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Michael - The Great Album Debate

They'll probably release Take Me Away as a real MJ song in the future, and when we tell them it's really a fake song by that Nathan Jay person, they'll call us "conspiracy theorists".
 
Give it 5-10 years and Nathan Jay will be on the estate team creating songs and they'll be put on an album,we'll be considered conspiracy theorists for thinking they are fake.how dare we think anyone could do that to us?
 
This video is making some people go crazy as obee was in angelikson and paris is tweeting this video

 
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the theory is that as Cascio's betrayed Michael with fake songs everybody should be rejecting them. So such videos come with shock value.
 
I've forgotten, what's the relationship between Omer and the Jacksons? Regardless, it seems that not everyone within the Jackson circle opposes the tracks if he is willingly doing a video in Angelikson Studios.
 
I've not heard of the theory that "everybody" should be rejecting them. Some fans have buried their heads in the sand, or are simply ignorant as to what happened. A lot of people don't follow it closely like we have and Omer is probably one of them. On a side note, that studio looks nothing like it did in 2007. If you could even call it a studio then. Thing is, it still doesn't alter the fact that Jason is the lead vocalist on the Cascio tracks. As a fan, I feel what they did was an insult to Michael's art, an exploitation of the fans grief and desire for new material, and, at the end of the day, a serious crime.
 
by everybody I didn't mean the fans. that everybody was jacksons, omer etc..
 
You know.....Nathan could have gave the Estate an idea. Now they can take words from MJ songs...fix them together and create more "New" MJ material. -.- i have a feeling this is only the beggining....
 
Thing is, the Estate weren't involved in creating the Cascio tracks, nor were Sony. They all got played. And the Estate did try to get them taken off the album.
 
Well i know they tried to get them taken off, maybe i should have used my words more carefully.....but why didnt Sony say: "hey theses dont sound like Michael"

why can people be reasonable...
 
Because the people within Sony who made the decision to purchase these tracks didn't have an intimate knowledge of Michael's music and voice like we do and they almost certainly didn't know about Jason so they had no reference. To them, they sounded like Michael. If Let Me Let Go had never been released and was included with those songs, ie it was a Cascio track, they would have almost certainly bought that as well. Plus they, like the rest of us at that time, believed that Eddie Cascio was a trustworthy person. Their main objective since, has been to save face.
 
As much as I think the Cascio songs have Jason singing, that video of the dancing, that ivy posted, was pretty cool. :D

By the way, his floor really reminds me of this:

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and his ceiling seems masonic:

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StellaJackson said:
Thing is, the Estate weren't involved in creating the Cascio tracks, nor were Sony. They all got played. And the Estate did try to get them taken off the album.
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If the songs were real, the Estate would keep them on surely. They didn't try to take off HT or HMH!
 
Off topic, but why does it say that everyone on MJJC joined in July 2011?
 
^^ Something with the server, You can get it back to normal in a thread in the support sub section :)
 
Sadly, at this point it seems that no one is really interested in revealing the truth about these songs. No one except the doubters of course, but even they (we, as I count my self as one of them) are kind of apathetic and helpless. I see no "lets fight back and do something about it" attitude. The rest of the fans have either moved on and is no longer bothered by the controversy and the possibility of fake tracks being released on a MJ album or fully accepted these songs as Michael Jackson's, often putting a spoke in doubters' wheel.

The Jacksons, how naive was it to think that they do nothing about it because of the upcoming trial? Now, that they are planning on making the tribute concert during the very same trial. How silly of us. Futhermore they will probably be seeking Estate's permission for the concert so I see how they don't want to mess with the Estate and therefore don't bring up the fake songs allegations.

Sony/The Estate, I also think they both got played. They may have realized their mistake at some point, after the album's premiere but they would rather let the fake tracks taint MJ's music legacy than freely admit the mistake and expose themselves to lawsuits, financial loss and abasement. That's also the reason why they would never freely sue the Cascios. Scandal and controversy that's the last ting they want.

The press, they never took the authenticity issue seriously. I guess the idea of an impostor singing on the first posthumous Michael Jackson album was too far-fetched for them. Shame but I still think they can play a part in revealing the truth if only we could interest them in the issue.

So, here we are, August 8th, nine months after the controversy broke. I really wonder how, when or if the whole thing is going to end. I'm sick of it but I can't let it go. For now it seems that unless something unexpected happens we will be dealing with it for a long time, forever maybe.
 
Willy said:
So, here we are, August 8th, nine months after the controversy broke. I really wonder how, when or if the whole thing is going to end. I'm sick of it but I can't let it go. For now it seems that unless something unexpected happens we will be dealing with it for a long time, forever maybe.
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Without obtaining solid evidence, such as clean untouched vocals from the Cascio sessions or a confession from imposers (if any), fans cannot establish a probable cause and cannot really move this issue forward. The most we can do is to file a complaint to a consumer watchgroup such as Better Business Bureau in the US and the best outcome is to get a refund of the CD.

As for the Jacksons, I don't know how much they can do neither. It's said that Jackie Jackson has been involved in the Estate. However, he definitely does not have any power or any say. Based on the behaviors they have exhibited, safeguarding Michael's artistic legacy is not on top of the Jacksons' priority list.

As long as these posthumous albums continue to sell, there will be more to come. For each album, there will be some real gems like Best of Joy and some "recently brought to completion" fabrications. As sad as it sounds, we just need to live with it. That's why I will never be excited about a new album anymore. I may not get another Michael Jackson album in the future. The experience I had with the last one was too sad. I don't even want to touch the album.

I just hope Sony will release BAD Tour Blu-ray, Dangerous Blu-ray, outtakes and untouched demos. Bascially, I'll spend any money on pieces that took place or created in Michael's lifetime. But, not anything that I'm doubtful about. That's just me.
 
Personally, as much as I hate the fact that these songs are on the album, I'm still happy I got it. I love the artwork even though it screams "compilation album" and maybe I'm just an optimist, but the other 6 songs (Hollywood doesn't count) are in my opinion amazing pieces and songs that I love listening to. Granted, some power has been taken away from Another Day but it's still great to listen to. Neff-U's contributions are just breathtaking and Hold My Hand is the true definition of a song being respectfully worked on and brought to full completion. Plus, I'd be incredibly self-loathing if I didn't love Behind the Mask! :D These songs don't ruin the album, but they ruin my thoughts about the Estate and Angelikson. Granted, I don't think the Estate is to blame: I think they were duped and realized too late. I'll trust the Estate with MJ's music again if they redeem themselves by respectfully celebrating Bad next year and they don't try and cash in on the album by releasing it with only one new song or something and having it really expensive. If they go all out to celebrate that amazing album, I'll consider that their apology letter to the fans.


Besides, I feel sorry for the Estate. They paid $415,000 per Cascio track. Ouch.
 
^ I totally agree with you about Hold My Hand.

I remember hearing the leak and listening to that for years.

Then, they premiered the new version, and it was amazing, gave me chills, sounded perfect! :D

I was also a lot happier with the Throwback Mix of Hollywood Tonight, however it took me a while to get over the Billie Jean thing.
 
Aniram said:
^ I totally agree with you about Hold My Hand.

I remember hearing the leak and listening to that for years.

Then, they premiered the new version, and it was amazing, gave me chills, sounded perfect! :D

I was also a lot happier with the Throwback Mix of Hollywood Tonight, however it took me a while to get over the Billie Jean thing.
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Exactly, so we know that a posthumous release can be done right, and because of songs like Hold My Hand, I'm confident that the Estate has learned from this and if they can impress us with Bad 25, that'll show that they're not just profit-oriented. After all, MJ is now out of debt if I recall correctly, so the profit-aim of the Estate is complete.
 
@Jesta, where is that $415,000 figure coming from?

For me, sometimes I hate myself for not able to enjoy Best of Joy more. The fact that the song is squeezed between Monster and Breaking News has have a big negative impact to my listening experience. Whenever I listen to Best of Joy, I remember the voice from Breaking News. :no:

I like HT, BoJ, BTM and MTS vey much though. So, for the next album, I'll buy each individual song. When I look at the album MICHAEL, I realize it really isn't necessary to buy the whole album. It's not a studio album, but a complilation of songs from the 80's to the millenium. I don't care much about the artwork myself. I think the booklet design is plain.

To be honest, at first look, I actually thought the album cover is horrible, then I tried to justify it by thinking it's more interesting than a recent photo. They may try to replicate the mystique of the Dangerous cover. However, without Michael's magic touch, there really isn't that much mystique in it.
 
@Love, I reached $415,000 as we know that they paid $5 million to Eddie for the songs. Divide that by 12 and you get slightly more than $415,000. I just rounded it to that for convenience. It's still a LOT to pay, even for genuine tracks!
 
Jesta said:
Exactly, so we know that a posthumous release can be done right, and because of songs like Hold My Hand, I'm confident that the Estate has learned from this and if they can impress us with Bad 25, that'll show that they're not just profit-oriented. After all, MJ is now out of debt if I recall correctly, so the profit-aim of the Estate is complete.
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The Estate is not completely out of debt yet. The Estate did re-negotiate much better terms (lower interest rate, loan consolidation, etc.) for the outstanding debt last year. It's pretty fair to say the finanical burden of the Estate is much lighter by now.
 
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