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Michael - The Great Album Debate

Is it possible to get this youtube user:

http://www.youtube.com/user/cjbaxxter,

to analyse the Oprah interview with the Casios? I've been watching some of his videos of body language analysis on certain MJ interviews, and I'm wondering if he can analyse the interview with Eddie Cascio and Teddy Riley when they're talking about the authenticity of the tracks.
 
I was watching those videos today and I was wondering the same thing....people make requests on his videos, so I don't see why we can't send him a link to the Oprah interview on his page...he has a Facebook page too...he's pretty good at responding to requests and what not ...
 
Would be a smart move, people should ask him. However, the videos of the show on youtube has the audio out of sync, that might make it harder. Unless someone have the videos in sync and can upload them.
 
Pentum said:
Would be a smart move, people should ask him. However, the videos of the show on youtube has the audio out of sync, that might make it harder. Unless someone have the videos in sync and can upload them.
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There is also the Making of MICHAEL :).
 
"My name is xxxxxxxxxx and I'm a 23 year old Italian/American pop artist. I've worked with such producers and artists as Damon Sharpe, Dru Hill and Prophet Jones. I have a unique and catchy sound and style.

"I sing, write and dance. My style is in the realm of a mixture of Usher, Justin Timberlake and Michael Jackson"

"I really love the level of creativity that can be reached while in the studio atmosphere. I feel that my best writing occurs when I am alone, however, I do enjoy collaborative work."
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Who wrote this?

Did he wrote he Cascio´s tracks?. The estructures are similar to Jason´s tracks.
 
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About Monster at cirque, what happens if believers are there because people who think the songs are fake sold there tickets? what happens then?
 
cirque has its own following - meaning that not everyone attending will be a mj fan. i personally do not think cirque will face a lot of protest if they use monster

secondly if you watched cirque production videos , they mentioned that masters were used to re arrange the songs. I wonder if that might be different then the released version or it might be even just a musical arrangement - with no vocals
 
ivy said:
secondly if you watched cirque production videos , they mentioned that masters were used to re arrange the songs. I wonder if that might be different then the released version or it might be even just a musical arrangement - with no vocals
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This is what Jamie king said:
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118039762?refCatId=15

"Michael will always be present during the show through video and new technology, especially holographic technology," says King. "Most importantly, because it is a music-driven show, we're working with Michael's catalog. Michael is really the narrator, his voice will always be there."
 
I just do not get why they would use it at all. Michael created so many amazing tracks during his lifetime. If they wish to do something with songs that he did not spotlight as much, there are so many brilliant tracks to choose from. Do a cool number to Liberian Girl, or play that thumping beat of Who Is It. Why Monster? And like you said Arklove, if they want to use some 'recent' (recently released) material, why not use a Best of Joy or Behind the Mask? Even if it would be Michael on Monster, I just don't get why they would use this song.
 
^^ Exactly, use a single from Michael if they want to use a Michael song
 
Just remember, it might not be in the final set list. That was the room where ALL the ideas were thought of, meaning that not everything created in that room will see the light of day. I highly doubt they'll place Monster in there. In fact, if I were to make a guess, I'd say they'd choose Hollywood, Best of Joy and Behind the Mask as songs from "Michael" to include in the show. Call it a hunch. Besides, as someone said on here, the Cascio tracks belong to SONY, NOT the Estate. And this is NOT a SONY project, meaning that the songs could quite possibly not be used. I'm still betting that it was the '98 Monster, believed to be a song worked with Darkchild on Pre-Invincible.
 
dam2040 said:
^^ Would they put a never before heard song in the shows?
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Jamie King said in an interview that it's definitely possible. I can't remember the exact interview, but if you look it up on YouTube, I'm sure you'll find it. After all, Kevin Autunes has COMPLETE access to Michael's masters, meaning both his released and unreleased material. What appears in the show is really up to him and by extension Jamie, as he is the creator of the show and all. This show could give us literally anything from the vaults, maybe even a medley of unfinished songs. Even I Am a Loser could appear!
 
Just out of curiosity does anyone think ANY of the adlibs at the end of Burn Tonight are MJ?

The first falsetto 'fireee' after the instrumental section turned my head when I heard it initially :/
 
Deniro UK said:
Just out of curiosity does anyone think ANY of the adlibs at the end of Burn Tonight are MJ?

The first falsetto 'fireee' after the instrumental section turned my head when I heard it initially :/
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Burn 2Nite doesn't contain any vocals by Michael. Not even sampled adlibs.
 
I heard sampled breaths and slight ad-libs during the beginning and interlude.
 
Ah, OK then. In that light, it's probably the most complete Cascio track, at least so far.
 
Do you guys think the rain and thunder effect at the end of of Burn Tonite sounds ridiculous? For me, if I hear rain and thunder, I think getting soaked in the rain, feeling cold and wanting to run away. It's the exact opposite of feeling hot or turn on. The song is about how a guy wants to get some with a girl and burn the night like hell together. And, the producers choose to end the song with actual sound of rain and thunder?

I know the words rain and thunder are in the lyrics. But, I thought these words are metaphors for passion. They are not supposed to be interpretated literally.
 
hahaha...Exactly! A salsa song doesn't exactly make me think of rain and thunder :scratch:
 
Hopefully as the more Cascio songs get leaked the more fake they sound so more believers are turned and $ony get what they deserve
 
The production of this song is way below Michael Jackson standard. I'm not a fan of the lyrics. If people cringe when listening to Break of Dawn, they may puke a little listening to Burn Tonight. It's just too in-your-face sex. :puke:

A taste of me?

State of sin?

Taste of your skin?

Play me like a toy?

The writer left no room for imagination. Songs like DSTYGE, ITC, BoD and 2000 Watts contain lyrics that let the listener to interpret whatever way they want. It's like the songwriters are teasing us. It's fun that way...
 
^^ Well, yeah, it's just crappy songwriting...Something Michael wasn't capable of OR would be proud to sing if he didn't write it ....He's turned down songs by the Neptunes and other artists because he certainly had his reasons..He didn't just sing or participate in anything and everything...He had dignity and pride as an artist.......But that's just me ;)
 
Arklove said:
^^ Well, yeah, it's just crappy songwriting...Something Michael wasn't capable of OR would be proud to sing if he didn't write it ....He's turned down songs by the Neptunes and other artists because he certainly had his reasons..He didn't just sing or participate in anything and everything...He had dignity and pride as an artist.......But that's just me ;)
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No, it's not you. I feel the same way. Actually, he's getting pickier and pickier with each album. When it comes to his own album, he's excruciatingly selective.
 
The thing is even if we ignore the vocals, the songs still don't represent anything Michael did musically his entire life. They sound NOTHING like a Michael Jackson song. I don't really know how to explain but I'm sure you guys know what I mean, they just lack something. Songs like Unbreakable/Invincible etc could be labelled as very electronic, but they have many organic layers of different interesting instrumentation, tight melodies and sick bass hooks which drive the songs seamlessly. To me, the way the instrumentals are built up, with each layer having a purpose, is an MJ trademark and this is just completely lacking the Cascio songs. They are so simple, they all have just a plain chorus, no change in structure and repetitive instrumental sections with MJ's breaths tacked on.

Hope one day this mess can be forgotten, maybe when the next album comes along :)
 
Of course, Deniro, I totally know what you mean...it's not something easily explained...Michael was ever changing, he liked to change things up, but throughout it all, he had his unique style, his stamp on things...You can hear it and feel it...These songs are missing that...I mean, ALL the Cascio songs we've heard are missing that special something that made Michael Jackson who he was, that feeling of 'That's a Michael Jackson song, I know that style'...

That's why I contest when people say the lyrics, or composition, or instrumentation of the songs aren't what need to be debated...It absolutely needs to be discussed and brought to light! It's not just about the vocals...Michael was an all encompassing artist...One doesn't come without the other...That's what made him the artist and musician he was...It was the totality of it all....It was deeply embedded in him and there is a massive disconnect with these songs...
 
love is magical said:
Do you guys think the rain and thunder effect at the end of of Burn Tonite sounds ridiculous? For me, if I hear rain and thunder, I think getting soaked in the rain, feeling cold and wanting to run away. It's the exact opposite of feeling hot or turn on. The song is about how a guy wants to get some with a girl and burn the night like hell together. And, the producers choose to end the song with actual sound of rain and thunder?

I know the words rain and thunder are in the lyrics. But, I thought these words are metaphors for passion. They are not supposed to be interpretated literally.
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Completely agree. It makes no sense at all. The sound of fireworks or the sound of electricity would maybe, but thunder and rain?

Arklove said:
Of course, Deniro, I totally know what you mean...it's not something easily explained...Michael was ever changing, he liked to change things up, but throughout it all, he had his unique style, his stamp on things...You can hear it and feel it...These songs are missing that...I mean, ALL the Cascio songs we've heard are missing that special something that made Michael Jackson who he was, that feeling of 'That's a Michael Jackson song, I know that style'...

That's why I contest when people say the lyrics, or composition, or instrumentation of the songs aren't what need to be debated...It absolutely needs to be discussed and brought to light! It's not just about the vocals...Michael was an all encompassing artist...One doesn't come without the other...That's what made him the artist and musician he was...It was the totality of it all....It was deeply embedded in him and there is a massive disconnect with these songs...
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Yes, yes and yes! We know so much about Michael felt about music and what inspired him, what music he liked himself, what he thought was important in a song. He gave us very much information about that and we certainly can use that whilst discussing the Cascio songs. If Michael gave his seal of approval to these songs, then at least the melody had to be special. And that's just one example.
 
It is argued that Jason Malachi's flow is different in his songs than in the Cascio songs.

Okay, I get that.

But let's remember that artists evolve a bit from project to project.

Listen to Off The Wall, then to Thriller, notice the different styles, the different type of vocal. In Thriller, Michael's voice is even more refined and clearer than in Off The Wall, he has perfected it even more.

In Bad, Michael goes an even step further and takes the aggressive "Bad" theme to it's full level. The vocals sound even better on this album, his vocal tics are all over the place, he owns it.


Compare this to Jason Malachi.

In his first songs from his debut album, the vocal mixes are a bit low, he doesn't sound as professional, the beats aren't as good, his songwriters likely weren't as good. He is still learning how to make a record.

Then comes Critical, he is more on top of it this time, his vocals sound stronger, more processed, the production is better, it's more promoted, he puts more effort into it, etc.


Now, if Jason Malachi was asked to record vocals for the Cascio songs, don't you think there'd be a slight difference in sound than on the Critical album or his first album? Yes, most likely, but would he sound like a completely different person?

My point is, from Thriller to Bad Michael sounds different, from Dangerous to Invincible he sounds different, more evolved, but you can still prove that it's Michael Jackson, he still leaves an obvious trail.

In the Cascio songs, while Jason Malachi might sound a bit different than in his first album and Critical, but he still leaves his trademarks everywhere.
 
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