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Those tattoos removals and cuts along with the other stuff that has been said previously, it’s not a surprise that some fans think she has turned her back on MJ and perhaps believes a lot of the stuff that has been said about him.

It’s 100% not beyond the realms of possibility we need to be honest. She strikes me as the type to suddenly come out with he’s not my father blah blah and he was this and that.

Prince on the other hand adores MJ.
 
Blues_Away2023 said:
Those tattoos removals and cuts along with the other stuff that has been said previously, it’s not a surprise that some fans think she has turned her back on MJ and perhaps believes a lot of the stuff that has been said about him.

It’s 100% not beyond the realms of possibility we need to be honest. She strikes me as the type to suddenly come out with he’s not my father blah blah and he was this and that.

Prince on the other hand adores MJ.
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For the fans who don't read much on social media, they really don't know how cryptic and strange Omer and Paris are behaving. They were together last year in a rehab for mentally ill people and trauma recovery.
some of his tweets really are weirdly worded as if he's sending cryptic messages or something. It's natural for people to wonder, especially when he mostly tweets in this manner after something related to Michael goes viral. And please dont be rude to me ITS ALL BEGAN WITH LEAVING NEVERLAND!!! Im thinking that the Estate made a NDA with omer, It also explains why he has such wealth without success and everything
Ps: Kelley im Not a guilter im a Fan since 1990 (I was Born 88). but I understand interpersonal actions very well
 
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It hurts to see these pictures, but still no proof that she has turned on him. There can be a thousand reasons why. I just hope she will find her way in life and doesn't keep on harming herself... people here need to understand that you can't just assume things. You are not walking in her shoes.

See, when I was younger (I am not so old, but...well :sneaky:) I often jumped to conclusions. Then I discovered background information and suddenly everything appeared in a totally different light. I guess, everyone here made similar experiences, so keep that in mind.

I think she's a very complex, empathic person who had to deal with a lot in her past and carries that weight with her...so please...we do not have to have the same opinions, but I wish for some more empathy and respect.

And yes, still off topic, but this really bothers me.
 
Harun said:
For the fans who don't read much on social media, they really don't know how cryptic and strange Omer and Paris are behaving. They were together last year in a rehab for mentally ill people and trauma recovery.
some of his tweets really are weirdly worded as if he's sending cryptic messages or something. It's natural for people to wonder, especially when he mostly tweets in this manner after something related to Michael goes viral. And please dont be rude to me ITS ALL BEGAN WITH LEAVING NEVERLAND!!! Im thinking that the Estate made a NDA with omer, It also explains why he has such wealth without success and everything
Ps: Kelley im Not a guilter im a Fan since 1990 (I was Born 88). but I understand interpersonal actions very well
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to be honest you really sound like someone from that lunatic guilters subreddit.

i know i have said for one that Paris behavior concerns me but all these theories about third parties (Omer) are bizzarre. didn't he literally tweet to stop making outlandish conjectures about what he post, anyway?
 
I want to take a step back from my previous comments regarding Paris. Seeing that photo really shocked me — she has clearly struggled in ways we will never comprehend.
It made me reflect: who am I — or who are we as fans — to judge her? She lost her father in the most public, painful way imaginable and has had to grow up under a microscope. If she has concerns about the biopic or anything else, she’s entitled to express them — even if it’s not the best PR move.

Using that picture to shame her or make her look bad is so tasteless. That crosses a line. I'm out!

At the end of the day, I feel nothing but compassion for her. Let’s be kinder.
 
Zizzistar said:
to be honest you really sound like someone from that lunatic guilters subreddit.

i know i have said for one that Paris behavior concerns me but all these theories about third parties (Omer) are bizzarre. didn't he literally tweet to stop making outlandish conjectures about what he post, anyway?
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I'm anything but Not a guilter When I saw Leaving Neverland, I was very, very confused for a few days. Maybe I thought there was something to it, but they calmed down. But what can I do if, for the past five years, I've only been getting confirmation that Paris and Omer think he's guilty? That doesn't mean I think the same about him. Imagine posting something about the anniversary of MJ's death on EVERY birthday, and then stopping after Leaving Neverland? You start cutting him out of photos. Right when he needs you the most? With fans, we've been busting our asses.
 
She would never publicly turn against her father for fear of fans' hatred if it were so
 
some of you have a deep, disgusting online para-social relationship with MJ and his kids to a level that should have you banned from forums. this paris shit is a blip in the production history of this film and once you see the movie and are ever even reminded of this senseless drama, the post nut clarity is gonna hit you like a truck and you’ll realize how stupid all of this is. wait for the ****** movie and judge it then. this shit is worse than the useless and baseless rumors about avengers: doomsday.
 
Harun said:
She removed the MJ sign on her Finger and cut herself where the dangerous tattoo is. WHO is now the liar?
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She explained that she got it done when she was 18 by someone who did a poor job, so she changed it into something else.

So YOU are the liar.


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Zizzistar said:
anyways, people who are still excited for this movie baffles me. at worst, it will cement the idea of him as guilty/a monster in people's mind (after all, a trial follow it quickly) at best, it will be a completely mediocre piece where no one else but John Branca's pockets benefits from that.

i hope all of you enjoy the next couple of years.
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You just joined a few days ago and ALL your posts are trying to convince people that Paris has turned on MJ
 
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Harun said:
So Friedmann was very Right. And our personal Diane Diamond / Gloria Allred aka @kelley is now accusing me of being a guilter lol
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You are posting the same shit guilters are now posting all over the place as we speak.

The exact same screenshots.

Where did you get them from? If not from that reddit sub?
 
Harun said:
For the fans who don't read much on social media, they really don't know how cryptic and strange Omer and Paris are behaving. They were together last year in a rehab for mentally ill people and trauma recovery.
some of his tweets really are weirdly worded as if he's sending cryptic messages or something.
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Omer has responded to people like you Harun. You think he's sending cryptic messages because you WANT that to be true.


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Harun said:
It's natural for people to wonder, especially when he mostly tweets in this manner after something related to Michael goes viral. And please dont be rude to me ITS ALL BEGAN WITH LEAVING NEVERLAND!!!
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Nothing began with Leaving Neverland, it's all in your mind.

Omer spoke out on Paris Facebook show AFTER Leaving Neverland came out and he only had nice things to say about Michael as usual.


Harun said:
Im thinking that the Estate made a NDA with omer,
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I'm thinking you made this up because you want it to be true.


Harun said:
It also explains why he has such wealth without success and everything
Ps: Kelley im Not a guilter im a Fan since 1990 (I was Born 88). but I understand interpersonal actions very well
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To those of you who care THIS^ is also one of the talking points guilters have been spreading about Omer. That he is (allegedly) wealthy only because he was paid off.

Theres no proof he's wealthy anyway. He posts the usual shit that every millennial posts on social media if they have a job, which im sure he does.
 
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Harun said:
She removed the MJ sign on her Finger and cut herself where the dangerous tattoo is. WHO is now the liar?

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Paris already denied that the cuts on her tattoo were because she resents her father, how many times does she have to deny it? At this point I can only believe that people who still claim she hates her father clearly just want her to hate him.


mjfanboy27 said:
She would never publicly turn against her father for fear of fans' hatred if it were so
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Then clearly you don't know Paris very well. If Paris hated her father, she would just say so, she has never been afraid to upset the fans, as we just saw with her recent instagram posts, which were about the biopic, not about the allegations or her love for her father.

She does not have to prove that she loves her father, for God's sakes! As if having that many tattoos of him isn't proof enough... Funny how she removes one little tattoo and guilters just ignore all the other tattoos that she still has!
 
etoile 37 said:
Paris already denied that the cuts on her tattoo were because she resents her father, how many times does she have to deny it? At this point I can only believe that people who still claim she hates her father clearly just want her to hate him.



Then clearly you don't know Paris very well. If Paris hated her father, she would just say so, she has never been afraid to upset the fans, as we just saw with her recent instagram posts, which were about the biopic, not about the allegations or her love for her father.

She does not have to prove that she loves her father, for God's sakes! As if having that many tattoos of him isn't proof enough... Funny how she removes one little tattoo and guilters just ignore all the other tattoos that she still has!
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THANK YOU for the video.

Notice the date is June 2020, way AFTER Leaving Neverland.

And also notice in the video she stated the last time she cut herself was 2 years before, so 2018, BEFORE Leaving Neverland came out.

So Again Harun is LYING.

Also Omer appeared on this facebook show with Paris AFTER Leaving Neverland had reared it's ugly head. And only had positive things to say about MJ.

You can watch it here.

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1BDPVpDCHN/
 
Blues_Away2023 said:
Those tattoos removals and cuts along with the other stuff that has been said previously, it’s not a surprise that some fans think she has turned her back on MJ and perhaps believes a lot of the stuff that has been said about him.

It’s 100% not beyond the realms of possibility we need to be honest. She strikes me as the type to suddenly come out with he’s not my father blah blah and he was this and that.

Prince on the other hand adores MJ.
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The tattoos weren't removed. The only one that was removed was the Bad tattoo which was removed around the same time as her Prince tattoo and very well could be a branding/copyright issue since she is a model.

And Instead of you speculating about the cuts and allowing yourself to be brainwashed by guilter talking points, why not do some research to see Paris actually said about the cuts?

This video is from 2020, over a year after LN came out.


Paris states that she has cuts all over her body, not just on the mj tattoo, She also pointed out that she has a total of 7 mj tattoos and only one of them just so happens to have a scar on it.

She says the cuts have nothing to do with MJ or the Tattoos. She struggled with self harm for years and once again had cuts all over.

She also states in that video that the last time she cut herself was 2 years before (and she did NOT say the last cuts were on the mj tattoo) That's more proof the cuts had nothing to do with Leaving Neverland since she stopped cutting before anyone even knew about it.

CONTEXT matters, now if you choose to believe the carefully crafted narrative the Guilters have created by taking things out of context and creating claims out of thin air, that's on YOU.

But you have been educated. So if you continue to legitimize their false narratives. We will know what your true colors are.
 
On a positive note, all signs point to a possible trailer drop sometime aroubd Halloween 🎃 Prince might show it during his Heal LA Thriller night thingie 😍
 
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kelley said:
You just joined a few days ago and ALL your posts are trying to convince people that Paris has turned on MJ
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i'm not a guilter if that's what you are implying. Just a bitter fan. fighting for Michael is a disheartening and thankless job and if his own kin can't bother to clear speculations that guilters themselves then use to make fans sound delusional then what are we even doing with our time?

it's fans doing the hard lifting to clear narratives, support the work and take action when MJ's own family and greedy estate won't. it's fans, very often, doing the hard lifting for those same family and estate as well. and what do we get in return?

you can disagree, but i think i'm allowed to vent. but anyway, I'm tired talking in circles.
 
Zizzistar said:
i'm not a guilter if that's what you are implying. Just a bitter fan. fighting for Michael is a disheartening and thankless job and if his own kin can't bother to clear speculations that guilters themselves then use to make fans sound delusional then what are we even doing with our time?

it's fans doing the hard lifting to clear narratives, support the work and take action when MJ's own family and greedy estate won't. it's fans, very often, doing the hard lifting for those same family and estate as well. and what do we get in return?

you can disagree, but i think i'm allowed to vent. but anyway, I'm tired talking in circles.
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I understand your frustration, but suggesting Paris turned on MJ without any real evidence is only playing into the guilters hands more.
 
We tend to go round in circles in derailed threads as some fans struggle to distinguish that you can criticise the point without disparaging the person making the point.

I think fans would also benefit from rethinking their blind acceptance of anything MJ related, some things are logically indefensible, and it doesn't make one less of a fan.

You can go round in circles all you want trying to justify the can of worms PJ has opened, it doesn't change the fact that her comments have left MJ open to the critics about the allegations and she could have easily avoided that but chose not to through her choice of words. She gave them that one for free and I do find it indefensible (amongst many of the other things I listed in a previous post). Doesn't mean I have no compassion for her terrible personal struggles, but also doesn't mean I will gloss over her problematic comments because of them.

For someone who claims to want nothing to do with the biopic she has firmly planted herself right in it, now when the biopic is released her comments will be dragged up to justify whatever point anyone wants to make against MJ in the biopic.
 
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MJ TinkerBell said:
:rolleyes: :unsure:(n) Are you on your own personal CRUSADE again and btw this Thread is about a Topic not for belittling others and to
completely derail it so you can do it to get your anger out in it instead!
This is not the first time you accused innocent people and were 100% wrong!
I have to say it but I feel your bullying other people you don't LIKE on here again and it is 100% unacceptable here or anywhere for any kind of mob mentality!
👉It is not your job, not your place, not your site, and 100% not your decision on who gets banned here no matter how many others you ensight to agree with you and gang up with you! Even more insulting is YOUR labeling of them which is uncalled for and disrespectful!
Why should we agree with your behaviour, like are you for real!
Do you really think justifying your hurtful comments by going in on anyone in a Thread because you can is somehow ok?

How would Michael feel about how you treat HIS FANS not yours when we ALL come here, to love and share and connect together for HIM!
The way you are coming off is really aggressive and scary to me personally, if I was a new member here and I saw the way you are posting in threads towards others I would be terrified no horrified 100%. Would they feel the MJ LOVE of being here from you as an example by your own words and actions?? You should think about that seriously!
I told you before I do not like BULLY'S or tactics and I will stand up for those that I feel are being bullied I just wish it was not you repeatedly offending.

The only power you have is to report Harun for their mistakes or errors that you feel are wrong that is it no problem and it is Gaz who will decide!
You know as we all do that NO ONE but GAZ has the power to make that decision and ban anyone or even to threaten that statement on this site, NOT you, or I or anyone but Gaz, period. So follow what Gaz said to do with the power he has given to YOU and all of us in this community, because why should MODS deal with issues between GROWN UPS right!

👉You can report it or them!
👉You can ignore it or them!
👉You can avoid it or them!
👉You can block it or them!
👉You can LEAVE as well!

❌You DO NOT however get to insult anyone by YOUR labeling of them with negative and derogitory names and call YOURSELF a protector of this LOVING MICHAEL JACKSON Community. You have no power to ask others to join your WITCH HUNTS to vaildate who you are here, or do you need it?? Every Michael Jackson Fan here or anywhere is just as important as YOU are!

📌🧮 Just in case you were not aware but Hiker taught me this very important lesson about protecting this community! Your derailing posts in Threads makes the MODS jobs even harder to clean them up and they have enough to worry about besides cleaning up offending posts, you make so have some respect for them as well when you do this type of harrassent of others! Stick to the topics not your axes Thanks!

@Hiker Thanks for reporting. I can cleanup the thread, but its too many pages, and offending posts mixed with proper posts. I have said this repeatedly, replying to such posts just creates even more mess that makes it even harder to cleanup.
If you report offending posts and ignore, instead of replying to the poster, it's much easier to cleanup.

"Do better if you are better if you want to be better!" is what I always say!

P.S: If you would like to start ganging up on me I am right here and as I promised you that if you are bullying others I would be calling you out and reporting you everytime if people need defending from you that come here to show their love for Michael so let's ALL defend US together and not attack your brothers and sisters in the way your doing it is wrong is all I am saying!
Follow Gaz's instructions and regulations and you will be doing it the RIGHT way!

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I really don't get all these overreactions about Kelley, nothing I've seen from her seem to warrant people becoming this pissed at her.
What has she done to you ? 😅
 
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