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Michael - The Great Album Debate

I don't think it was ever confirmed that Fall In Love leaked on uStream, I thought someone was listening and didn't recognize the remix or something and maybe made a quick judgment. No one else ever heard it. I don't know for sure, though.
 
Aniram said:
I don't think it was ever confirmed that Fall In Love leaked on uStream, I thought someone was listening and didn't recognize the remix or something and maybe made a quick judgment. No one else ever heard it. I don't know for sure, though.
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All Right is the song in question, not Fall In Love.
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
I have just one question. You believe all Cascio tracks are genuine and Burn Tonight is fake, don't you?
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KingMikeJ said:
Yes. I believe the Cascio tracks are a mix between Michael and someone else to fill in bits and pieces. But with Burn Tonight, I hear a lot of that "someone else".
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btw - let me add there's nothing strange about such beliefs. I guess Birchey's issues are pretty much known by this time as he mentioned them on his twitter but before such events he believed "black widow" to be 100% michael and backgrounds to be Michael.

so there had been a third group actually in addition to "not michael" and "michael" groups. this third group believed Michael was doing at least some vocals but to them "how much" and "where" was an issue. and to those people some song were more michael and some were less.

love is magical said:
In all fairness, Mr. Swedien could have listened, dissected and analyzed the songs like Pentum and TPI Master did. But, do we really know?
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and that's exactly my point. I mean look people sit across their computers and assume that swedien has just recorded with michael for a few months and then put everything aside and didn't listen to michael for years. but the reality is they just don't know. perhaps he listens to michael from break of dawn to sunset, he could have done a lot of detailed examination etc etc. we just don't know. people create scenarios and reject other possible ones if it doesn't fit to them.
 
Now that he doesn't come here anymore, I just wanted to remind people of some important things that Birchey said about these songs several months ago. Those who have been following twitter will know why this is so well researched:

"a massive Majority of the lead vocals are not Michaels
The breathing and other "aaahs" and stuff were pasted on
The songs were orginally slower in pace
The are NO claps, click or footstamps on ANY Cascio track on the vocal channel (something which to me proves this is definately not Michael behind that mic)
The songs were all recorded on various Mics
The original vocals themselves were NOT recorded badly but properly
There are tons of takes of vocals, there are several takes used on each line
There WERE backing tracks provided with the songs
There are MANY Ghost backing vocals
The only instance of a PVC Pipe being used was on about 4 lines in which they had "Michaels" vocals CLEAN and also recorded through a PVC pipe."

"Certain people here can vouch for me, but a leak of certain material cant happen, at least not from me, but I feel fans need certain information, I know the songs, all of them are copy and paste cuts from at least 10 vocals each, and from viewing the waveforms of each vocal track used, there is nothing wrong with the recordings, and also no clips, claps and so on like Michael would do, the breathing and grunts have been pasted in between vocals, I just wanted to add my 2 cents."

"MJ records vocals for 12 songs, not just the leads but the leads several times on some, he recorded backing lead, ad-libs and layers of Backing vocals. And he sung the songs in full, not demo style, no mess-ups, the songs were complete, from his side at least. So where do the cascios put this idea across that there was only bad quality limited vocals to work from?"

"there is breathing on them, but a majority has been pasted on, there are tracks named "MJGrunts_2" and so on, infact one song has a complete MJ beatbox intro made from 7 tracks of looped, copied and pasted MJ vocal tics."

"For the vocals its clear on the editing how they have had a variety of vocal tracks to choose from, for me this points to a good explanantion, if you were to get someone to copy MJ why have them do one take? They have used the lines which fit Michaels vocals the best, the smoking gun here is the sheer amount of lead vocals and backing vocals they have."

"I mentioned before there is breathing, but there is more which appear to have been put on top, not nescessarily breathing coming into a line, but more to do with little vocal ticks. The whole songs are a joke, I can tell you one song used 9 vocal tracks to complete ONE lead vocal, which tbh isn;t a big deal in a real studio situation but when we are told the vocals are one take its weird"

"And this is the biggy, there are 2 vocals tracks at the end of "Water" named "MJTelephone" & "MJTelephonenopan" which are clearly 2 different takes of the same line, whilst the rest of the song is primarily made from the vocal "MJLd" meaning "Michael Jackson Lead Vocals" now if the whole thing was telephone vocals why differentiate between the 2?"
 
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an interesting tidbit

on the case forum recently we are discussing the witnesses defense plans to call and DA's objections. that list had "Frank Cascio" on it. DA asked the defense why they wanted to call Frank? In the recent answer the defense filed they refer to Grace Rwaramba's interview. Repotedly Grace told them when Micheal stayed with Cascio's in 2007 he was using heavy drugs. and that's why they wanted to call Frank as a witness.

I'm not talking about the drugs part but wasn't there also a video of MJ shopping with Eddie and Grace was there? What I'm trying to say is perhaps Grace was there at that time and might know what he recorded.
 
ivy said:
an interesting tidbit

on the case forum recently we are discussing the witnesses defense plans to call and DA's objections. that list had "Frank Cascio" on it. DA asked the defense why they wanted to call Frank? In the recent answer the defense filed they refer to Grace Rwaramba's interview. Repotedly Grace told them when Micheal stayed with Cascio's in 2007 he was using heavy drugs. and that's why they wanted to call Frank as a witness.

I'm not talking about the drugs part but wasn't there also a video of MJ shopping with Eddie and Grace was there? What I'm trying to say is perhaps Grace was there at that time and might know what he recorded.
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I believe it's already been well established that she wasn't there. It was just Michael and the children, plus a personal tutor for the children who stayed somewhere else, not in the house.

Edit: she may well have been there.
 
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StellaJackson said:
I believe it's already been well established that she wasn't there. It was just Michael and the children, plus a personal tutor for the children who stayed somewhere else, not in the house.

Edit: she may well have been there.
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what you say is what Roger Friedman wrote. I wouldn't call it "well established" personally.
 
ivy said:
what you say is what Roger Friedman wrote. I wouldn't call it "well established" personally.
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I don't trust anything he said, but I do believe he was getting his info direct from the horse's mouth. I've just looked up the articles. In his original 2007 article, he claims Michael and the children arrived with a tutor and security. In 2010, when he first reveals the songs, he states it was a tutor and a nanny. So yes, there is a very good possibility that Grace was there. Problem is, if Michael was sleeping in the studio as Eddie stated, and was spending a lot of time in there, then she may know very little. That studio would have to be soundproofed as it is in a residential area. And of course, all studios are soundproofed.

Edit: he goes on to say the following in his original article: "The stay, according to sources, did not include nanny Grace Rwaramba, who remains in her luxury condo in Las Vegas."

So maybe not lol.
 
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