Michael - The Great Album Debate

I listened to Joe Vogel's interview with Positive Michael this morning. I got that he also has doubts. He even admitted that he has work relationships with several people worked in the tracks and it's better for him to stay away from the subject. Joe expressed that for every song he reserched on, he's able to get info from the very beginning stage and final stage of the song creation process. He could even listen to several different versions of the same song. He was not able to get much info on the Cascio tracks at all.

That's incredible, though...For someone like Joe who is able to gather so much information on all of Michael's music, but very little to none for the Cascio tracks speaks volumes...

That's puzzled me from the beginning...Absolutely no information on these tracks. If it exists, then where is it? Why is it so difficult for someone like Joe Vogel to access this information?
 
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@Jesta and Chamife, thank you from the bottom of my heart for the beautiful artworks!!! I'll save them to my PC when I get hom tonight. You guys are so amazing.

Thanks Michael. Because of you, I've had the opportunity to talk to all these amazing people. Love you always! :girl_in_love:
You're welcome! Ditto. I've posted a lot last two years on all subjects regarding Michael. Not on here, but on MJFC and another small forum. There aren't many subject left I feel bothered to post about, except for this one. I know I don't have to explain in here the way I feel about how Michael was taken advantage of after he died. And that these people succeeded in deceiving the public/fans is mindboggling and of course we can't accept that. You don't do that to any artist. We all feel the same and that is what bonds us, I think.

@Yukon Jack
Heard the snippet a few times, but that specific word didn't catch my particular attention. Hope to hear the snippet again and will listen more closely. But I bet you're right. Loved your post btw.
 
Greetings,

I've been away from the forum for a week or so and wanted to comment further on the release of all the cascio tracks but was busy traveling. Basically I held back siding with the doubters because when I was a younger man I believed, based upon the enormity of the evidence as I saw it, that JFK was assassinated as part of an inside job ala Oliver Stone's film. Later I read Vincent Bugliosi's "Four Days in November: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy" which proves without any reasonable doubt that the official story was sound and that, to my complete disbelief, Oswald was the lone gunman. Circumstantial evidence and ambiguities made the case lean in favor of conspiracy theorists of course, but Bugliosi's book clears it all up to my satisfaction--indeed, the book has more or less killed the conspiracy. In any event, my reserve with respect to the conspiracy of Malachi Cupeta and Eddie Cascio (and perhaps Teddy Riley, Porte, and Sony) was in part the result of having believed for so many years that JFK was killed by CIA black ops. Then, I heard the leaks. . . What truly sold me that it was indeed Malachi was a single word: "dangerous" in the "Water" track. . . This is so unmistakably Malachi that I even now question the innocence of Riley and Porte. No one could mistake this for Michael. It was as if Malachi wasn't even trying. . .

Sorry to bore the members with this personal tale, I just thought a few might appreciate it. . .


Yukon

If I am not mistaking you for someone else, I think you were not a doubter. So I am interested in something that is intriguing me in your post. You seem extremely certain to hear Jason saying DANGEROUS in WATER, yet you didn't seem to hear him in BREAKING NEWS. When I heard BN for the first time I could bet hearing Jason singing it especially towards the end "breaking the news..." as well as all the doubters here I suppose. When we were trying to point that out to believers, the believers responded and still respond that on Breaking News it is either Michael's vocals or Porte's vocals.

My question is, when you were not doubting the tracks who did you hear in Breaking News singing that part? Because for us doubters especially the end ad libs "breaking the news" sounds unmistakably Jason. Do you hear Jason in Breaking News or do you still hear Michael?
 
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Just listening to Water now. That "dangerous" is pretty bad but the whole song is a mess. The vibrato is one of the worst on this. Did Sony just buy these as some kind of a dare?
 
If I am not mistaking you for someone else, I think you were not a doubter. So I am interested in something that is intriguing me in your post. You seem extremely certain to hear Jason saying DANGEROUS in WATER, yet you didn't seem to hear him in BREAKING NEWS. When I heard BN for the first time I could bet hearing Jason singing it especially towards the end "breaking the news..." as well as all the doubters here I suppose. When we were trying to point that out to believers, the believers responded and still respond that on Breaking News it is either Michael's vocals or Porte's vocals.

My question is, when you were not doubting the tracks who did you hear in Breaking News singing that part? Because for us doubters especially the end ad libs "breaking the news" sounds unmistakably Jason. Do you hear Jason in Breaking News or do you still hear Michael?

Initially I recognized that something was amiss in Breaking News, to be sure, but I suspended judgment until more information surfaced, thinking that there is possibly some reason for the similarity to Cupeta, other than it actually being Cupeta. I had thought they were possibly rough vocal tracks recorded to help the producer build the instrumentals; I've done this myself in recording, that is record a rough with an approximation of the vocals and then go in and do a serious recording after the track is finished. After listening to all of the leaks I am now able to verify to my satisfaction that the strange vibrato is not the effect of pitch manipulation, nor Michael laying lazy vocals, instead it is the singer's (almost certainly Cupeta) voice-print. Also, honestly, I found it difficult to believe that these two nerds, Eddie and Cupeta, were capable of such an audacious fraud. There is still more to this story. . .

By the way, I liked the quote from the Tarjum?n al-Ashw?q. . .
 
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Water is really an excellent example of how this is NOT Michael Jackson.
Everyone should listen to it.

- Did Cupeta send Demos to Cascio, knowing of the fact, he knew MJ and worked with him on Thriller 25 - trying to sneak in some music? (hence the weird "I may be gonna work with MJ soon" [sth like that] statement?)
- Did Cascio then record Cupeta for some songs he/his brother already did (for MJ) with Porte - just for demo purposes?

This could explain the lack of Porte on some songs. Some seem to be Cascio/Porte/Malachi, some seem to be Cacio/Malachi.
 
Water is really an excellent example of how this is NOT Michael Jackson.
Everyone should listen to it.

- Did Cupeta send Demos to Cascio, knowing of the fact, he knew MJ and worked with him on Thriller 25 - trying to sneak in some music? (hence the weird "I may be gonna work with MJ soon" [sth like that] statement?)
- Did Cascio then record Cupeta for some songs he/his brother already did (for MJ) with Porte - just for demo purposes?

This could explain the lack of Porte on some songs. Some seem to be Cascio/Porte/Malachi, some seem to be Cacio/Malachi.

I believe that Cupeta was contacted by Cascio sometime around late 09/early 10. I also believe that some songs such as Black Widow, Burn 2Nite, Water were not even written until after Michael's death. Water was a cynical attempt to tie in with what Michael said in TII (water water) in order to make it look like Michael already knew the song. Again, it was Friedman who dropped this idea, no doubt he was given the idea by his source - Cascio.
 
It was a "hack" and Jason Malachi has deleted his site, facebook, myspace and twitter ever since.
 
Yeah that was a hack of his facebook. There are also numerous fake Jason accounts on twitter, facebook etc. At the moment, the real Jason has no online presence at all. I doubt he ever will now. Coward.
 
I wasn't aware that those voices were Porte..i thought all of it was Malachi. Ok so the lyrics itself is Malachi (or someone else....sure as hell not Mike) and these lines in the above link are Porte?
 
I wasn't aware that those voices were Porte..i thought all of it was Malachi. Ok so the lyrics itself is Malachi (or someone else....sure as hell not Mike) and these lines in the above link are Porte?

Yes the backing vocals in BN are Porte. Both him and Eddie Cascio were the only people who refused to be interviewed for Joe Vogel's book.
 
Both Jason and Porte are singing in that clip.

Listen to this instead, you can hear the BG vocals much clearer. You can hear Jason and Porte, and even a third voice almost whispering, which I think is Porte as well. Listen to the "No matter what", you can hear at least 3 voices.

http://soundcloud.com/pentum/breaking-news-bg
 
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Someone has uploaded the new Cascio snippets to youtube. Will be interesting to see how long they last this time.
 
Water is really an excellent example of how this is NOT Michael Jackson.
Everyone should listen to it.

- Did Cupeta send Demos to Cascio, knowing of the fact, he knew MJ and worked with him on Thriller 25 - trying to sneak in some music? (hence the weird "I may be gonna work with MJ soon" [sth like that] statement?)
- Did Cascio then record Cupeta for some songs he/his brother already did (for MJ) with Porte - just for demo purposes?

This could explain the lack of Porte on some songs. Some seem to be Cascio/Porte/Malachi, some seem to be Cacio/Malachi.

I think that all the Cascio songs are a perfect example of how the songs are not Michael Jackson. :D

I remember when I heard "STAY" for the first time. If I had heard it somewhere on the radio I wouldn't have had noticed it at all as an MJ song. The vocals are so not him in that song.
 
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