"Michael", a biopic about Michael Jackson, is officially happening.

The only way to get some songs from Destiny or Triumph to get recognition is to include them on “new“ albums. Many fans aren’t even aware of the existence of songs like time waits for no one because they are not credited as “Michael Jackson”. The short sightedness baffles me. The difference in streaming numbers between The Jacksons and solo MJ are laughably huge.
 
Like a biopic with an international release? I agree there is more the estate can do but judging by the sales of posthumous releases, new music isn't what the world wants.

Sadly, Michael is a legacy artist. Releasing songs that he only ever half finished is never going to generate buzz (whichever producer you have finishing it). And Michael never wanted those unfinished songs to be released anyway.
The biopic being released internationally would be fine, but that's not something that's actually new or creative for real. Michael's life story has actually been told time and time again, honestly. Most of the people around Michael struggled to even understand him. He knew 1000s of people but still always felt lonely. A lot of people I've talked to who also know him have admitted to me that they never really understood him. And these were other people he also talked to EVERY SINGLE DAY or worked with on albums/tours which meant they spent YEARS with him! This is just the way it was. That's why there's still so much "mystery" surrounding him now and why there was when he was alive.

A lot of the other famous people in the industry can't tell you anything about him for real or much beyond his surface. Michael enjoyed being around non-famous people and obscure people much more. However; we're not famous (obviously) so whatever we know can't really reach that many eyes like the famous can. I'm just hoping The Estate will actually cooperate with The Jacksons and avoid pissing the family off (which The Estate has a habit of doing) because The Jacksons at least know what Michael was like BEFORE he became The King Of Music. They know the Michael that I know who was just that wild kid from Gary, Indiana. 😂 Even though he distanced himself from them, too, they at least know the most important part of his life which is his childhood. The affects that our childhoods had on us meant everything to Michael. 💖

They can give more details and stories from his childhood that aren't all just his traumatic experiences, to actually help people understand Michael's personality. Most of his characteristics that made him so interesting and unique started back then or came about during his childhood stage. Him becoming a bookworm who studied the greats started when Mama Katherine would bring him books on things he was interested in. This is where that giant library of 10,000 books in his adulthood began. This is where "Study The Greats And Become Greater" began. Those details have often been completely ignored, glossed over, or entirely forgotten in his life stories.

People don't understand him because they've never paid any proper attention to his childhood (except the trauma) and this is what Michael had literally been begging for people to do more of. He just wished people would look closer at his beginnings because his childhood explains his depths.

I'm glad they're doing this project because at least it could be something more accessible, if they distribute it properly, but I know Michael so I know they won't have much to say. 🤷🏾‍♀️ Michael was prone to keeping his mouth shut a whole lot and holding most of the folks in the industry at arm's length. If they actually provide NEW information that the internet hasn't already seen, then that'll be lovely. If they don't, that's still fine and I won't be shocked or disappointed because it's expected. 💯

Also, the world does want new music. If they didn't, every leak and unreleased track that exists wouldn't keep being talked about literally every single day. This isn't just here either. The 100,000s of fans in the Reddit groups and the Facebook groups also have these discussions. Those groups are filled with people from all over the world. The problem is that, again, The Estate hasn't been following Michael's process like they're supposed to. As I mentioned before, that man had a whole system to how he got things done. 🥴

There's supposed to always be a high level of promotion before the albums even come out to create anticipation. Then, the albums should drop but the music is supposed to be pristine (they didn't do this with Michael and Xscape because they basically just threw the music together), and the fans could tell. 💀

Michael talked about his creative process all the time about HOW he made his music, he worked with 100s of people that The Estate can contact for notes, he had several teams who've seen him work so they've witnessed and heard many of his tricks to make his creations high quality. The Estate basically just hasn't done any of this or followed ANYTHING that Michael said about making his music. 🤣 They will never be able to make the music perfect the way he did, but the way they did that Michael album (The very FIRST thing that they put out) immediately showed me that they didn't even try. This is why I'M pissed because I know they're only doing half their job and I know that Michael would hate it. 🤷🏾‍♀️

Michael was an S-tier business man so he wouldn't mind The Estate doing what they have to do, this includes releasing his unfinished work, he would just want them to DO IT RIGHT. And they're not. Michael knew he was going to die soon around the late 2000s and he knew that meant his children and Mama Katherine were going to need his estate to make money for them. He knew his unreleased stuff probably couldn't stay unreleased forever. That's simply just logic and Michael wasn't a dummy thinking otherwise. 😂

Anyway, once an album releases, there should be at least 3 short films (or more if possible). The short films are also a part of Michael's promotional plans. The short films promote the album. They used to get released like huge movie premieres and people would say "Wtf has that Michael Jackson kid done now!? 👀" Then; they would watch his films in some grand releases, love them, and buy more of Michael's albums. 🤣

I'm telling y'all what Michael himself did, and everything he said, and it was a whole thing!

Finally; he would tour (which The Estate can replace this with "Making Of" documentaries because The Making Of Thriller back in 1983 sold over 10 Million copies, and people can't help but to be nosy to know HOW something was created. The documentary also helped to boost the sales of the Thriller album into the stratosphere. This was all planned and it's kind of like a 3 part system. Album, then Short Films, then Making Of or Global Tour. (And in that order.)

They *could* also try that hologram thing again to replicate tours if they want more money... but they'd really have to work on that thing to make it much better than it was. 😂 Michael touring was his LARGEST means of promotion because the tours were global. This was that "international distribution" method. 😌 But, if they can't get the hologram thing right, then "Making Of" documentaries can also be released internationally. Free clips can be put on social media and then people can buy the full films from The Estate, etc. The fans will, as always, take the free clips from online and make hella edits from them that go viral all over the place from their thousands of fan pages. How many MJ fan edits have you seen on the internet and how many views have they gotten? 🤭

Stuff like that.

The fan pages are basically the equivalent of the press always talking about Michael each time that man sneezed. Except, the media coverage from the fan pages is actually loving and kind. This is ALL literal FREE promotion for Michael and his art. Whether a person hates him or loves him, talking about Michael gives him free promo.

So, yeah, The Estate is only doing a mere portion of their job and Michael would be mad as hell. 💀

LMFAOAOAOOOO!! 🤣
 
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So, yeah, The Estate is only doing a mere portion of their job and Michael would be mad as hell. 💀
@Mister_Jay_Tee I hate that there's so much to explain about Michael and I always have to type out so much because I'm truly exhausted every single day. BUT, that's just what it was with Michael. 🤷🏾‍♀️

He had A LOT more to him than meets the eye, there's so much about him that people don't know, and it's impossible to explain everything in 1 tiny paragraph. 😭 I really wish it wasn't like that because it's a lot of work for me. 😕

But, it is what it is. Gotta do my job. 🕊

Michael was literally going to start doing all this himself after This Is It was over but, obviously, he didn't get that chance. 🙃
 
@PRINCESS MJ Please. Did you draft that in Microsoft Word? That thesis essay?
If you think what Michael has me doing now is a lot of reading and writing, imagine being directly connected to HIM! 😂 The bookworm himself. 💀 He loved to be out here reading NOVELS of 100s of pages from cover to cover for fun. 🤣

He wasn't so smart for no reason, you know?

He read and wrote A LOT, much more than I do, and then he'd always want to just have chit-chats about it all to exchange ideas. 😂

The pieces I have to write are actually SHORT in comparison to what Michael liked to do.

He would write letters to you BY HAND that were 3 FULL PAGES of loose leaf! LMFAOOO! 🤣 Some of his letters were long as hell! 💀 But, MAN, they were amazing to read because he could write his ass off. 🥴
 
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Also, the world does want new music.
I don't know about that. The general public don't pay much attention to new recordings by veteran artists like Paul McCartney, Rolling Stones, Sting, Madonna, etc. They make a lot of money touring, but they're mostly performing their decades old hits. Most of their fans aren't buying the new albums. The Beatles still sell more than any new albums Paul or Ringo has released in current times. The new stuff isn't played on the radio either. Classic rock stations don't play new songs and Top 40 only plays current generation artists, not boomer era ones. Only hardcore fans care about unreleased songs, the general public mostly. cares about hits. As I mentioned, Mike has a lot of material that is released from 1969 til 1984 that isn't given much attention, except a few songs like I Want You Back & Shake Your Body & songs from the Christmas album that is played on radio stations at the end of the year. He has 4 solo albums on Motown.
 
I don't know about that. The general public don't pay much attention to new recordings by veteran artists like Paul McCartney, Rolling Stones, Sting, Madonna, etc. They make a lot of money touring, but they're mostly performing their decades old hits. Most of their fans aren't buying the new albums. The Beatles still sell more than any new albums Paul or Ringo has released in current times. The new stuff isn't played on the radio either. Classic rock stations don't play new songs and Top 40 only plays current generation artists, not boomer era ones. Only hardcore fans care about unreleased songs, the general public mostly. cares about hits. As I mentioned, Mike has a lot of material that is released from 1969 til 1984 that isn't given much attention, except a few songs like I Want You Back & Shake Your Body & songs from the Christmas album that is played on radio stations at the end of the year. He has 4 solo albums on Motown.
You listed a lotta artists that are alive. Michael is dead.
 
I don't know about that. The general public don't pay much attention to new recordings by veteran artists like Paul McCartney, Rolling Stones, Sting, Madonna, etc. They make a lot of money touring, but they're mostly performing their decades old hits. Most of their fans aren't buying the new albums. The Beatles still sell more than any new albums Paul or Ringo has released in current times. The new stuff isn't played on the radio either. Classic rock stations don't play new songs and Top 40 only plays current generation artists, not boomer era ones. Only hardcore fans care about unreleased songs, the general public mostly. cares about hits. As I mentioned, Mike has a lot of material that is released from 1969 til 1984 that isn't given much attention, except a few songs like I Want You Back & Shake Your Body & songs from the Christmas album that is played on radio stations at the end of the year. He has 4 solo albums on Motown.
Everything you said is what marketing and promotion is for. That's why these elements were such a big focus for Michael and he studied them and he worked hard to master them. The methods of the artists you've listed have nothing to do with him though. 🤷🏾‍♀️

If their teams haven't created promotional methods to bring their new music to the new generations, or the ideas that they've tried haven't worked, then it's back to the drawing board. If they themselves haven't also done this, which they're supposed to do because artists shouldn't only rely on the promoters to promote them, then that's why things look the way they do for them. 🥴 Creators, business owners, and artists are supposed to improve our work in ways that can appeal to new audiences. That's part of our whole job. 💀

Marketing and promotion are the keys to the win. If that isn't done right then, no win. 😂

This is where all the being innovative comes in, adapting to the changes of the industry, etc. You know? All the aspects of business that come with being an artist. ✨️ We're supposed to study what's currently doing well and incorporate those elements, things like that. I don't know if you run a company but if you do, then you know all that already. These are just the things I've learned from owning my company over these last 15 years or so. Michael also learned all of these things, and he constantly did them, which was why he became so big like he is. It all works together.

But, you're definitely right that it's difficult to do. 💯 That's why it's great that at least appealing to the fans that Michael already has with new creations is exactly what Michael would want The Estate to do. Michael has BILLIONS of fans all over this planet. Plenty of Michael fans are all over the earth IF The Estate ACTUALLY followed Michael's creative process or his plans. 😂

I agree with you that all the older stuff before Thriller isn't focused on. And that's a shame because correcting that is what the labels and The Estate are supposed to do. It's their job to promote and all of that, as I mentioned.

Unfortunately, if the labels don't help promote then artists might struggle pushing out. This goes for every artist which is why many today dislike their labels, and why Michael spoke on the ways that the labels hurt their artists. 💖
 
You listed a lotta artists that are alive. Michael is dead.
That's the point. If people aren't interested in artists who are still recording and releasing new music, why would they be interested in some old undreleased songs by a long deceased artist. It's not like those albums of unreleased songs by Elvis Presley, Prince, John Lennon, or Little Richard got a lot of attention. If a band who has not existed since 1970 (The Beatles) can outsell new albums by still living members, that means the mainstream audience are not checking for them. There's an old joke that says when an old artist performs a new song in concert, that's when people go to get snacks or use the restroom. 😄 Even with Mike the only after death song that got a lot of radio play had Justin Timberlake on it, who was currently popular at the time. Paul McCartney got a hit by appearing on a song with Rihanna & Kanye West.
 
You listed a lotta artists that are alive. Michael is dead.
I forgot to say this but this is also a huge point. Michael would've been doing so much cool stuff if he was still alive. That's why leaving Sony was so good for him. He was going to have EVEN MORE creative freedom.

Then, of course, they destroyed him with the trial and then killed him. 😕 He didn't even get to truly enjoy his time of no longer being held back by Sony's grip for even a few years. 😕
 
That's the point. If people aren't interested in artists who are still recording and releasing new music, why would they be interested in some old undreleased songs by a long deceased artist. It's not like those albums of unreleased songs by Elvis Presley, Prince, John Lennon, or Little Richard got a lot of attention. If a band who has not existed since 1970 (The Beatles) can outsell new albums by still living members, that means the mainstream audience are not checking for them. There's an old joke that says when an old artist performs a new song in concert, that's when people go to get snacks or use the restroom. 😄 Even with Mike the only after death song that got a lot of radio play had Justin Timberlake on it, who was currently popular at the time. Paul McCartney got a hit by appearing on a song with Rihanna & Kanye West.
You see how you said that the song that did well for him since his death is the one that had Justin on it?? THAT'S marketing and promotion done properly! Collaborations are a part of Michael's creative plans. 🙃

I said earlier that The Estate were doing things (almost) right at first, the way Michael wanted, and THEN they just stopped and starting messing sh¡t up. 💀 LMFAOOOOO!

Michael worked with many great artists for a reason. The Estate is supposed to do that!
 
You see how you said that the song that did well for him since his death is the one that had Justin on it?? THAT'S marketing and promotion done properly! Collaborations are a part of Michael's creative plans. 🙃
Really? I seem to recall people on this site complaining about Drake using Mike's voice on a track. But that song was a hit. Some also did not like Invincible or the remixes with acts Fergie which are things Mike actually released himself.
 
Really? I seem to recall people on this site complaining about Drake using Mike's voice on a track. But that song was a hit. Some also did not like Invincible or the remixes with acts Fergie which are things Mike actually released himself.
I’m not sure I understand your point. The formula used for Drake was the same formula used for Justin; a duet/feature that was a hit. What does fans not liking the Drake track have to do with the point that MJ’s Princess made?

I‘m not trying to shut you down by the way. I’m genuinely confused 🤔
 
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Really? I seem to recall people on this site complaining about Drake using Mike's voice on a track. But that song was a hit. Some also did not like Invincible or the remixes with acts Fergie which are things Mike actually released himself.
I read a lot of those reviews and those people who didn't like that Drake song didn't like it because it was done poorly. But, The Estate was at least doing their job a bit by collaborating with a popular artist. 🤷🏾‍♀️ Unfortunately, it was done poorly. You can't just work with ANYBODY, you have to work with the right people who can help you create great work. Again, this is where it's important to actually know and understand how Michael did things. 🤣

This is where the perfectionism comes in. There's a difference between the quality of "Love Never Felt So Good" with Justin in 2014 (back when they acted like they were at least trying to do things the way Michael would've wanted) compared to "Don't Matter To Me" with Drake in 2018 (long after they just started messing stuff up). 💀 "Love Never Felt So Good" was closer to how Michael collaborated.

Michael always tried to work with The Best in order to try to produce The Best when it came to his brand new albums. When Michael was alive, nobody that Michael has collaborated with on his big albums was just any-old-anybody. And this also included quality. Quality was the biggest thing. He was extremely picky and he was bringing the big dogs into the studio and THEN the whole team needed to create PERFECTION and nothing less. 😂 All you have to do is listen to all the interviews from those who worked with him talk about what it was like to work with him on his projects. That man was never playing and nothing was a game. Michael wanted excellence when you worked with him, and if it wasn't, then we're starting over or doing it again or keeping at it until it's right. 🤣 Working with him in any way was the most incredible opportunity any artist could have because everybody knew that the things he created needed to be FIRE. Other perfectionists and creators like me loved all that lol.

Remixes with artists were always just something to do. His original songs with the features and his main albums were usually his primary focus. Many of those extra albums sometimes happened just because Michael was contractually obligated to release them or they were released on his behalf. Nothing he could do about that. That was simply part of the job. 🤷🏾‍♀️ Collaborating with Michael on one of his MAIN albums as a feature that included all of his other marketing techniques sitting behind it, was any artist's true goal. 🤣 An artist was lucky to be on any remix album, but those main features were massive opportunities.

The Invincible album is one of the best selling albums of that time. Artists and creators of all kinds would slap our own mama for a chance to have over 10,000,000 sold while also not having proper support or promotion like Michael didn't have at the time. Many can only dream of that. LMFAO! 😂
 
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I’m not sure I understand your point. The formula used for Drake was the same formula used for Justin; a duet/feature that was a hit. What does fans not liking the Drake track have to do with the point that MJ’s Princess made?

I‘m not trying to shut you down by the way. I’m genuinely confused 🤔
You're also 100% right. If the Drake song was still a hit, then they did their job the way they should've lol. I don't know all the details on the Drake song itself in terms of the numbers though. I've got enough on my plate when it comes to the work that Michael left behind. 🥴

However: high quality was still the name of the game for Michael, so if the fans thought that the Drake song was done poorly then that was supposed to just be a learning lesson for next time to try and do better with their next collaboration. That's not only a part of the job, but also simply a part of life lol. 💖
 
Really? I seem to recall people on this site complaining about Drake using Mike's voice on a track. But that song was a hit. Some also did not like Invincible or the remixes with acts Fergie which are things Mike actually released himself.
The "last" Beatles song became a top 10 Hit literally just a year ago. Xscape went number 1 in multiple countries. MJ has gotten Two top 10 hits in the 2010s. There is interest and there is a chance for success. Especially if they make a duets album.

MJ in the last years of his life unfortunately was not quite looked at fondly. Post This Is It though, the potential would've only gotten better.
 
That's the point. If people aren't interested in artists who are still recording and releasing new music, why would they be interested in some old undreleased songs by a long deceased artist. It's not like those albums of unreleased songs by Elvis Presley, Prince, John Lennon, or Little Richard got a lot of attention. If a band who has not existed since 1970 (The Beatles) can outsell new albums by still living members, that means the mainstream audience are not checking for them. There's an old joke that says when an old artist performs a new song in concert, that's when people go to get snacks or use the restroom. 😄 Even with Mike the only after death song that got a lot of radio play had Justin Timberlake on it, who was currently popular at the time. Paul McCartney got a hit by appearing on a song with Rihanna & Kanye West.
People do not appreciate people until they're gone.
 
People do not appreciate people until they're gone.
With Prince, it's still The Revolution era records that get the most attention today. Purple Rain in particular. It surely isn't any of the albums Prince released after he changed his name to the symbol, lol. People in general are interested in popular hits or songs they heard on the radio, not everything an artist released. Like I said in another thread, most today people aren't checking for Little Stevie Wonder albums. Or his later records like Jungle Fever either. It's primarily Stevie's 1970s albums that get the most attention and media attention. Maybe the late 1960s in a Greatest Hits compilation, not so much the original 1960s albums. Many people are not checking for the pre-Rumours lineup Fleetwood Mac stuff either. Such as their early blues records with Peter Green. I don't think that many people even know Journey has 3 or 4 albums before Steve Perry joined, when they were a prog rock band.
 
With Prince, it's still The Revolution era records that get the most attention today. Purple Rain in particular. It surely isn't any of the albums Prince released after he changed his name to the symbol, lol. People in general are interested in popular hits or songs they heard on the radio, not everything an artist released. Like I said in another thread, most today people aren't checking for Little Stevie Wonder albums. Or his later records like Jungle Fever either. It's primarily Stevie's 1970s albums that get the most attention and media attention. Maybe the late 1960s in a Greatest Hits compilation, not so much the original 1960s albums. Many people are not checking for the pre-Rumours lineup Fleetwood Mac stuff either. Such as their early blues records with Peter Green. I don't think that many people even know Journey has 3 or 4 albums before Steve Perry joined, when they were a prog rock band.
I disagree with your point overall and your examples are predominantly bad. But that's enough
 
I feel like this thread is drifting away from the main subject (the biopic). People are discussing topics unrelated to the film. Please continue those discussions in other threads or via DMs. Let’s get back on topic.
It's much much farther away than drifted but that's what people intend. When they resent this film they come in and disrupt the topic.
 
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