Michael - The Great Album Debate

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[Arklove]

awww...Jesta, you look awesome...You stud muffin, you

 

[love is magical]

Don't be jealous.

 

[StellaJackson]

So pleased regarding Cirque. A little victory for common sense. Hopefully they will weigh up all these concerns when it comes to picking the next album tracklisting and won't use any more of these god forsaken tracks. Also means they won't appear on the Cirque soundtrack if we get one.

 

[Frankyboy5]

Every single Cascio song contains ad libs from other genuine songs.

Not true. All I Need and Stay, for example, have no samples from old songs. I don't think Burn Tonight, Fall in Love, Ready 2 Win and some others have them either but I'm not as sure.

But I find that the defining line as to which songs make the album cut.

 

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Not true. All I Need and Stay, for example, have no samples from old songs. I don't think Burn Tonight, Fall in Love, Ready 2 Win and some others have them either but I'm not as sure.

But I find that the defining line as to which songs make the album cut.

All I need opens with "you are not alone" theme.

Stay and Burn Tonight don't even sound like Michael to me. I don't have the songs to re-listen to find back the melodies I evoked.

 

[love is magical]

So pleased regarding Cirque. A little victory for common sense. Hopefully they will weigh up all these concerns when it comes to picking the next album tracklisting and won't use any more of these god forsaken tracks. Also means they won't appear on the Cirque soundtrack if we get one.

Yup, this is my hope as well. May be I'm thinking a bit too much. I think it's more than just a small victory. The swift action from the Estate to have the songs removed is their acknowledgement of the controversies surrounding the songs. Even if they think the songs are 100% genuine, they now realize the Cascio tracks controversy remains a sore subject and better off stay away from it.

I'm really pleased about this development.

 

[Korgnex]

I wouldn't call it a new "development". They have already reacted to the controversy by dropping the singles "Keep Your Head Up" and "Monster" in the first place, that's when they acknowledged the controversy. I think this is far more important, especially for the doubters.

 

[love is magical]

I wouldn't call it a new "development". They have already reacted to the controversy by dropping the singles "Keep Your Head Up" and "Monster" in the first place, that's when they acknowledged the controversy. I think this is far more important, especially for the doubters.

Oh okay... good to know. I didn't know whether Sony really dropped the singles entirely due to the controversy. May be it's because of the lackluster performance of HMH? Hollywood Tonight and Behind The Mask were not proper single release neither. From my perspective, I don't see the significance of single release anymore. We will not get another Michael Jackson video or another Michael Jackson performance. All we get are remixes of the song.

Anyway, it still puzzled me that the creative team would include the controversial songs in the first place given the fact that they fully realized the controversy .

 

[Jesta]

^^Aww... The Captain E.O. shirt looks cool, Jesta!!!

Both you and Michael look great.

awww...Jesta, you look awesome...You stud muffin, you

Aww, thanks guys!! I love the T-shirt SO, so, so, so much!!!

Korgnex, can you elaborate in your post as to why you think this is so much more significant beyond the Estate recognizing the controversy?

 

[love is magical]

For me, the significance of the MJOnline Team's response is its directness. The statement reads like "Okay fans. We hear you. We realize the Cascio songs are too controversial. To make the show as perfect as it should be, along with other changes, we are going to remove the songs. So, the show will not be stained by the controversy." Now, we know that the Estate is willing to address our concerns in a much more transparent manner. I applaud their swift action this time.

 

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For me, the significance of the MJOnline Team's response is its directness. The statement reads like "Okay fans. We hear you. We realize the Cascio songs are too controversial. To make the show as perfect as it should be, along with other changes, we are going to remove the songs. So, the show will not be stained by the controversy." Now, we know that the Estate is willing to address our concerns in a much more transparent manner. I applaud their swift action this time.

I am glad the songs are removed, but I don't applaud the Estate at all. They are responsible for all this mess along with the Cascios and SONY.

 

[love is magical]

I am glad the songs are removed, but I don't applaud the Estate at all. They are responsible for all this mess along with the Cascios and SONY.

True. But, what happened cannot be undone. So, I can only hope that the Estate learn from this mishap and do not repeat in the future. Their swift action in removing the songs from the Cirque show setlist is a positive reinforcement.

 

[Arklove]

True. But, what happened cannot be undone. So, I can only hope that the Estate learn from this mishap and do not repeat in the future. Their swift action in removing the songs from the Cirque show setlist is a positive reinforcement.

I agree...It shows they're at least listening (maybe a little too late?)...But the removal of the songs are an acknowledgement of that...Although, removal of the songs in the first place when the whole mess started with the fans' reactions would have been better....But at least it's ?something...

 

[Jesta]

I agree...It shows they're at least listening (maybe a little too late?)...But the removal of the songs are an acknowledgement of that...Although, removal of the songs in the first place when the whole mess started with the fans' reactions would have been better....But at least it's ?something...

Agreed, though by the time the album was announced and Breaking News streamed, the process of physically creating the album had already begun and thus even with the bad publicity, they couldn't stop the release.

 

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True. But, what happened cannot be undone. So, I can only hope that the Estate learn from this mishap and do not repeat in the future. Their swift action in removing the songs from the Cirque show setlist is a positive reinforcement.

I must disagree on that one. It can be undone by a public announcement that those tracks are not MJ's work and do the necessary to retract the CDs from the stores and remove the songs from the future cd pressings and download sites such as i-tunes. There is much that they could do for their stupidity beyond excusable.

 

[Arklove]

Agreed, though by the time the album was announced and Breaking News streamed, the process of physically creating the album had already begun and thus even with the bad publicity, they couldn't stop the release.

They could have done something though....I mean, they had already started rehearsals with Monster and BN (and how long had they rehearsed these songs?), and when fans complained, the songs were surprisingly and quickly removed, which means now they have to incorporate new songs and choreography, sets, etc, and the first show is in, what, a few weeks? ...So, they could have done something in the beginning with the album...Even postpone...However, the album obviously wasn't for the fans but for the general public...

 

[Jesta]

They could have done something though....I mean, they had already started rehearsals with Monster and BN (and how long had they rehearsed these songs?), and when fans complained, the songs were surprisingly and quickly removed, which means now they have to incorporate new songs and choreography, sets, etc, and the first show is in, what, a few weeks? ...So, they could have done something in the beginning with the album...Even postpone...However, the album obviously wasn't for the fans but for the general public...

In all honesty, I think that they didn't take the outcry of the fans seriously then. They had several authentications done on the songs and they were confident with the results. It's only now that they've realized what they've gotten themselves into. It's better late than never.

 

[Arklove]

It's only now that they've realized what they've gotten themselves into. It's better late than never.

See, that's what gets me so pissed - how could they have not known at the time how fans would react? If they thought there was enough doubt with the songs to contact forensic analysis, several producers, in addition to questioning JM, etc, then obviously they knew at the time what they were getting themselves into, IMO

Saying 'better late than never' is a justification that should never be afforded to a company of their stature, IMO

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Yesterday when I saw on youtube some fans in the same room as Branca, I realized that I actually felt angry. You know, it was so touching to see how much fans have been loyal to MJ over the years, how much some fans have been touched by MJ's magic and soul. How much fans still love MJ and that that love has never vanished. And on the other hand you see this Branca with guilt on his fronthead for allowing MJ's magic vanish through those Cascio monstruosities.

As far as I am concerned this Estate doesn't have a clue about managing MJ's work and honestly I have lost all my faith in them. As far as Eddie Cascio is concerned, his friendship ceased from the moment Michael passed away.

Whoever on those track is singing or whataver had happened to those tracks, Eddie destroyed for a couple of bucks all the magic Michael had built all his life. I spit on the Estate and the Cascio for their lack of concern regarding those tracks and the manner they wrapped it and presented to the general public.

 

[love is magical]

I must disagree on that one. It can be undone by a public announcement that those tracks are not MJ's work and do the necessary to retract the CDs from the stores and remove the songs from the future cd pressings and download sites such as i-tunes. There is much that they could do for their stupidity beyond excusable.

I'm not Ivy or your wife. Why are you quarreling with me? :aggressive:

Based on observation, the Estate acknowledge the controversy, but deny any unethical practice. So, they would never issue a recall.

 

[StellaJackson]

Is it possible that part of the contract Eddie signed with Sony when selling them the songs stipulated that a minimum number must be used? That would make sense. I've always believed that it wasn't about the money for him, but producing an MJ album. I still believe his original idea was to have a whole album, hence the rather convenient figure of 12 songs. Clearly his work on Thriller 25, which most producers would kill for, was not enough. It was stated by their buddy Freidman, more than once I believe, that at least 5 Cascio tracks would be used. Remember that when Breaking News streamed, the tracklist had not been made public. It could have been even worse.

 

[coolcat75]

Is it possible that part of the contract Eddie signed with Sony when selling them the songs stipulated that a minimum number must be used? That would make sense. I've always believed that it wasn't about the money for him, but producing an MJ album. I still believe his original idea was to have a whole album, hence the rather convenient figure of 12 songs. Clearly his work on Thriller 25, which most producers would kill for, was not enough. It was stated by their buddy Freidman, more than once I believe, that at least 5 Cascio tracks would be used. Remember that when Breaking News streamed, the tracklist had not been made public. It could have been even worse.

I hope that the Estate has acknowledged that we don't want the Cascio songs. Like someone said earlier, not sure if it was on here, but I don't think we'll hear from Eddie again. I highly doubt it. I don't think him, Jason Malachi, or anyone will ever admit anything.

 

[StellaJackson]

I hope that the Estate has acknowledged that we don't want the Cascio songs. Like someone said earlier, not sure if it was on here, but I don't think we'll hear from Eddie again. I highly doubt it. I don't think him, Jason Malachi, or anyone will ever admit anything.

I agree with that. Jason has destroyed his own career and Eddie will never work in the music industry again and most fans hate him. I hope they think it was worth it.

 

[MusicMan26]

I must disagree on that one. It can be undone by a public announcement that those tracks are not MJ's work and do the necessary to retract the CDs from the stores and remove the songs from the future cd pressings and download sites such as i-tunes. There is much that they could do for their stupidity beyond excusable.

I was going to say the exact same thing until I read your post.

 

[ivy]

I must disagree on that one. It can be undone by a public announcement that those tracks are not MJ's work and do the necessary to retract the CDs from the stores and remove the songs from the future cd pressings and download sites such as i-tunes. There is much that they could do for their stupidity beyond excusable.

don't hold your breath. any announcement saying those tracks are not Michael equals to refunding album purchase price to anyone wants. So I'll classify it somewhere between highly unlikely to probably impossible.

 

[Frankyboy5]

All I need opens with "you are not alone" theme.

Stay and Burn Tonight don't even sound like Michael to me. I don't have the songs to re-listen to find back the melodies I evoked.

I meant they don't sample MJ vocals. My theory is, if a Cascio track has "hoo!" "aaow!" taken from other songs, Sony will approve them.

 

[StellaJackson]

I meant they don't sample MJ vocals. My theory is, if a Cascio track has "hoo!" "aaow!" taken from other songs, Sony will approve them.

All Cascio tracks are approved by Sony as they purchased all of them. Both All I Need and Stay were strongly considered for the album.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

I'm not Ivy or your wife. Why are you quarreling with me? :aggressive:

Based on observation, the Estate acknowledge the controversy, but deny any unethical practice. So, they would never issue a recall.

My wife, Ivy or not, I am not quarreling :naughty: I just don't agree to applauding any move from the Estate because they created all this mess in the first place.

Is it possible that part of the contract Eddie signed with Sony when selling them the songs stipulated that a minimum number must be used? That would make sense. I've always believed that it wasn't about the money for him, but producing an MJ album. I still believe his original idea was to have a whole album, hence the rather convenient figure of 12 songs. Clearly his work on Thriller 25, which most producers would kill for, was not enough. It was stated by their buddy Freidman, more than once I believe, that at least 5 Cascio tracks would be used. Remember that when Breaking News streamed, the tracklist had not been made public. It could have been even worse.

Money or interest, it is the same thing. Eddie took advantage of Michael's friendship.

don't hold your breath. any announcement saying those tracks are not Michael equals to refunding album purchase price to anyone wants. So I'll classify it somewhere between highly unlikely to probably impossible.

I carefully chose the terms. They don't need to say it is not Michael. I said they could say it is not Michael's work.

I meant they don't sample MJ vocals. My theory is, if a Cascio track has "hoo!" "aaow!" taken from other songs, Sony will approve them.

I see, but I was referring to the fact that almost every Cascio song contains melodies from previously released songs, it's a bit too much.

 

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@Love is magical

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