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Michael - The Great Album Debate

Jesta said:
So you don't think AT ALL that these pasted words would confuse listeners into thinking it's Michael, especially considering a pasted words makes 90% of the ad-libs at the end of Monster?
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No they did that cause maybe some vocals were missing and too much James Porte would sound weird so they took some lyrics from previous songs
 
ADKIc3mAnX, do you believe everything you read in the news?

ivy said:
but you have all the songs right?

so you own that album it's just you didn't pay for it.
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You know what I meant. If I have several songs from an artist on my computer, each song released on a compilation album named x, it wouldn't mean that I have that compilation album.

If someone even gave me "Michael", I would've thrown it away.
 
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ADKIc3mAnX said:
And a hell of a lot of people think it is so it's opinions but the fact is that it is MJ.

Before you say OMG it's not MJ it's Malachi that is not a fact that is an opinion this makes it a fact
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You need to really stop posting all the album credits like it's the gospel...They don't show one iota of proof, and I'm sorry, but you're gullible for thinking this makes it 'fact'...

So far, that's all you've been doing in this thread is relying on the album credits to tell you it's MJ....Yet you haven't explained what you actually hear, even though you've been asked several times....
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
No they did that cause maybe some vocals were missing and too much James Porte would sound weird so they took some lyrics from previous songs
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Right, so bookending phrases and repeating words from previous songs as 90% of the ad-libs is because of a lack of Cascio vocals... You do know that there are SEVERAL takes of many verse of multiple songs, right?
 
Jesta said:
It's REALLY best not to correct people on that term. There is no right answer at this present time. Many of us believe it's Malachi, the proof is in the pudding for us.

You're just going to end up annoying people with that kind of response.
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Then how do you know it's Malachi did he say he sung them ?

If not then don't speculate so fast
 
I received a gift last year signed by Santa Claus. I know Santa Claus exists, since he credited himself on a piece of paper for offering me the gift.
 
Jesta said:
Thanks for that Bumper! Now didn't a famous person ask us to question unbelievable things put in print? Some
of those album credits fall into that.

EDIT: Actually, the amount of doubters:believers is VASTLY outweighted. There are MUCH more doubters now.
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How do you know this ?
Was there a survey done ?
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
Then how do you know it's Malachi did he say he sung them ?

If not then don't speculate so fast
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Because the Cascio singer sounds like MJ.
Malachi sounds like MJ.

None of the above sound MJ.

The Cascio singer's voice ressembles more Malachi's voice than MJ's voice. The comparisons can prove it.

We've been waiting for almost a year to find a comparison between the Cascio singer and MJ's previous songs, we still haven't seen a single comparison.
 
Jesta said:
Didn't MJ once say "the truth is a lie told many times" or something to that effect. This directly applies to the genesis of these songs...

There are SO MANY questions left unanswered...
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actually that can apply to either side here. It could be very well that the believers could be lying to themselves that's Michael. It could also be that the doubter made themselves believe that it's Malachi.

that's why you need unbiased , objective people that aren't influenced (or leaded) by either side to make a determination

Jesta said:
EDIT: Actually, the amount of doubters:believers is VASTLY outweighted. There are MUCH more doubters now.
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argumentative. you are making that determination based on how many people still complain about the subject. and obviously people who strongly believe the songs to be fake will be the ones that would still be focused on this topic - hence resulting in a skewed picture of the numbers. Majority of the believers simply moved from this subject and enjoy the songs.also album sales numbers versus people who sign the protests show that people who bought the album yet do not complain is a lot higher. This was the same during Milli Vanilli fiasco. Even though the fake vocals and fraud was established it was around 5 -15% only complained and asked for money back.

sony's and estate's lack of action in my opinion demonstrates that this controversy wasn't that significant for them in the main scheme of the things and/or profit wise.
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
Then how do you know it's Malachi did he say he sung them ?

If not then don't speculate so fast
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Comparisons, damn good ones. TPIMaster ones show the vibrato is identical to Malachi, as is the phrasing. Not once do I hear Michael's accent in these songs.

EDIT: Thank you for correcting me, Ivy. Much appreciated :)
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
Where did that Rap come from ?

Where was that reporter and sound from ?

Answers: #1 Monster
#2 Breaking News

MJ's vocals were not added much but I did notice the scream from Monster on Thriller
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I did not ask who sang the rap part, I said it myself it was 50 cents in my earlier post.

I was asking you if you have heard a single note sung by the Cascio lead singer? Ha! is not singing, it's just shouting ha!

p.s. The reporter part is from Tabloid Junkie

[youtube]V8kUYr2ZC6U[/youtube]
 
Pentum said:
ADKIc3mAnX, do you believe everything you read in the news?

You know what I meant. If I have several songs from an artist on my computer, each song released on a compilation album named x, it wouldn't mean that I have that compilation album.

If someone even gave me "Michael", I would've thrown it away.
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I don't believe anything in the news.

And I see you said you would trow "Michael" away if someone gave it to you that is so wrong MJ fans don't do that to Michael's music
 
Arklove said:
You need to really stop posting all the album credits like it's the gospel...They don't show one iota of proof, and I'm sorry, but you're gullible for thinking this makes it 'fact'...

So far, that's all you've been doing in this thread is relying on the album credits to tell you it's MJ....Yet you haven't explained what you actually hear, even though you've been asked several times....
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You need to go back and read then.

I been a fan for 14-15 years I know Michael when I hear him.
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
You need to go back and read then.

I been a fan for 14-15 years I know Michael when I hear him.
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Then please, tell us where he is. I made a presentation on these songs for my college group and I could not find a single comparison showing these songs to be Michael, because no-one has yet to establish a non-pasted vocal that sounds like Michael. Even comparing two versions of Earth Song sung 15 years apart, it's definitely Michael and it sounds almost identical!

Arklove said:
Go back and read what?

I've been a fan for 22 years, I know MJ when I hear him....
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
And you were even not born when I was MJ's fan.
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Woo, my MJ family knows what they're on about! It's weird being the youngest MJ fan here :p
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Because the Cascio singer sounds like MJ.
Malachi sounds like MJ.

None of the above sound MJ.

The Cascio singer's voice ressembles more Malachi's voice than MJ's voice. The comparisons can prove it.

We've been waiting for almost a year to find a comparison between the Cascio singer and MJ's previous songs, we still haven't seen a single comparison.
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If you think Malachi sounds like MJ then you seriously have a hearing problem.

Compare Monster to any Malachi song you will see a BIG difference because on Monster MJ is singing lead vocals
 
Pentum said:
You know what I meant. If I have several songs from an artist on my computer, each song released on a compilation album named x, it wouldn't mean that I have that compilation album.

If someone even gave me "Michael", I would've thrown it away.
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this is just semantics. okay you don't have the physical album but you have the songs and listened to them and spent time to make comparisons. you probably listened to for example "keep your head up" a lot more than I did - as I never cared for the song.

and let me give an example : After hearing Lady Gaga's first single from her album I though her latest album wasn't good. So I didn't buy it, I didn't download any songs and I didn't even listen to the songs. I can say that I don't have her album very clearly.

Regardless of whether you have the physical Michael album or whether you paid for it or not, you have the songs and listened to them - extensively. and as you have Cascio songs on your computer , your argument that "you don't own Michael" album or that you would throw it away is nonsense imo. you are already in possession of the songs that you are so against who cares if it's physical copy or not. if you were trying to make the point of you are rejecting those songs, you shouldn't have them at all.
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
Compare Monster to any Malachi song you will see a BIG difference because on Monster MJ is singing lead vocals
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Bumper, you have a lot of comparisons, right? Care to type what a random Monster one contains quickly? Let the Monster Go is a popular one for flow. Heck, Pentum can help out!
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
I don't believe anything in the news.

And I see you said you would trow "Michael" away if someone gave it to you that is so wrong MJ fans don't do that to Michael's music
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Uff, now you know what MJ fans do and don't. I could say this: If you think it's MJ on these songs, then you're not a fan. But I won't.

Would you even listen to the video in the link?
 
Guys, do any of you remember all the info Birchey gave us? Y'know, about multiple takes etc.? If so, please post it because I can only vaguely remember a couple of points...
 
ivy said:
this is just semantics. okay you don't have the physical album but you have the songs and listened to them and spent time to make comparisons. you probably listened to for example "keep your head up" a lot more than I did - as I never cared for the song.

and let me give an example : After hearing Lady Gaga's first single from her album I though her latest album wasn't good. So I didn't buy it, I didn't download any songs and I didn't even listen to the songs. I can say that I don't have her album very clearly.

Regardless of whether you have the physical Michael album or whether you paid for it or not, you have the songs and listened to them - extensively. and as you have Cascio songs on your computer , your argument that "you don't own Michael" album or that you would throw it away is nonsense imo. you are already in possession of the songs that you are so against who cares if it's physical copy or not. if you were trying to make the point of you are rejecting those songs, you shouldn't have them at all.
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I still don't have the album. I don't have a folder called "Michael" either. I don't have the physical Michael album or the digital Michael album. What are you trying to accomplish?
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
I did not ask who sang the rap part, I said it myself it was 50 cents in my earlier post.

I was asking you if you have heard a single note sung by the Cascio lead singer? Ha! is not singing, it's just shouting ha!

p.s. The reporter part is from Tabloid Junkie

[youtube]V8kUYr2ZC6U[/youtube]
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Didn't you read my answer ?
 
Even just listening to that raw 'Privacy' vocal on the Immortal YT video, that growl, that grittiness in the voice...Can't compare to any of the Cascio vocals...Total fail....

What a disgrace...NO ONE compares to that voice....
 
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