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look what I found a study on Propofol and insomania

Tbh i dont think we should help giving any ideas to the defence
 
sorry- wasn't meant to help the defence- was meant to demonstrate MJ wasn't weird to take Propofol for his sleeping problems.
 
mods please delete if you feel this will help the defence and is innapropriate. thanks
 
I was merely saying that Propofol was given to patients in CLINICAL SAFE HOSPITAL CONDITIONS. It was not given at home. Murray gave MJ and overdose and his administration of the drug- in a home setting and his recklessness etc was a appalling standard of care leading MJ to die. This does not seem to be the case in this study.
 
It was more to say I have found an article mentioning the drug as a treatment for sleeping problems.
 
I'm sorry folks- I love MJ more than life itself-and I want Justice. I did not post this IN ANY WAY TO HELP DR.DEATH. Please don't attack me. thanks
 
angelofinnocence said:
I was merely saying that Propofol was given to patients in CLINICAL SAFE HOSPITAL CONDITIONS. It was not given at home. Murray gave MJ and overdose and his administration of the drug- in a home setting and his recklessness etc was a appalling standard of care leading MJ to die. This does not seem to be the case in this study.
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angelofinnocence said:
I'm sorry folks- I love MJ more than life itself-and I want Justice. I did not post this IN ANY WAY TO HELP DR.DEATH.Please don't attack me. thanks
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You dont have to worry or defend your post angelofinnocence :hug:

There is nothign wrong with this thread and its not going to help the defense.
They have these studies. Its been stated before propoful has been used in some cases for sleeping probs.
Its just not the main objective for the drug. And this is used in a proper setting. unlike Dr Murray. To me
this shows MJ wasnt off his rocker as some seem to state for using it and Dr Murray is still culpable for
not taking proper of Michael when administering improperly leaving his patient and causing his death

Murray is not being charged for giving MJ propoful as that is not against the law
The law he broke was not administering it correctly and being negligent in his CARE of his patient
becuase he didnt do proper monitoring have proper equipt and neglected his patient causing him die.
it was Murrays Dangerous disreguard for his patient well being that was a direct cause of his death MJ's death
 
Thank you for posting this,I actually found it interesting.

And I agree with what qbee said,so please don't feel bad :huggy:

I don't see how it could help the defense.It was done in a hospital and in the full text of the study they say the following : "The study protocol was reviewed and approved by the Hospital Ethics Committee" [...]"The treatment, which started at 22:00, was administered on five consecutive nights to each participant in a quiet and comfortable single room, and the blood pressure, electrocardiogram, and pulse oximeter oxygen saturation (SpO[SUB]2[/SUB]) of each patient were constantly monitored during each treatment."
None of that applies to what Murray did.
 
On the contrary, it explains very well what Murray didn't do, so...

Thanks angelofinnocence it was interesting to read.
 
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qbee said:
You dont have to worry or defend your post angelofinnocence

There is nothign wrong with this thread and its not going to help the defense.
They have these studies. Its been stated before propoful has been used in some cases for sleeping probs.
Its just not the main objective for the drug. And this is used in a proper setting. unlike Dr Murray. To me
this shows MJ wasnt off his rocker as some seem to state for using it and Dr Murray is still culpable for
not taking proper of Michael when administering improperly leaving his patient and causing his death

Murray is not being charged for giving MJ propoful as that is not against the law
The law he broke was not administering it correctly and being negligent in his CARE of his patient
becuase he didnt do proper monitoring have proper equipt and neglected his patient causing him die.
it was Murrays Dangerous disreguard for his patient well being that was a direct cause of his death MJ's death
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I would like to co-sign this as well.

It was an informative read, thank you angel.:hug:
 
I don't believe Conrad Murray was treating Michael Jackson for insomnia.
I believe Michael Jackson was deliberately murdered by Conrad Murray and maybe others.
Michael Jackson's murder was a "Corporate Hit Job". Everybody involved got paid.
 
Very well put. This is exactly where Murray responsibility lies.

qbee said:
You dont have to worry or defend your post angelofinnocence :hug:

There is nothign wrong with this thread and its not going to help the defense.
They have these studies. Its been stated before propoful has been used in some cases for sleeping probs.
Its just not the main objective for the drug. And this is used in a proper setting. unlike Dr Murray. To me
this shows MJ wasnt off his rocker as some seem to state for using it and Dr Murray is still culpable for
not taking proper of Michael when administering improperly leaving his patient and causing his death

Murray is not being charged for giving MJ propoful as that is not against the law
The law he broke was not administering it correctly and being negligent in his CARE of his patient
becuase he didnt do proper monitoring have proper equipt and neglected his patient causing him die.
it was Murrays Dangerous disreguard for his patient well being that was a direct cause of his death MJ's death
Click to expand...
 
I'm sure ER doctors used this substance when Michael was really ill, maybe during the trial...Michael wouldn't just get this idea from thin air and he would think this is dangerours, but if a doctor did it before he thought is safe...Murray was incompetent and didn't take the right measures...
 
It is rumoured he was given it during the history tour by ratner. no evidence it was used at any other time.mj sup told lee his dr ie murray told him it was safe to use. and its obviously safe used in the proper way considering its used 24/7 around the world.what happened was because of murray nothing else
 
Propofol has been used for the treatment of refractory insomania in clinical studies. I've read at least 2 medical papers on this. Those patients received propofol in hospital settings and under monitoring of anaesthetists. Doctors reported propofol very effective and safe if used appropriately. This just proves how negligent and incompetent Murray was.
 
I wonder if it was already published by the time Dr. Selma Calmes wrote the anesthesiology consultation asked by the coroner... Does anybody know?


Sorry, the post has duplicated. Can any mods erase the previous one, please?
 
the study can be downloaded at springerlink.com as a pdf file, it says the study was published online in nov 2010:


http://www.springerlink.com/content/q1383124j665v845/

Propofol-Induced Sleep: Efficacy and Safety in Patients with Refractory Chronic Primary Insomnia

Cell Biochemistry and Biophysics
Volume 60, Number 3, 161-166 (vol.60 no.3 2011. 6.14)

Original Paper:

Published online: 25 Nov 2010
Springer Science + Business Media, LLC 2010

Download PDF: http://www.springerlink.com/content/q1383124j665v845/fulltext.pdf
 
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