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"Michael", a biopic about Michael Jackson, is officially happening.

someplace_else said:
Ich hoffe irgendwie, dass sie nichts zeigen, was mit seinen letzten Tagen/Wochen, seiner Situation usw. zu tun hat. … Ich stimme zu, dass es ein großartiges Ende sein könnte und die Leute über die ganze Situation nachdenken lassen würde, aber gleichzeitig will ich das wirklich nicht sehen, vor allem nicht auf der großen Kinoleinwand.😶‍🌫️
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I feel exactly the same way as you. Michael Mania starts in April. We should be excited and enjoy it (Google Translate:))
 
No its starts in Feb in full swing with that 1st full trailor! Plus i expect promo to start firing on all cylinders from then on.
I dont expect too much from bbc uk but they have a 3 parter on Michael this must be part of the promo.
 
Mariab said:
3. Obstacles to Recanting
  • Emancipation and Agency: Chandler was legally emancipated from his parents in 1994 at age 14 and independently filed additional complaints against Jackson in 1998. A retraction now would require him to argue that he was coerced into lying not just once as a child, but repeatedly as an adult, which would be difficult to prove legally.
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It might actually be easy for him to claim his father threatened him with violence even as an adult, given the fact that there are court documents where he says his father pepper-sprayed him, choked him and hit his head with a 12-pound weight.

someplace_else said:
I kinda hope they don't show anything related to his last days/weeks, the situation he was in etc. ...I agree it could be a great ending and would make people think about the whole situation but at the same time I really don't want to see that, especially not an a big movie screen 😶‍🌫️
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I think from seeing all those graphic, disrespectful documentaries about his last days, we are imagining the scene worse than it would actually be. They wouldn't need to show needles and catheters, and they could easily hide the arm that has the IV by filming from the right angle. All they would have to show is Michael falling asleep while Murray is sitting next to an IV. That's it really, he just fell asleep. (And then Murray left the room instead of monitoring him as he should have...)

Same thing for the recording while he was drugged, they obviously would not make his voice as slurred as it was on the recording, because they need the viewers to be able to understand the words he's saying, so he would just sound a little bit groggy / sleepy, not to the point that it would be humiliating or dehumanizing. I don't think a scene showing Michael slowly drifting off to sleep while talking about how much he cares about children would be too graphic, at least not for me. I understand however that some fans find it hard to even think about his death, because it is so sad...

People keep saying that they don't want the biopic to be a whitewash or a paint-by-numbers biopic, but seeing here that some people are uncomfortable with seeing Michael drugged, I am wondering, which moments did you want to see included that would make the biopic more than a whitewash / paint-by-numbers? Like for example, is it just during his final days that you don't want to see him drugged? Or do you want the movie not to show him in a drugged state during his 1993 painkiller addiction too? What about him being given propofol during the History tour, do you want them to show that? One thing I would really want to see is the first doctor who suggested to give him propofol to sleep. Michael was not a doctor, he did not come up with that idea on his own. I want them to show that doctor who assured him it was safe when it was not and how he caused Michael's death as much as Murray did, because Michael would never have asked Murray to use propofol on him if he had never been told by that first doctor that it was okay to use it to sleep.

As for the 1993 painkiller addiction, I feel that the way it connects to the settlement is too often ignored. The media loves to mention the settlement and they love to call him a drug addict, but they never talk about the fact that the two happened in the same time period. We saw how the 2005 trial nearly killed him (he couldn't eat because he was throwing up, by the end Michael weighed only 94 pounds and he was so dehydrated that the doctor who treated him said that if he had waited 12 more hours, he would have been dead). But in 1993, he was in no better shape to survive a trial, and people often forget how bad he was before he agreed to the settlement. Showing how severely his health was deteriorating would certainly help people understand why he ended up agreeing to a settlement to put an end to it. His lawyers told him that if he didn't settle, it could go on for 7 years, and Michael would not have survived 7 years of that... But how would people here feel about the biopic showing what state Michael was in during that period of time? How would you feel about this kind of scenes being included (from Karen Faye's testimony in the AEG trial):

Q: There was a time on the tour you discovered Michael had been given too many drugs and couldn’t perform. What did you learn?

A: Yes. Michael came into the dressing room. He was stumbling. He had a hard time walking. He actually fell over a potted plant/tree. Dr. Forcast was there. I told him: Michael can’t go on. He has to enter on a toaster. Toasters are very small. You have to curl up and be shot out of it. He could lose an arm. I’m seeing Michael in this state and I said you can’t put him in this position. I feared for his safety. I feared for his life. I told Dr. Forcast: You can’t. You can’t make him go out there like this. I put my arms around Michael and said: You can’t take him. And he said: Yes I can. He put his hands around my neck, backed me against the wall and said: You don’t know what you're doing. I couldn’t breathe. I almost fainted. I fell to the floor. He grabbed Michael and took him off to the stage.

Q: Did that show eventually get cancelled?

A: Yes sir.

Q: Were there other shows in that tour that were cancelled because Michael Jackson was unable to perform?

A: Yes.

Q: Did there come a time in that tour when you felt Michael was getting worse?

A: Yes. Michael was under a lot of stress at that time because that’s when the first child allegations were made public. (becoming emotional) And Michael had to go on stage every night, literally with the whole world thinking he was a pedophile. He had to stand up through all of that slander and all of those things. The visible pain this had — He had to perform and be up there. To this day, I don’t know how he did that.
 
Blues_Away2023 said:
Off topic but here in the UK , currently showing on channel 5 - the trial of Michael Jackson . **** off with this garbage. They’re showing some real dodgy trial reenactments etc.
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I literally just came across the free version of this program , it pissed me off just seeing the screenshots and reading what it was about

Really cash cowing off the upcoming movie grrrr
 
etoile 37 said:
It might actually be easy for him to claim his father threatened him with violence even as an adult, given the fact that there are court documents where he says his father pepper-sprayed him, choked him and hit his head with a 12-pound weight.


I think from seeing all those graphic, disrespectful documentaries about his last days, we are imagining the scene worse than it would actually be. They wouldn't need to show needles and catheters, and they could easily hide the arm that has the IV by filming from the right angle. All they would have to show is Michael falling asleep while Murray is sitting next to an IV. That's it really, he just fell asleep. (And then Murray left the room instead of monitoring him as he should have...)

Same thing for the recording while he was drugged, they obviously would not make his voice as slurred as it was on the recording, because they need the viewers to be able to understand the words he's saying, so he would just sound a little bit groggy / sleepy, not to the point that it would be humiliating or dehumanizing. I don't think a scene showing Michael slowly drifting off to sleep while talking about how much he cares about children would be too graphic, at least not for me. I understand however that some fans find it hard to even think about his death, because it is so sad...

People keep saying that they don't want the biopic to be a whitewash or a paint-by-numbers biopic, but seeing here that some people are uncomfortable with seeing Michael drugged, I am wondering, which moments did you want to see included that would make the biopic more than a whitewash / paint-by-numbers? Like for example, is it just during his final days that you don't want to see him drugged? Or do you want the movie not to show him in a drugged state during his 1993 painkiller addiction too? What about him being given propofol during the History tour, do you want them to show that? One thing I would really want to see is the first doctor who suggested to give him propofol to sleep. Michael was not a doctor, he did not come up with that idea on his own. I want them to show that doctor who assured him it was safe when it was not and how he caused Michael's death as much as Murray did, because Michael would never have asked Murray to use propofol on him if he had never been told by that first doctor that it was okay to use it to sleep.

As for the 1993 painkiller addiction, I feel that the way it connects to the settlement is too often ignored. The media loves to mention the settlement and they love to call him a drug addict, but they never talk about the fact that the two happened in the same time period. We saw how the 2005 trial nearly killed him (he couldn't eat because he was throwing up, by the end Michael weighed only 94 pounds and he was so dehydrated that the doctor who treated him said that if he had waited 12 more hours, he would have been dead). But in 1993, he was in no better shape to survive a trial, and people often forget how bad he was before he agreed to the settlement. Showing how severely his health was deteriorating would certainly help people understand why he ended up agreeing to a settlement to put an end to it. His lawyers told him that if he didn't settle, it could go on for 7 years, and Michael would not have survived 7 years of that... But how would people here feel about the biopic showing what state Michael was in during that period of time? How would you feel about this kind of scenes being included (from Karen Faye's testimony in the AEG trial):

Q: There was a time on the tour you discovered Michael had been given too many drugs and couldn’t perform. What did you learn?

A: Yes. Michael came into the dressing room. He was stumbling. He had a hard time walking. He actually fell over a potted plant/tree. Dr. Forcast was there. I told him: Michael can’t go on. He has to enter on a toaster. Toasters are very small. You have to curl up and be shot out of it. He could lose an arm. I’m seeing Michael in this state and I said you can’t put him in this position. I feared for his safety. I feared for his life. I told Dr. Forcast: You can’t. You can’t make him go out there like this. I put my arms around Michael and said: You can’t take him. And he said: Yes I can. He put his hands around my neck, backed me against the wall and said: You don’t know what you're doing. I couldn’t breathe. I almost fainted. I fell to the floor. He grabbed Michael and took him off to the stage.

Q: Did that show eventually get cancelled?

A: Yes sir.

Q: Were there other shows in that tour that were cancelled because Michael Jackson was unable to perform?

A: Yes.

Q: Did there come a time in that tour when you felt Michael was getting worse?

A: Yes. Michael was under a lot of stress at that time because that’s when the first child allegations were made public. (becoming emotional) And Michael had to go on stage every night, literally with the whole world thinking he was a pedophile. He had to stand up through all of that slander and all of those things. The visible pain this had — He had to perform and be up there. To this day, I don’t know how he did that.
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Good question...I can only speak for myself and I can say it's okay to see or read something about these things, when it's more "documentary style", so not too many emotions connected. So in case they display it as facts without showing "Michael" suffer, that would be ok, I guess?

What's too much for me is when it's his real voice or when I see the "real Michael" in a bad way....so don't know how immersed I will be into the movie, because it's Jaafar and not Michael and no idea how my brain will wire these things 💁.

Rosa57 said:
I feel exactly the same way as you. Michael Mania starts in April. We should be excited and enjoy it (Google Translate:))
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It was so weird to read my comment in German, in a completely different writing style that I would use - confused me for a second 😅
 
Mariab said:
Oh, I definitely get that. I wish there was a way for this to have been produced without the estate's involvement. That way, they wouldn't have been contractually obligated to cut out and reshoot so many scenes. I *still* think they can *touch* on the subject without going into great detail. I read the contract provided by another kind user (Thank you so much!), and I believe that they can sort of say "accusations of abuse". The term "abuse" is broad and can refer to various things, not just child m*lestati0n. We'll see. I am saddened that the reshoots happened and will forever wonder why Jordan doesn't come clean about what happened. He's an adult now, and as traumatic as the experience was for him, he can still do the right thing and clear this mess up.

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It's improbable that Jordan will ever do the right thing because of the reasons listed below.
Legally, Jordan Chandler could attempt to retract his 1993 abuse claims (and wouldn't that be nice, that would ensure we got to see the initial shootings for the biopic in the future), but doing so would carry significant legal and financial risks due to the terms of his 1994 settlement and California law.

1. The Confidentiality Agreement
The 1994 civil settlement, valued at approximately $23 million, included a strict confidentiality agreement.
  • Binding Nature: This agreement binds Chandler and his heirs indefinitely, meaning Michael Jackson's death in 2009 did not release him from its terms.
  • Consequences of Breach: If Chandler were to publicly retract his claims (or even discuss them), Jackson’s estate could sue him for breach of contract. This could lead to a court ordering him to return some or all of the original settlement money plus legal fees.

2. Risk of Perjury Charges
If Chandler were to admit under oath that he lied in 1993, he could theoretically face perjury charges.
  • The Statute of Limitations: In California, the statute of limitations for perjury is three years from the date the lie is discovered. A formal retraction today would likely be considered "discovery," potentially resetting that clock.
  • Penalties: Perjury is a felony in California, punishable by up to four years in state prison.

3. Obstacles to Recanting
  • Emancipation and Agency: Chandler was legally emancipated from his parents in 1994 at age 14 and independently filed additional complaints against Jackson in 1998. A retraction now would require him to argue that he was coerced into lying not just once as a child, but repeatedly as an adult, which would be difficult to prove legally.
  • Refusal to Cooperate: Throughout his adult life, Chandler has actively avoided the legal system. In 2017, he successfully fought off subpoenas from lawyers of other accusers (Wade Robson and James Safechuck) who wanted him to testify, signaling his desire to remain silent.
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Wait he filed against Mike in 1998????...never knew this why has this came out now?!
 
etoile 37 said:
I just remembered Prince revealing this touching little moment between him and his sister (from the AEG trial transcripts), it would be a perfect closing right after "Remember What I Told You":

Q: "And when you got to the hospital, did you do anything to try to comfort your brother and your sister?"

A: "I told my sister something that my dad always told us that angels are still watching over him, and there have to be angels all over."
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😭😭😭😭
 
In 1996, Evan Chandler sued Jackson for around $60 million, claiming Jackson had breached an agreement never to discuss the case "in his interview with Diane Sawyer and in the lyrics of a song from the HIStory album". In 1998, at age 18, Jordan filed a complaint against Jackson for the same reason using the same legal team as Evan’s.
 
etoile 37 said:
Same thing for the recording while he was drugged, they obviously would not make his voice as slurred as it was on the recording, because they need the viewers to be able to understand the words he's saying, so he would just sound a little bit groggy / sleepy, not to the point that it would be humiliating or dehumanizing. I don't think a scene showing Michael slowly drifting off to sleep while talking about how much he cares about children would be too graphic, at least not for me. I understand however that some fans find it hard to even think about his death, because it is so sad...
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I say it would add enormously to the the dramatic side of his story if they included real audio footage, if necessary with subtitles.
 
t1mber said:
In 1996, Evan Chandler sued Jackson for around $60 million, claiming Jackson had breached an agreement never to discuss the case "in his interview with Diane Sawyer and in the lyrics of a song from the HIStory album". In 1998, at age 18, Jordan filed a complaint against Jackson for the same reason using the same legal team as Evan’s.
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How much money is the greedy c*nt Chandler wanting . What a total 🔔end
 
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