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Michael - The Great Album Debate

I guess I'll have to see the show first before making any judgement. I'll see the show on April 3, 2012.

I hope the fan group that are invited to see the rehearsal told the show creative team that it's not worth it to include the Cascio tracks.

I'm a little disappointed that no song from Invincible is included. Speechless is the most beautiful song ever. Threatened is a masterpiece.

It's difficult to finalize a Michael Jackson concert checklist. The man had too many great songs. So, it just puzzles me that they would pick Breaking News over Tabloid Junkie and Monster over Threatened.

The description of the Scream concept doesn't sound right. Asian gymnastic and ninjas? Hmm... Don't know what to think.

The Humsn Nature rendition sounds great.
 
I couldn't see any mention of lead vocals in that link, Stella. Can you show me where it says that? And Ivy is right, this could just be a preliminary thing and maybe they did say about the Cascio tracks and told them not to include it.
 
ivy said:
how did you concluded that it didn't have any impact?

they watched a rehearsal and then gave their input. any change will be seen in the future.. perhaps waiting the actual performance to see changes - if any- would be a lot more logical

and seriously it's a 2 hour show and you are complaining about 40 seconds of it like it's end of the world.
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I doubt anything will change by the time I go on November 1st....If it does, cool...If not...oh well...What can we do?

If I was 'complaining' to the point of it being the 'end of the world', I'd sell my tickets and wouldn't even bother going...You know how we feel about these tracks, Ivy...They don't bother you, but 40 secs is 40 secs too much when they have numerous other songs to use ...ie: Threatened instead of Monster....Tabloid Junkie instead of Breaking News...
 
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Jesta said:
I couldn't see any mention of lead vocals in that link, Stella. Can you show me where it says that? And Ivy is right, this could just be a preliminary thing and maybe they did say about the Cascio tracks and told them not to include it.
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It says the "chorus from Monster", which is performed by Jason.. Thing is, whatever they were to use from these songs is not appropriate as they do not represent the work of Michael Jackson.
 
StellaJackson said:
It says the "chorus from Monster", which is performed by Jason.. Thing is, whatever they were to use from these songs is not appropriate as they do not represent the work of Michael Jackson.
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Ah, OK. But we still have to be optimistic here. Let's wait until the first show and see what they pull out. This can be enough time to bring out something different. Breaking News didn't seem to connect to anything, and Monster could be replaced by the This Is It instrumental of Threatened.
 
if you want me to be absolutely honest, that "end of the world" comment wasn't aimed at you. I was using it for stella who used words like "disgusted, abominations" etc. and again you want to be completely honest such behavior and wording to me seems so much like a junior high drama queen.

from the review it's obvious that all the other songs are given much more importance - in full format and with new remixes - and only 2 songs are used as fillers and changes for 20 seconds. So on the grand scheme of the things and that with the reality of these songs aren't proven to be "fakes", it's not something that I would spend time on complaining. There surely must be other important things that deserve our dedicated attention, i don't know kinda like press calling Michael as "jack*" and etc. and if it's such a deal breaker for some, they can simply chose to not attend and not be a party pooper for the rest.
 
ivy said:
if you want me to be absolutely honest, that "end of the world" comment wasn't aimed at you. I was using it for stella who used words like "disgusted, abominations" etc. and again you want to be completely honest such behavior and wording to me seems so much like a junior high drama queen.

from the review it's obvious that all the other songs are given much more importance - in full format and with new remixes - and only 2 songs are used as fillers and changes for 20 seconds. So on the grand scheme of the things and that with the reality of these songs aren't proven to be "fakes", it's not something that I would spend time on complaining. There surely must be other important things that deserve our dedicated attention, i don't know kinda like press calling Michael as "jack*" and etc.
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Hey, I understand...But for someone who puts a lot of emphasis on the value of an opinion, maybe you should let Stella feel the way he wants to feel and you feel the way you want to feel about it....
 
ivy said:
if you want me to be absolutely honest, that "end of the world" comment wasn't aimed at you. I was using it for stella who used words like "disgusted, abominations" etc. and again you want to be completely honest such behavior and wording to me seems so much like a junior high drama queen.

from the review it's obvious that all the other songs are given much more importance - in full format and with new remixes - and only 2 songs are used as fillers and changes for 20 seconds. So on the grand scheme of the things and that with the reality of these songs aren't proven to be "fakes", it's not something that I would spend time on complaining. There surely must be other important things that deserve our dedicated attention, i don't know kinda like press calling Michael as "jack*" and etc.
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Thanks for the insult. For your information I write in the way I do because I am autistic. So keep insulting me if it makes you feel better. And as far as I am concerned, although I believed it before, the leaks from last weekend are proof that the songs are fake.
 
Arklove said:
Hey, I understand...But for someone who puts a lot of emphasis on the value of an opinion, maybe you should let Stella feel the way he wants to feel and you feel the way you want to feel about it....
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did I delete/edit his/her post? nope. so that's he's feeling any way he wants to feel freely. and me not agreeing with it and expressing is my freedom.

let's not act like I didn't let him to express an opinion, please.
 
ivy said:
did I delete/edit his/her post? nope. so that's he's feeling any way he wants to feel freely. and me not agreeing with it and expressing is my freedom.

let's not act like I didn't let him to express an opinion, please.
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And let's not act like you wouldn't have acted the same way if the cards were reversed...

Again, there's plenty of 'high school drama' in other parts of this forum that far outweigh anything in this thread lol
 
ivy said:
it's not something that I would spend time on complaining. There surely must be other important things that deserve our dedicated attention, i don't know kinda like press calling Michael as "jack*" and etc.
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And what's with the judgment here? It's not the first time where you've called people out on where their priorities lie in terms of Michael and his legacy....People will occupy their time and dedication where they want....I don't hold judgment for those who don't bother talking about his music anymore and only concentrate on the Jackson's latest endeavors..Makes no difference to me...
 
I still can't believe there's no Invincible songs.
I don't think it's for being a "low selling album"

How many people in the street would recognize YRMW and how many would recognize Monster?
Doesn't make any sense.
 
lucilla said:
I still can't believe there's no Invincible songs.
I don't think it's for being a "low selling album"

How many people in the street would recognize YRMW and how many would recognize Monster?
Doesn't make any sense.
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And if they wanted to use something to promote the Michael album then why not HT or BTM?
 
Arklove said:
And let's not act like you wouldn't have acted the same way if the cards were reversed...l
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I wouldn't. You know nothing about my personality. and this constant hate , bashing etc is not my style. If I believed the songs to be 100% fake, I would express my unhappiness, reject to buy any future releases and then move on with my life. This topic has become an unhealthy obsession for some and that's the reality.

And what's with the judgment here? It's not the first time where you've called people out on where their priorities lie in terms of Michael and his legacy....
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Do you know how many people call "believers" out about their priorities lie in terms of defending Michael's legacy in regards to these "fake" songs?

and so what if I believe use of a racists insult while referring to Michael in mass media is a lot more important then 40 second use of songs that might or might not be fake in a 2 hour show. so sue me.

StellaJackson said:
Thanks for the insult. For your information I write in the way I do because I am autistic. So keep insulting me if it makes you feel better. And as far as I am concerned, although I believed it before, the leaks from last weekend are proof that the songs are fake.
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first of all I didn't criticize your way or writing and secondly I don't think your feelings and beliefs towards these songs have nothing to do with autism.

do you have an utter hate for these songs because you are autistic? is your autism determines your choice of harsh words?
or
do you hate them because you believe them to be fake? and that words are exactly what you feel?

If your answer is the first I'll apologize. If it's the second then you'll need to accept that it's not an insult and I simply do not agree with your behavior.

and fyi - in recent days you were criticizing another members comments in chat room, that member happens to have a learning disability. so you might want to use your own advice .
 
ivy said:
I wouldn't. You know nothing about my personality. and this constant hate , bashing etc is not my style. If I believed the songs to be 100% fake, I would express my unhappiness, reject to buy any future releases and then move on with my life. This topic has become an unhealthy obsession for some and that's the reality.



first of all I didn't criticize your way or writing and secondly I don't think your feelings and beliefs towards these songs have nothing to do with autism.

do you have an utter hate for these songs because you are autistic? is your autism determines your choice of harsh words?
or
do you hate them because you believe them to be fake? and that words are exactly what you feel?

If your answer is the first I'll apologize. If it's the second then you'll need to accept that it's not an insult and I simply do not agree with your behavior.

and fyi - in recent days you were criticizing another members comments in chat room, that member happens to have a learning disability. so you might want to use your own advice .
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It is the first. I suffer from obsessive behaviour as a result of my autism, so something that bothers me, for example my belief that the Cascio tracks are fake, can become obsessive and cause me to have an abnormally high emotional investment in it. And which member are you referring to in the chat? The only person who I've spoken to in there is the same person who is now banned for abusive behaviour and trolling.
 
Arklove said:
.....and with that...I'm out...This is ridiculous...
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I agree. It's ridiculous that people don't know me at all, thinks that they can predict my behavior. It's also ridiculous that people that would say "let others have an opinion" would be the first to be against me expressing "my opinions".

StellaJackson said:
It is the first. I suffer from obsessive behaviour as a result of my autism, so something that bothers me, for example my belief that the Cascio tracks are fake, can become obsessive and cause me to have an abnormally high emotional investment in it. And which member are you referring to in the chat? The only person who I've spoken to in there is the same person who is now banned for abusive behaviour and trolling.
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As I said I'll apologize if you thought that was insulting. I didn't want it to be insulting, I was merely disagreeing with your approach. If that "high emotional" posts that I called "drama queen" is due to autism, I'm sorry I didn't know.

and sorry I can't identify member's identities.
 
Similarly to Stella, my investment in this thread is due to obsessive tendencies brought on by Asperger's Syndrome, which in on the same scale of Autism. I have a high sense of morality and this is a prime example of it.
 
Jesta said:
Similarly to Stella, my investment in this thread is due to obsessive tendencies brought on by Asperger's Syndrome, which in on the same scale of Autism. I have a high sense of morality and this is a prime example of it.
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Snap. I was diagnosed 10 days before Michael died.
 
****** disgusting. They should have known better, just why, WHY even think about including these songs!? THEY MUST know about the controversity! Unbelievable !

IF ANY Cascio song ends up being on the final shows, I will NOT go.
 
Jesta said:
Damn! I was diagnosed with traits with it (psychologist left before he could finish analysis) in 2008. My school did nothing to help.
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Neither did mine. I was 27 when I was diagnosed. It makes a situation like the Cascio tracks unbearable.
 
StellaJackson said:
As soon as people start doubting the tracks too much, he closes it. As there is nothing left to defend or debate anymore, people are resorting to desperate measures to censor discussion. People don't like to admit that they've been wrong re these songs.
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says a person who has chosen to censor things for oneself, e.g.
- by adding people like me into the ignore list in order not to realize there are other opinions from people who happen to know Jason's voice as well
- by calling these people "unreal" fans or "trolls" etc.
- by accusing any forum founder of "being bought by" or working for "the enemy" - be it Sony, the MJ Estate, the Cascios, whoever - if a thread gets closed
- by accusing forums of "being under control" if files get removed, users banned due to copyright infringement or malicious falsehood and other rightfully applicable law
- by accusing forum administration to be "bastards" when they ban you because - in your eyes - it's totally acceptable to ridicule and attack fans because - you know - those other fans must be "unreal" fans that everyone can ridicule and attack for the fun of it
- by believing into lies of fanatic (and long banned before the word Cascio meant anything to fans) people like Upside who are trying to spread lies about non-doubters (e.g. about this forum's founder, the MaxJax founders, ivy, me and other known fans)
- by always repeating the same empty words like "there is nothing left to defend or debate", "we all know the truth", "blatantly identical" etc.
- by not even considering to be wrong oneself because "it's so clear", isn't it? That's why someone can't do anything at court - although all the "evidence" has been developed by fans through the use of Google and with the help of comparison clips by fans who are the definite experts into everything MJ whose subjective opinions must be far better than the professional work of an unbiased forensic expert / musicologist that actually no-one cares about and is just working for fun or to help committing fraud, correct?
 
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Korgnex, we NEED transparency in this issue from someone that knows things about these songs! Unless we have a reason to believe these tracks are real, we won't. We need the proof, and not just hearsay. If you have concrete proof, then I implore you to share it!
 
Korgnex said:
says a person who has chosen to censor things for oneself, e.g.
- by adding people like me into the ignore list in order not to realize there are other opinions from people who happen to know Jason's voice as well
- by calling these people "unreal" fans or "trolls" etc.
- by accusing any forum founder of "being bought by" or working for "the enemy" - be it Sony, the MJ Estate, the Cascios, whoever - if a thread gets closed
- by believing into lies of fanatic (and long banned before the word Cascio meant anything to fans) people like Upside who are trying to spread lies about non-doubters (e.g. this forum's founder, the MaxJax founders, ivy, me and other known fans)
- by always repeating the same empty words like "there is nothing left to defend or debate", "we all know the truth", "blatantly identical" etc.
- by not even considering to be wrong oneself because "it's so clear", isn't it? That's why someone can't do anything at court - although all the "evidence" has been developed by fans through the use of Google and with the help of comparison clips who are the definite experts into everything MJ, correct?
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- I can add who I want to the ignore list. That's why it's there.
- Have never called a fan unreal or a troll for that reason.
-Have never suggested such a ridculous thing as forum founders being bought by a so called enemy. - care to prove it?
-Never even heard of Upside.
- I can repeat what I want. It's called freedom of speech and it is my opinion. If you have read the whole thread you might understand why.
- I've said multiple times that I want to be wrong. I don't want them to be JC. Can't change what I hear and believe.
 
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Jesta said:
Korgnex, we NEED transparency in this issue from someone that knows things about these songs! Unless we have a reason to believe these tracks are real, we won't. We need the proof, and not just hearsay. If you have concrete proof, then I implore you to share it!
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That's what Joe Vogel says too. In fact, Eddie and Porte were the only ones who refused to be interviewed for his book. I doubt Korgnex knows any more than the rest of us. You just got to form your opninion based off the evidence available as it stands.
 
StellaJackson said:
That's what Joe Vogel says too. In fact, Eddie and Porte were the only ones who refused to be interviewed for his book. I doubt Korgnex knows any more than the rest of us. You just got to form your opninion based off the evidence available as it stands.
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I recall asking Joe if he was going to talk about the tracks in the book a few months ago, and he said he would dedicate the time to "songs that were worth it" or something like that. It seems Joe believes what we do now. But I reiterate, if ANYONE knows something they're not telling, how can they expect us to be on their side?
 
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