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Michael Jackson v. Wade Robson, a new trial to be held

Right i'm offline
It's been a stressful yet productive afternoon ..yet traumatising ..(i can taste blood cos have been biting lip in anxiety driven pain since 4 pm. Thank You Robson for emotionally distressing us.
Though , i smile ..because Robson's spokesperson is remarkably weak from what iv'e witnessed today. Our side is strong.
Jon is good. oh , he is very good. We have a very good chance of winning this.
I cannot be grateful enough for JS at this point.
 
8701girl said:
Trust them?????!!!! they cant even release material when they say they will and u expect us to trust them???!
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I know them not releasing stuff is frustrating, but that is NOT what this case is about. This is a very different beast we're dealing with here, and based on the comments from people here that watched, it seems the Estate's lawyer handled it very well. Seems we now have to play another waiting game, though.
wendijane said:
This ... exactly
So much pain and trauma again
like its 2003/4/5 all over again ..!
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This is how I've felt off and on over the last few weeks. I envy the resilience of those who were around during 2003-2005; I don't think I could have handled it.
 
1993 and 2003 to 2005 even until Michael died was relentless for some. He got off with it, he paid him off etc etc was all I heard. When you say to people tell you what you watched this crap now read the truth if you will listen or watch crap for hours just do a little research for half an hour or so and get the truth. Would they no! It's easier to be a sheep and just say mud sticks! Sorry mud sticks if it's being thrown or your rubbing yourself in it! Michael made some stupid mistakes but he did not deserve any of the shit he went through! They wanted him dead! They got there wish! We lost our idol and the world is a lot colder for it!
 
I read and also saw that the mj lawyer was saying its not upto the estate or employees to make sure they are safe! My god surely he should be saying of course their safe Michael was not a weirdo and so there was no reason that this is even a question.
 
Sometimes, no make that all times I wish Michael had made more mature choices but if you have a child's heart and mind your not going to think like that. The problem is the world is one cruel place nowadays, plus would this be happening if he was alive? I don't think so.
 
xscape guy 2003 said:
Sometimes, no make that all times I wish Michael had made more mature choices but if you have a child's heart and mind your not going to think like that. The problem is the world is one cruel place nowadays, plus would this be happening if he was alive? I don't think so.
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Robson would be trying to squeeze in wherever M would have been living - la vegas or Cali 100 N Carolwood Drive Instagraming every chance he got i would think.
"I'm here with my BEST friend ! Here i am at the studio with my brother from another mother! niece and nephews! and catch my new reality dance show on prime !"
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/356980707972621629/
pb everything in sight.
I sort of see that snaking around very clearly from him.
 
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xscape guy 2003 said:
I read and also saw that the mj lawyer was saying its not upto the estate or employees to make sure they are safe! My god surely he should be saying of course their safe Michael was not a weirdo and so there was no reason that this is even a question.
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They have to stick to facts no matter what they might want to say
 


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"All of the allegations made and cited in the opinion are unproven, and if this appeal stands, they will not be proven because they are not true." — Jonathan Steinsapir, attorney representing the Michael Jackson Estate during argumentation
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Appeals: "[In 1991] MJ companies hired Wade as an employee. In that capacity, Wade performed alongside MJ in music videos, commercials & photo shoots."Jon: Cites the direct appendices proving the photo shoots & commercials had no relation to MJ's companies at all.Appeals:
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quoting this from the LSA-Forum:

Killmonger said:
Just heard oral arguments over the tentative ruling.
It was facts (Steinsapir/MJJ) vs. feelings (Boyer, Robson/Safechuck).
I think feelings will win and the case will go to trial.

Steinsapir claimed that the court was using an allegation vs. discovered facts to consolidate cases, which had different legal resolutions. Robson was a summary judgment, Safechuck was a demurrer. The difference is that Robson's case went to a discovery phase, had tons of documents, and depositions, particularly of Joy Robson, whose testimony specifically disproves claims made by Wade. We all know them emails are even more proof. He also brought up how the testimonies of others, like Blanca Francia also disprove much of what was claimed. Two different judges came to the same exact conclusion after reading the facts. He also noted in the middle of arguments, that the allegations were indeed false, and stressed the very real risks of accusing an innocent person of pedophilia, as well as currrent California law.

Justice Elizabeth Grimes basically pretended that she wrote something differently than what Steinsapir, arguing for MJJ, reviewed in the tentative.

Holly Boyer, arguing for the liars, played the "they were 10 years old, he xesually abused other children" (also lies) card. Sounded like one of them bum-ass guilters tbh.

Lawyer for Lily Chandler/Tabitha Rose did not add anything (signaling it was understood that they wanted 0 parts of this).

I think it goes back to lower courts for trial, where unless we get an "OJ Civil Trial" moment means them two liars will be cooked with the lack of evidence for everyone to see.
 
Annita said:
quoting this from the LSA-Forum:

Killmonger said:
Just heard oral arguments over the tentative ruling.
It was facts (Steinsapir/MJJ) vs. feelings (Boyer, Robson/Safechuck).
I think feelings will win and the case will go to trial.

Steinsapir claimed that the court was using an allegation vs. discovered facts to consolidate cases, which had different legal resolutions. Robson was a summary judgment, Safechuck was a demurrer. The difference is that Robson's case went to a discovery phase, had tons of documents, and depositions, particularly of Joy Robson, whose testimony specifically disproves claims made by Wade. We all know them emails are even more proof. He also brought up how the testimonies of others, like Blanca Francia also disprove much of what was claimed. Two different judges came to the same exact conclusion after reading the facts. He also noted in the middle of arguments, that the allegations were indeed false, and stressed the very real risks of accusing an innocent person of pedophilia, as well as currrent California law.

Justice Elizabeth Grimes basically pretended that she wrote something differently than what Steinsapir, arguing for MJJ, reviewed in the tentative.

Holly Boyer, arguing for the liars, played the "they were 10 years old, he xesually abused other children" (also lies) card. Sounded like one of them bum-ass guilters tbh.

Lawyer for Lily Chandler/Tabitha Rose did not add anything (signaling it was understood that they wanted 0 parts of this).

I think it goes back to lower courts for trial, where unless we get an "OJ Civil Trial" moment means them two liars will be cooked with the lack of evidence for everyone to see.
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Annita, thanks for posting that. Really interesting to read. I think the next comment on that LSA page is worth posting, also.

OTW / Team Owner said:

"I actually hope the Estate will try to go to the Supreme Court first because this hearing was infuriating, exposing that these three Judges basically didn't even care to familiarize themselves with the details of the case. This was the worst type of activist court.

Grimes even lied and denied that she said MJ should have fired/not hired himself when that's exactly what she said. She knows how absurd this sounds, that's why she denied it but it won't stop them from ruling for Robson and Safechuck.

The reason I think it might be a Supreme Court case is because of the insanely absurd implications such a crazy precedent would have on all California companies. Basically they are arguing that MJ's companies should have enforced policies to have chaperones next to MJ and his guests at all times in his own freaking home. That while the mothers were also there. And remember: there were no allegations against MJ at the time.

There's no such law that companies are required to enforce such policies in their own bosses' private homes with his private guests. It's insane. Absolutely, completely insane. It puts a completely crazy and unreasonable burden on California companies.

And at times it felt these three bozos don't even know the case. Which makes sense because their decision was basically made within three weeks of receiving it. No way they could meticulously go through such a complex case with hundreds of pages of material in such a short time and it shows in this ruling. The trial judges went into it a lot more meticulously and they actually had a deeper knowledge of it."
 
zinniabooklover said:
The reason I think it might be a Supreme Court case is because of the insanely absurd implications such a crazy precedent would have on all California companies. Basically they are arguing that MJ's companies should have enforced policies to have chaperones next to MJ and his guests at all times in his own freaking home. That while the mothers were also there. And remember: there were no allegations against MJ at the time.
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If it becomes a Supreme Court case, that would honestly be a huge deal. Court cases a good amount of the time often leave a precedent that lasts for years and years.

Not on topic but MJ and Supreme Court has crossed paths before. Justice Jackson was photographed seeing the MJ Musical a couple months ago, and Chief Justice Roberts told then President Reagan in the 80's (when Roberts was a staffer) to not rely too much on MJ in 1984.
 
issabreakofdawn said:
If it becomes a Supreme Court case, that would honestly be a huge deal. Court cases a good amount of the time often leave a precedent that lasts for years and years.
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SC doesn't take many of the cases brought before it, though. Info from @andjustice4some from back in June when this all kicked off:

"If the final ruling is the same as the tentative, more than likely the Estate will appeal to the Supreme Court.
SC only hears 5% of the cases submitted, so it's a long shot."

issabreakofdawn said:
Not on topic but MJ and Supreme Court has crossed paths before. Justice Jackson was photographed seeing the MJ Musical a couple months ago, and Chief Justice Roberts told then President Reagan in the 80's (when Roberts was a staffer) to not rely too much on MJ in 1984.
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I've seen that story about Chief Justice Roberts and his letter to Reagan. I'd like to know a bit more of the detail but I'm not really that bothered. I don't think it necessarily means anything. Yes, it could be racism, for example. I bet Justice Roberts was / is white. But it might not even be that. I don't like to make assumptions. Judges - senior judges, especially - are not known for their interest or knowledge of pop culture. They frequently have to have things explained to them in court bc they are not in the pop culture loop. So I've never been able to get all that worked up about this particular story. Without more details it's hard to know why he was getting his pants in a twist.
 
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xscape guy 2003 said:
I read and also saw that the mj lawyer was saying its not upto the estate or employees to make sure they are safe! My god surely he should be saying of course their safe Michael was not a weirdo and so there was no reason that this is even a question.
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Yeah, how can employees report something that didn't happen, which is what both Safechuck and Robson repeatedly said before their suits, and Robson swore to in a court of law. I'd think that should be their argument, but I guess Michael's lawyers have to first address the issue itself about employees reporting things. That Safechuck and Robson get to continue to perpetuate their lies in any regard is just insane.
 
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As the Wade Robson’s case went back to court few days ago (July 26) to determine if the case will go to trial, clearly Dan Reed has been contacted his friends in the trash media to let them know he will be filming every minute of it to make a sequel fake documentary.
We already knew that Dan Reed has requested permission to the court to do so back in 2020 and while most court of appeal have debunked the case, it was back in the media front lines on Wednesday.
Leaving-Neverland-2.jpg

Regarding that hearing, Michael Jackson Estate lawyer Jonathan Steinsapir pushed back against a tentative decision by California’s 2nd District Court of Appeal, and he did an amazing job so far.
But Reed did not expect that the trashy media will also mention a pro-Michael documentary!
Finally they mentioned ‘Trial by Media: The Michael Jackson Story’ by Jin Chohan.
While Chohan stated in his GoFundMe that he is halting the filming due to lack of funds, it seems donations from fans have been flooding the donation platform.
Hopefully the article by the Mirror will give Chohan more visibility to the general public and that the documentary will be back on track soon. We need it more than never!
 
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zinniabooklover said:
I've seen that story about Chief Justice Roberts and his letter to Reagan. I'd like to know a bit more of the detail but I'm not really that bothered. I don't think it necessarily means anything. Yes, it could be racism, for example. I bet Justice Roberts was / is white. But it might not even be that. I don't like to make assumptions. Judges - senior judges, especially - are not known for their interest or knowledge of pop culture. They frequently have to have things explained to them in court bc they are not in the pop culture loop. So I've never been able to get all that worked up about this particular story. Without more details it's hard to know why he was getting his pants in a twist.
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Yeah I don't think Roberts was being racist, just was interesting. Looks like Reagan didn't really take his advice too seriously since in January 1985 according to his diary
"Then I called Michael Jackson to see if he’d do a guest appearance in Jamaica at a big World Youth Affair in April."
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and quoted Man in the Mirror in 1988.

(also the irony in Roberts statement, since before Reagan was a governor, he was literally an actor lmao)
 
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Annita said:
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July 28, 2023




As the Wade Robson’s case went back to court few days ago (July 26) to determine if the case will go to trial, clearly Dan Reed has been contacted his friends in the trash media to let them know he will be filming every minute of it to make a sequel fake documentary.
We already knew that Dan Reed has requested permission to the court to do so back in 2020 and while most court of appeal have debunked the case, it was back in the media front lines on Wednesday.
Leaving-Neverland-2.jpg

Regarding that hearing, Michael Jackson Estate lawyer Jonathan Steinsapir pushed back against a tentative decision by California’s 2nd District Court of Appeal, and he did an amazing job so far.
But Reed did not expect that the trashy media will also mention a pro-Michael documentary!
Finally they mentioned ‘Trial by Media: The Michael Jackson Story’ by Jin Chohan.
While Chohan stated in his GoFundMe that he is halting the filming due to lack of funds, it seems donations from fans have been flooding the donation platform.
Hopefully the article by the Mirror will give Chohan more visibility to the general public and that the documentary will be back on track soon. We need it more than never!
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How I wish that someone would make a counter-documentary — following the trial; “filming every minute of it”, as the quoted article states.

This Dan Reed character is the new Thomas Sneddon, as far as I’m concerned. An absolutely abhorrent hellspawn is what he is. And just like Sneddon, he seems to be obsessed with slandering Michael Jackson. Just to imagine how a man can make a career out of something like that really makes me lose faith in humanity.
 
issabreakofdawn said:
Yeah I don't think Roberts was being racist, just was interesting.
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oh, it's fascinating, no question. His little comment about Bruce Springsteen's 'patriotic' tour. wtf? :ROFLMAO:

And, as you say, the whole Reagan thing, anyway. Guy's a Hollywood actor. I don't know if Justice Roberts had a problem with the US prez hanging out with a pop star, if maybe he thought that detracted from the dignity of the office of POTUS. But Reagan's nickname was the Cowboy President. So much for dignity, lol.

issabreakofdawn said:
Looks like Reagan didn't really take his advice too seriously since in January 1985 according to his diary
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Reagan probably understood PR quite well, I would imagine, lol. I'm sure he knew that sharing a bit of Michael's stardust wouldn't do him any harm. :D

issabreakofdawn said:
(also the irony in Roberts statement, since before Reagan was a governor, he was literally an actor lmao)
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Senior judges. They are in a world of their own, lol.
 
xscape guy 2003 said:
I read and also saw that the mj lawyer was saying its not upto the estate or employees to make sure they are safe! My god surely he should be saying of course their safe Michael was not a weirdo and so there was no reason that this is even a question.
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They are answering the statements made against them, this is not the time for emotional appeals. MJ was exonerated 14 times. He is not a criminal and anyone who cares to understand knows this.
 
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