back in the day so mj stepped in and paid for schooling etc. this is going back along time so AEG are certainly leaving no stone unturned

 

[elusive moonwalker]

About family drug interventions:
The unsubstantiated and inconsistent statements from Rebbie, Janet, Joe and other Jackson family members seem to be extremely self-serving, confusing and insincere. They are never specific on times and dates and the family members who allegedly participated are always contradicted among themselves. MJ’s mother and Jermaine don’t seem to have been present at any of them and Janet’s interviews are inconsistent as to whether she was in attendance. At this point it’s hard for me to believe any serious attempts to help Michael with any of his medical issues were ever addressed by his family. I’d like to know why none of them ever tried to help him with his insomnia and eating. Especially his mother. Was he depressed? Did any of them try to intervene and help him with that? These are things that lead people to take medications.

considering janet and others said they didnt even know he had insomnia well that that tells u it all. hard to help when they were a contributing factor.they didnt care about hassling him time and time again to do reunions to the point where mj had to put out a public statement telling the family no. (that was extream for mj) and didnt care when joe was threatening to try and stop the 02 shows cause mj should have been in texas instead. it was all about what mj could do for them and give them one last pat day although if he did give them one last pay day down the line they would have started asking again

 

[LastTear]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

I'm with you, I don't know anything about Tito's married life either, but it is interesting that AEG would go there, especially as you stated, she was murdered around 1994. Which means, in my opinion, AEG is leaving NO stone unturned. I bet Tito was shocked. LOL!

tito split with dee dee cause of his affairs. it was reported he walked out and refused to pay for the kids back in the day so mj stepped in and paid for schooling etc. this is going back along time so AEG are certainly leaving no stone unturned

As you say no stone unturned, just surprised that they would bring up something from so long ago, I guess they will be asking the rest of the family similar questions.

The original lawsuit mentions the financial pressure that was on Michael if he didn't perform, perhaps AEG want to prove that actually it wasn't them who put him under pressure (financially) but was in fact the family, that the stress Michael felt was not as a result of the 'help and financial' assistance from AEG, but was caused by the families inability to fund themselves.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

But with distancing himself from the family and without having anyone, who is not paid by him, really in his corner, he made it easier for leeches to latch on too.

True! But it probably would have helped to have someone independent to talk things over, before making decisions. And on family projects he wouldn't have been the only one making decisions. I'm not assuming to know that the outcome would have been differently. It's just a possibility.

Well i'm going to go ahead and assume i know what the outcome would be if mj allowed the jacksons even more control over his life - his life would have been far worse. Look at the type of people who his family brought into his life - tohme, the bahrani prince, the moonies, all those great financiers randy introduced to mj during the trial who tried to wrest control of the catalogue away from him, that ethical journalist daphne barak, stacey brown, don king and his great handling of the victory tour etc. MJ had poor judgement regarding people esp in his later life, but the judgement of his family was ten times worse. It is just a myth, peddled by jermiane, that mj's problems stemmed from stepping away from 'the family'.

 

[jaydom7]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

Jermaine is the one that introduced MJ to Thome Thome..:busted: so he has no business talking about anything.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

And now we see the family allowing ppl like weisner into the childrens lives after sering what he did to mj. Even when they see the damage that such a person had done they have no issues if money is involved

maybe its just me but its kinda strange that at the exact time the family are now claiming interventions took place is the exact same time back in 2007 that mj had to put out a public statement telling his family that he would not be taking part in any reunion that kept being anounced by certain family members. why were the family trying to get mj to take part in a reunion to the point of him publically telling them no if they were doing interventions. it might lead ppl to think those interventions were actually meetings to try and get mj to take part in a reunion. you think?!!!!!! What a terrible family trying get their drugged up brother on stage. trying not to be sarcastic here!

mj stepped away from the family in his early 20's he had no problems until 93. anyone would think that jermaine was bitter!

 

[LastTear]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

@elusive And don't forget that was followed by the families signed declaration later in 2007 that they have never been involved in a drug intervention.

 

[Big Apple2]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

@elusive And don't forget that was followed by the families signed declaration later in 2007 that they have never been involved in a drug intervention.

AEG certainly has a lot of stuff to work with that's for sure. LOL!

Man, I bet the look on Tito's face was priceless when he was asked about his past alimony payments. Probably thought he would NEVER have to talk about that again.

 

[marebear]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

I think all of this will show how much Michael did for his entire family. He did enough more than enough. Now he should be left alone and in peace.

 

[Prometheus77]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

Well i'm going to go ahead and assume i know what the outcome would be if mj allowed the jacksons even more control over his life - his life would have been far worse. Look at the type of people who his family brought into his life - tohme, the bahrani prince, the moonies, all those great financiers randy introduced to mj during the trial who tried to wrest control of the catalogue away from him, that ethical journalist daphne barak, stacey brown, don king and his great handling of the victory tour etc. MJ had poor judgement regarding people esp in his later life, but the judgement of his family was ten times worse. It is just a myth, peddled by jermiane, that mj's problems stemmed from stepping away from 'the family'.

Yes, they are all so much worse than the Chandlers, the Arvizos, the Francias, the Quindoys, Uri Geller, Rabbi Boteach, Martin Bashir, the Cascios and so on. They all had their fair share of trusting the wrong people. I'm not saying that none of the crap would have happened had he stayed with the family... I'm just entertaining the thought that things might have been different.

 

[Big Apple2]

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I think all of this will show how much Michael did for his entire family. He did enough more than enough.

Yep and then AEG will make there OWN claim, in my opinion, that being that if Michael experienced any stress it came from family PRESSURE.

 

[maral]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

seems like AEG wasn't the only one who were stressing MJ. to be honest i believe the renuien talk and them trying to pull him in to something he DIDN'T want to do, added more stress. and when you're more stress you take more medication.

i also don't believe he was in denial. at several point in his life MJ was aiming to be drug free and live healthy. to me that's not a person in denial.