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Likelihood of anniversary editons for Dangerous and HIStory

AlwaysThere said:
I’m convinced this guy comes into threads simply to be the dissenting party.
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That is perfectly normal, considering that this is a discussion forum.
zinniabooklover said:
Scream. DS. This Time Around. SIM. Tabloid Junkie, 2Bad, Money. I'd add Is It Scary, as well even though it's BOTDF. All of those songs speak to the allegations, imo. Not exclusively, maybe. There are many ways to interpret song lyrics but it's hard to ignore the allegations in the context of these specific lyrics.
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mjfanboy27 said:
I don't see the history album in connection with the accusations they don't care about us Earth Song you are Not alone childhood history and smile for example not
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Just like 'Scream', 'Smile' is also another song that refers to those accusations.

The only difference between these 2 songs is in their tone towards those accusations: 'Scream' has a pessimistic tone, whereas 'Smile' has an optimistic tone.
 
mj_frenzy said:
Just like 'Scream', 'Smile' is also another song that refers to those accusations.

The only difference between these 2 songs is in their tone towards those accusations: 'Scream' has a pessimistic tone, whereas 'Smile' has an optimistic tone.
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Smile is a cover.
 
knigofpop said:
The estate needs to start creating projects for the fans. Prince estate does it. I'm also a Garth Brooks fan (don't judge 😆). Garth has been releasing a set of huge books called the Anthology collection, one a year... Each book contains 6 CDs containing demos, different versions of songs for each 'era' and the book details where and when each song was recorded.

It's exciting waiting for the release of each one and as far as a collection goes, they display beautifully on a bookshelf.

And @R1chard , technology allows you to copy each CD to your phone or a memory stick if you like, then you can take each one to your car!
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Yes. agree ...Prince estate does do it regularly and really well.. I was so gutted when my friend got their Diamond & Pearl box set ... & there wasn't anything for me...lol...😞 Dangerous ... same time frame you see....It's a smack in the face when you have supported M for over 3 decades...or more ...
I will say G. Brooks is alright, I am a new [ish] supporter of David Garrett. Nearly every artist does the box set thing for their fans, regardless.

I really like this thread @OuttaTheRain45
 
OuttaTheRain45 said:
I highly doubt this. The only songs from History that I can even begin to connect to allegations are tabloid junkie, This time around, D.S (obviously), money, and scream. That is not even half of the songs
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TDCAU literally has the word allegation in it. Childhood talks about judging. How about 2 Bad? The whole thing is a comeback album. It's probably MJ's only concept album.

OuttaTheRain45 said:
Who cares what’s in your best interests?
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Huh? Me. I'm the only person who cares about what I buy. Just like you're the only person who cares about what you buy.

OuttaTheRain45 said:
Who cares if you’ll buy it or not? Cause I don’t and I’m sure nobody else does
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And yet some people seem really obsessed about what's popular, and how many people buy copies of an album.

I don't understand it either.

It simply doesn't matter what other people buy.

OuttaTheRain45 said:
You aren’t as important as you think you are. Nobody cares what’s in your best interests or what you will buy.
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Again, I'm not important. I'm just one guy.

And yet Sony wants to make money, so collectively, they do consider fans to be important. They're trying to get sales from somebody.

Like I said, I'm the paying customer. I have ALL the power in this relationship. If I don't like what's on sale, I simply won't buy it, and there's nothing Sony can do about it.

Sony have to do a good job in my eyes otherwise what they're doing is a complete waste of time and it won't achieve their objective.

But at the end of the day, I don't care about Sony and I don't care if they make a profit or not. They can do whatever they want.

@mjfanatic777 said:
gen beta is the newest generation.
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Meh. Those are just buzzwords invented by the American media so they can label people. In the UK people don't use words like boomer. Lol.

IhateTheMedia said:
And Thriller 40 did perform well
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It failed to make the top 10 in the major markets. But if 0.1 million copies is performing well, then sure, let's celebrate.

OuttaTheRain45 said:
Smile is a cover.
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You think Michael just chose the song at random? He didn't have a reason?

OuttaTheRain45 said:
I sure hope so, that guy is… we’ll just say strange. He literally states his opinion as fact.
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For me, it's definitely much better to buy one disc full of demos that I've never heard before. That pretty much enters fact status.

I cannot understand people who would rather those same demos be spread thinly across 2 or 3 discs, interspersed with the album version of PYT and Beat It. That's an objectively worse product. A worse listening experience, a worse price, worse for the environment, etc.

And I notice you've made no attempt to explain why that would be better.
 
R1chard said:
You think Michael just chose the song at random? He didn't have a reason?
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He said that smile was his favorite song, that’s probably why. Not everything Michael did had a deep meaning. You seem to be searching for something that isn’t there. I’d wouldn’t be surprised if you thought that “I am the walrus” by The Beatles had a deep meaning. Fool
 
Fuzball said:
Sure, but there's just one thing: the song's written in the 80s.
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Not taking sides in this bc idrc but, OK, the song is from the 80's but are the lyrics? Michael had a habit of (sometimes? often?) writing the lyrics at the last moment or he could have just changed them at some point. I don't consider every lyric he ever wrote to be autobiographical but some of those TDCAU lyrics could be seen that way ...

"I have a wife and two children who love me
I'm a victim of police brutality, now"

I mean, that's the 90's right there.

Like I said, not taking sides. Just thinking out loud. :unsure:
 
zinniabooklover said:
Not taking sides in this bc idrc but, OK, the song is from the 80's but are the lyrics? Michael had a habit of (sometimes? often?) writing the lyrics at the last moment or he could have just changed them at some point. I don't consider every lyric he ever wrote to be autobiographical but some of those TDCAU lyrics could be seen that way ...

"I have a wife and two children who love me
I'm a victim of police brutality, now"

I mean, that's the 90's right there.

Like I said, not taking sides. Just thinking out loud. :unsure:
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Matt Forger said the Dangerous version was pretty much the same.

Sure, it's likely Michael's changed few lines ("have a wife & 2kids" seem to refer to his marriage w/ LMP), but the bulk of it was written years before the allegations - contrary to what Richard's preaching on here.😄
 
R1chard said:
TDCAU literally has the word allegation in it. Childhood talks about judging. How about 2 Bad? The whole thing is a comeback album. It's probably MJ's only concept album.
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Wasn't TDCAU conceived in the Dangerous era? Along with Earth Song.

I actually thought about this before. About how his albums could be formulaic and how HIStory would fit into that formula because it's his darkest and angriest album and it always felt different, a bit more than Dangerous. I remember saying that after Thriller all his albums followed the Thriller formula in a way or another. And overall it wasn't a bad thing, except for Invincible imo.

But the formula is:
-A song about how bad the press/gossip is (Wanna Be Starting Something, Leave Me Alone, Tabloid Junkie, Privacy and more or less Black or White)
-A love slow ballad (Lady in My Life, Just Can't Stop, Dangerous skipped this one, You Are Not Alone, Speechless)
-A scary/suspense thematic song (Thriller, Smooth Criminal, Dangerous, Scream, Threatened)
-Let's Save the World song (We Are the World, Man in the Mirror, Heal the World, Earth Song, History, Cry, What More Can I Give)
-An old Hollywood reference (Vincent Price, Bob Fosse/Fred Astaire and Beatles with Come Together, Fred Astaire again, Charlie Chaplin, Twilight Zone/Godfather I guess)
-A song or video about gangs or the mafia (Beat It, The Way You Make Me Feel, Smooth Criminal, Black or White, TDCAU I guess?, Rock My World)

So if you think about it, History is not that different from the other ones. It felt like he was more outspoken, but it was pretty much dealing with the same themes as the rest of his albums. So I don't think the allegations changed the album radically. Yes, it definitely influenced it, perhaps in its anger, but not that radically as to be completely overwhelmed and consumed by the allegations
 
Everything has been done to sell history well like Thriller Album therefore certainly the 1 cd best of and the big advertising campaign worldwide
 
Andymachine said:
Fair point , but to the non MJ listener it is hard to even hear what he is saying / singing in those songs. It is certainly not insane to have an opinion may I add. They are guff. Fillers. The only filler song that i felt was great and sung live in Victory , Bad and Dangerous tours and i think even tour b4 Victory was Working day and Night.
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WDAN a filler? in which universe a great song like Workin could be considered a filler?
 
apple🍎 said:
Wasn't TDCAU conceived in the Dangerous era? Along with Earth Song.

I actually thought about this before. About how his albums could be formulaic and how HIStory would fit into that formula because it's his darkest and angriest album and it always felt different, a bit more than Dangerous. I remember saying that after Thriller all his albums followed the Thriller formula in a way or another. And overall it wasn't a bad thing, except for Invincible imo.

But the formula is:
-A song about how bad the press/gossip is (Wanna Be Starting Something, Leave Me Alone, Tabloid Junkie, Privacy and more or less Black or White)
-A love slow ballad (Lady in My Life, Just Can't Stop, Dangerous skipped this one, You Are Not Alone, Speechless)
-A scary/suspense thematic song (Thriller, Smooth Criminal, Dangerous, Scream, Threatened)
-Let's Save the World song (We Are the World, Man in the Mirror, Heal the World, Earth Song, History, Cry, What More Can I Give)
-An old Hollywood reference (Vincent Price, Bob Fosse/Fred Astaire and Beatles with Come Together, Fred Astaire again, Charlie Chaplin, Twilight Zone/Godfather I guess)
-A song or video about gangs or the mafia (Beat It, The Way You Make Me Feel, Smooth Criminal, Black or White, TDCAU I guess?, Rock My World)

So if you think about it, History is not that different from the other ones. It felt like he was more outspoken, but it was pretty much dealing with the same themes as the rest of his albums. So I don't think the allegations changed the album radically. Yes, it definitely influenced it, perhaps in its anger, but not that radically as to be completely overwhelmed and consumed by the allegations
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I agree unfortunately Thriller was a blessing but at the same time a curse he couldn't scape from musically and comercially wise unlike Prince who didn't fall ofr it with Purple Rain.
 
IhateTheMedia said:
According to Branca himself we aren't getting shit,
https://twitter.com/x/status/1918025266410262960
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I'd actually prefer if he just said "Hi, sorry no plans for it" rather than mentioning the musical and film as deflection for everything.

As much as I loved the musical, it's not something I'm planning on seeing a 2nd time.

The film they mentioned has yet to even release so much as a teaser. There's also been very credible rumours about serious disruption to the plot and filming of it recently. Why is it that everytime they answer a question they leave more questions than answers.

What's worse is we are surprised and annoyed each time when we really shouldn't be. It's been crystal clear for many years now that the estate does not consider the genuine fan-base (or the artistic legacy of MJ) a priority at all. Just money and numbers.
 
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Branca sucks, MJs family sucks...the fans have always done all the heavy lifting when it comes to Michael and his legacy. I think to expect anything from the estate is just a waste of time.
 
LiveItOffTheWall said:
Branca sucks, MJs family sucks...the fans have always done all the heavy lifting when it comes to Michael and his legacy. I think to expect anything from the estate is just a waste of time.
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I'm quite annoyed at myself for getting excited at the time of the Thriller 40 doc, thinking that we might actually get a HD Victory Tour release.
 
innuendo141 said:
I'm quite annoyed at myself for getting excited at the time of the Thriller 40 doc, thinking that we might actually get a HD Victory Tour release.
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I would love an HD Victory Tour release! There's so many things the estate could do besides just anniversary albums but I feel like we won't see anything for years because of the movie. That's going to have to hold us over for a long time. 🫤
 
The main problem is that the estate would need to credit other people and collaborate on a project.

Anything they do is entirely theirs and we should all remember that and celebrate it.
 
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