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"Michael", a biopic about Michael Jackson, is officially happening.

IF this turns out to be true, it feels like the Estate wanted to clear Michael's name through the biopic and go into Robson/Safechuck lawsuit with a higher public opinion.

IF these articles have any truth in them, I wish the Estate would have held off on the biopic or just have it focus on Michael's success and his art. That's what other biopics have done successfully

Regardless of these stories, the reshoots are a concern because of the time between filming ending and the reshoots. It's not a good look
 
Victorious said:
Is it smart to stir up the allegations unless there is new pro-MJJ evidence at all? I mean the tapes of Evan e.a.: are they strong enough to convince the public MJ was a victim of an extortion deal?
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Yes, most people already believe he was innocent in the first place they just think he's weird
 
kelley said:
This is not true I have hard evidence that he was with his mother sister and his whole family just a few months ago as well as evidence of them with him when LN came out too.

They lied about not being able to reach him.

Jordan has not disappeared and he and his family members have not stopped befriending people who like MJ either. I've seen it within the past year.
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Would you please provide this evidence?
 
Moviefan2k4 said:
Would you please provide this evidence?
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I already answered this above.

For now No.

This site already dropped the ball when it comes to chandler. Years ago people recklessly posted all kinds of stuff on here about his friends saying positive things about mj on social media pages. And I'm sure some fans also tried to contact them too, which led to many of them either going private or avoiding mentioning MJ anymore.

I'm not going to make the same mistake. Sometimes fans do more harm than good by acting foolishly.
 
kelley said:
I already answered this above.

For now No.

This site already dropped the ball when it comes to chandler. Years ago people recklessly posted all kinds of stuff on here about his friends saying positive things about mj on social media pages. And I'm sure some fans also tried to contact them too, which led to many of them either going private or avoiding mentioning MJ anymore.

I'm not going to make the same mistake. Sometimes fans do more harm than good by acting foolishly.
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Okay fair enough!
 
I am genuinely amazed that many of you are buying this ridiculous story created by one of Michael's enemies.

Theres no reason to believe this guy knows anything. His current story contradicts what he was saying last year. He's probably just making stuff up as he goes along.

The estate probably hasn't shut it down directly because the fake news is generating buzz and keeping the biopic in the spotlight. Bad publicity is still publicity.
 
Victorious said:
Okay fair enough!
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All I can say is 99 percent of the things people say about Jordan's current life are simply incorrect and/or outdated.

People are still repeating the same stuff about him that they were saying 15 years ago.
 
Spidey said:
Branca was not involved in the settlement. Cochran was. Who, like Chandler's father, has been dead for a while. Pretty much any major figure in the MJ circle involved in the settlement is dead or completely off the radar (Jordy). And since the settlement is sealed and no one was or is allowed to talk about it, current players (like Branca) were not familiar with the terms. I'm not familiar with Belloni (what makes him a MJ hater?), but I have heard from more than one source (I'm in the film industry), that this is completely true. The good news is that they finally have landed on a solution in the script, albeit more similar to the Broadway show. I would have preferred this to tackle the allegations head-on whether than skip them, b/c, much like the estate's silence on this, most people assume rumors to be true if no one actively refutes them. And we have never heard MJ's on a large scale like this opportunity provided. But, the movie will still be a hit, irregardless...which ultimately, is all the Estate and Lionsgate/Universal care about, sadly.
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If you have credible sources, please NAME them, except you are a journalist and your sources need protection.

Please stop hinting and not saying anything, really. That only leads to more speculation, possibly rumors.
 
bluemoon7 said:
If you have credible sources, please NAME them, except you are a journalist and your sources need protection.

Please stop hinting and not saying anything, really. That only leads to more speculation, possibly rumors.
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anyone can claim a "source" says something. And people are the internet are forever claiming they know some insider.

Just how why would the estate and lionsgate allow info like this to get out to these insiders if were true?
 
Spidey said:
Branca was not involved in the settlement. Cochran was. Who, like Chandler's father, has been dead for a while. Pretty much any major figure in the MJ circle involved in the settlement is dead or completely off the radar (Jordy). And since the settlement is sealed and no one was or is allowed to talk about it, current players (like Branca) were not familiar with the terms. I'm not familiar with Belloni (what makes him a MJ hater?), but I have heard from more than one source (I'm in the film industry), that this is completely true. The good news is that they finally have landed on a solution in the script, albeit more similar to the Broadway show. I would have preferred this to tackle the allegations head-on whether than skip them, b/c, much like the estate's silence on this, most people assume rumors to be true if no one actively refutes them. And we have never heard MJ's on a large scale like this opportunity provided. But, the movie will still be a hit, irregardless...which ultimately, is all the Estate and Lionsgate/Universal care about, sadly.
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Sounds like your source is just rehashing roger friedmonds article, that's also filled with nonsense.
 
kelley said:
I am genuinely amazed that many of you are buying this ridiculous story created by one of Michael's enemies.

Theres no reason to believe this guy knows anything. His current story contradicts what he was saying last year. He's probably just making stuff up as he goes along.

The estate probably hasn't shut it down directly because the fake news is generating buzz and keeping the biopic in the spotlight. Bad publicity is still publicity.
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This is the only thing that would indeed justify their silence!
 
Its not good PR to have things written about MJ settling/silencing a boy, especially without the reasons mentioned why he did so. If it ends up not being in the movie, this is a complete clusterfeck! The point would be to get people to see the movie, and take the information in and then go online and discuss it. Not to read snippets about MJ paying someone without understanding the reason and then watching the movie without it being in there!

The best way would be for people to go watch the movie without hearing any of this and then just be: WOW, I never knew about this!
 
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kelley said:
[...] The estate probably hasn't shut it down directly because the fake news is generating buzz and keeping the biopic in the spotlight. Bad publicity is still publicity.
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In some cases, yes, but not here. In this case, since it involves issues around csa, no, it's not helpful at all. If the PR team are allowing this to run bc it's 'still publicity' then that's disgusting and a serious misjudgement. The silence is confusing but I certainly hope it's not bc, oh, 'any publicity is good'. That would be beyond crap.

Lightbringer said:
Its not good PR to have things written about MJ settling/silencing a boy, especially without the reasons mentioned why he did so. If it ends up not being in the movie, this is a complete clusterfeck!
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Lightbringer said:
The point would be to get people to see the movie, and take the information in and then go online and discuss it. Not to read snippets about MJ paying someone without understanding the reason and then watching the movie without being in there!

The best way would be for people to go watch the movie without hearing any of this and then just be: WOW, I never knew about this!
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(y)
 
1nn5 said:
8:40 AM PT -- A source connected to the film tells TMZ ... the film is not imperiled, and there will be re-shoots in March. The source declined to comment on whether the re-shoots have to do with eliminating the scenes involving Jordan Chandler.
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Honestly the fact we keep hearing "no comment" on this specifically is kind of concerning.
 
t1mber said:
Don't forget that the only source of this story that's all over the news outlets (LN style) is the same man who got canceled Chris Brown's tribute to Thriller (40 years anniversary) at the AMA 2022. Because he hates MJ and uses any opportunity to tarnish his name.
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Noted, but it would not hurt the biopic for the Estate or the biopic production team to come out and say that the story is false, it would take 10 minutes. And since they wont do that I suspect there is some truth to it!
 
dam2040 said:
Is it? Why should they have to reply to every rumour that pops up?

Have they been particularly open about anything regarding this film? No. Why change that because some rat has published a story?
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I don't think they need to do anything. It's just concerning to me that there hasn't been a pretty easy denial of the reports, instead just saying they're moving forward and re-shoots are happening.

Of course it could be just as you say.
 
dam2040 said:
Is it? Why should they have to reply to every rumour that pops up?

Have they been particularly open about anything regarding this film? No. Why change that because some rat has published a story?
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They would have had ZERO to lose by saying "this story is entirely false" meaning the Jordan Chandler issue is not a problem. They would not have to mention Jordans name, just saying that the story is false. Instead they wasted the same time side-stepping by being as vague as they could, which leads me to believe there is some truth to the the report.

If the report is totally bogus the blame is on the Estate and the film company for failing to issue a strong denial instead just saying the film itself is not in danger of not happening and saying re-shoots are happening that have nothing to do with the concerns brought up about the Chandlers.

The logical conclusion to draw atm is that there is a problem related to the Chandler part of the movie, it might not be as bad as the report claims, but still an issue!
 
Spidey said:
Branca was not involved in the settlement. Cochran was. Who, like Chandler's father, has been dead for a while. Pretty much any major figure in the MJ circle involved in the settlement is dead or completely off the radar (Jordy). And since the settlement is sealed and no one was or is allowed to talk about it, current players (like Branca) were not familiar with the terms. I'm not familiar with Belloni (what makes him a MJ hater?), but I have heard from more than one source (I'm in the film industry), that this is completely true. The good news is that they finally have landed on a solution in the script, albeit more similar to the Broadway show. I would have preferred this to tackle the allegations head-on whether than skip them, b/c, much like the estate's silence on this, most people assume rumors to be true if no one actively refutes them. And we have never heard MJ's on a large scale like this opportunity provided. But, the movie will still be a hit, irregardless...which ultimately, is all the Estate and Lions
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The settlement has been a publicly available document for the last twenty years.
 
I think both sides have valid arguments; problem is there's heavy bias on both ends muddying the waters: from the Estate/Lionsgate ultimately wanting the film's marketing to succeed, stonewalling in regards to the reason for re-shoots, and Belloni's anti-MJ reporting, which implies that his reporting that the allegations are the reason behind the re-shoots are probably a fabrication or an embellishment.

As hard as it is, I think I'm going to just let time tell on this one. I have a feeling it's somewhere in the middle. That the re-shoots do involve the allegation scenes, but would be an easy fix (name change) and the allegation scenes will otherwise stay in tact.
 
CodaBroda said:
I think both sides have valid arguments; problem is there's heavy bias on both ends muddying the waters: from the Estate/Lionsgate ultimately wanting the film's marketing to succeed, stonewalling in regards to the reason for re-shoots, and Belloni's anti-MJ reporting, which implies that his reporting that the allegations are the reason behind the re-shoots are probably a fabrication or an embellishment.

As hard as it is, I think I'm going to just let time tell on this one. I have a feeling it's somewhere in the middle. That the re-shoots do involve the allegation scenes, but would be an easy fix (name change) and the allegation scenes will otherwise stay in tact.
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Wouldn't a voice over likely cover that? Or would his name have been used abundantly?
 
SmoothGangsta said:
I don't think they need to do anything. It's just concerning to me that there hasn't been a pretty easy denial of the reports, instead just saying they're moving forward and re-shoots are happening.

Of course it could be just as you say.
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Can they comment on the Chandler-allagations when they can not name it as such?
 
I would be more afraid if there's another reason of re-shooting: for example bad acting of Jaafar (remember he's not a professional actor although Ariana Grande has just received her Oscar nomination for the first real movie) or non working result based on poor reviews of test auditory. In that case Lionsgate/Estate don't want to comment anything to not reveal any problems.
 
I'm really getting sick and tired of this shit.

People ask on occasion about who was the first victim of cancel culture, you can absolutley make the case that MJ was patient zero when it comes to that phenomenon. People simply just want him to be guilty. It doesn't matter that all the accusations have been thoroughly debunked through multiple facets and the actual evidence points to his innocence, the narrative always was that MJ was a creepy ghoulish pedo with a nose that falls off and thats what everybody has stuck with. It's the classic sunk cost fallacy.

And now it's even worse these days than in '93 or '05 because people will take accusations against people at absolute face value without doing any research or appealing to habeas corpus. I mean hell, Johnny Depp was exonerated on every level and people still think he's a wife beater who got off because of his fame.

So yeah, if these reports about the reshoots are true, then it really doesn't surprise me that media insiders were pitching a shitfit and REEEing "aBuSE aPOLogIA" over the biopic rightfully portraying the allegations for what they really were, two extortion attempts by both a jealous starfucking deadbeat father and an insane cluster B narcissist mother who exploited her own son's illness for money and material posessions.
 
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