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Michael - The Great Album Debate

StellaJackson said:
I'm wondering why we can't mention this is other threads yet it is ok for us to be attacked in other threads?
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Double standard. That post was malicious, vile and unfairly aimed at us. Of course I did what any member being attacked would do.
 
Maybe nasty is MJ in disguise, still alive, he created this controversy and used Jason to trick people and stir "controversy"(just so happens to be the title of this forum, eerie huh?). I think that proves it.
 
Jesta said:
Double standard. That post was malicious, vile and unfairly aimed at us. Of course I did what any member being attacked would do.
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Hm, I missed it. Is this going on in the Immortal thread or Franks book? I actually just went and noticed these other discussions taking place but didn't read through it all. Oh so little time, so many MJ threads...
 
I think I missed something here. Who posted what against whom? And what did you do Jesta?
 
azsummergirl said:
well maybe if you didn't relegate this thread to the controversy forum, the cascio talk wouldn't be infiltrating other topics.
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again as I mentioned you need to understand that this thread has been put here in due time. It spent months on a public forum about the album and the time that section was archived this thread was moved to here as it continued to be a controversy. You would see the same for the case section - once it serves it's purpose and the discussion settles it would make its way to the archives. It's a normal process.

i'm not advocating going off topic. people should talk about whatever the topic's about, in the thread they're in. those are the rules of this forum, and any other forum, for that matter. how does rightfully labeling this particular topic as what it is rather than controversy affect that?
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Controversy is a state of prolonged public dispute or debate, usually concerning a matter of opinion. This is a controversy. I really do not know or understand how you label it.

and, not to speak for pentum, but i think what "we wanted" was to not be lied to in the first place.
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I meant what you wanted in regards to this thread - to be free of believers. I didn't meant what you want in general or what you want from sony etc.

I'm wondering why we can't mention this is other threads yet it is ok for us to be attacked in other threads?
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as I told you over and over again there's a group of people who is against this topic and do not want to see it at other threads at all. It's only normal that if you take your issues with these songs and project them to other threads such as immortal , immortal album and frank's book you'll get attacked. treat this thread as your safe haven and express your opinions here.

Double standard. That post was malicious, vile and unfairly aimed at us. Of course I did what any member being attacked would do.
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I just came and do not really know what post you are talking about but if there was any attack please report it and I would be happy to clean the thread and give warnings , and same goes for every other moderator as well.
 
love is magical said:
So, a post like "the doubters are bringing down the sales of the album" in the Immortal album thread is acceptable until being reported?
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I didn't say that but if you don't report it it would stay there a lot longer.

Example : I work 8:30 to 4:30. during my breaks I check some topics that are interest to me. I check for reported posts when I have the time and ability to moderate (example : I can't moderate when I'm on my cell phone). Same is for all the mods (who all work). So if you want it to be responded quickly you need to report it. Or you'll have to wait for a moderator to come from work, go to that thread, read all that post and then make a judgement call as we generally do not moderate unless we see a report or an argument going on.

the reality is that moderators aren't machines. and reporting makes the difference in regards to quick versus late response.
 
Billyjeanplxiv said:
Im still confused by Monster, i still think i hear MJ....i just dont know how :/
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Me neither, it's one of the songs that sounds least like Michael. Try finding some vocals you can compare to Michael. If YOU think it sounds like Michael, YOU must be able to find other vocals where he sounds like in Monster.
 
Monster has and still is the most convincing to me. When i first heard breaking news, i had doubts when i first heards the Aooowww. before Everybody wantin a peice of Michael [jackson]

[] =Porte backing.
 
Do you here the same grit/husk, the same timbre? I don't.

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love is magical;3526270 said:
I'm loving this Pros and Cons comparison game. Thiron, thanks for starting it. ;)

Here are my cons:



First, identiy of the two "best" forensic musicologists unknown.

Second, what credentials and experience the forensic musicologists that quality them to be an expert in singing voice recognition? Working musicologists are hired to work on copyright infringement cases most of the time. Singing voice recongnition is still a very elusive discipline.



Is Jason Malachi's words absolutely reliable? The Estate's due diligence effort does not equate to investigation effort.



Some of Michael's collaborators, such as Rodney Jerkins, expressed doubt.
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Exactly.

TJ Jackson said it is in impersonator, sounds like Jason Malachi, vibrato is a dead give away.

Taryll Jackson said Breaking News and a few other songs are not Michael Jackson

Corey Rooney said Breaking News is not Michael, statement MJ Estate is bullshit.

Rodney Jerkings said that Breaking News didn't sound like Michael Jackson to him

Karen Faye said that the ‘heaviness’ , instead of of the pure and light quality of Michael’s voice and the ‘holding back’ quality in Breaking News don’t sound right to her.

Jackie Jackson said that he and his friend John McClain expressed concerns about the songs, but weren’t taken seriously.

Jennifer Batten said that Breaking News didn’t sound anything like him and thought is was very weird.

Randy Jackson said that some of the songs on ‘Michael’ are Michael and some aren't and that he would bet his life on that.

Tony Kurtis (producer Jason Malachi) said he knows without a doubt the vocals on Breaking News are Jason Malachi, because he recorded with Jason for ten years off and on. He could never get him as tight as Michael, because Jason is tone deaf and Michael could really sing. He further said that no pitch change can bring out a person's true voice like you hear on Breaking News and that Michael’s vibrato isn’t as fast as Jason’s, plus Jason over uses his. Michael could really sing and he didn’t use it as much.
He would have never thought Jason would have went out like this, because he thought that Jason was a good person that really loved Michael's music.


Many doubters have no idea of the family's tweets prior to listening to Breaking News.


Could someone educate me about the "new style" featured in the Cascio tracks? I honestly don't recognize any. Just average recycled pop pieces.
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Michael singing in Hispanic all of a sudden (Burn 2 Night) for instance... :smilerolleyes:


Maybe it's an idea @Thiron to mention all these names as well as the big names who publically stated it's not Michael singing or expressed doubts about the vocals.

And I can't find the quote from Will.I.am, but I thought he also said the same thing, but I'm not sure.
 
ivy said:
I didn't say that but if you don't report it it would stay there a lot longer.

Example : I work 8:30 to 4:30. during my breaks I check some topics that are interest to me. I check for reported posts when I have the time and ability to moderate (example : I can't moderate when I'm on my cell phone). Same is for all the mods (who all work). So if you want it to be responded quickly you need to report it. Or you'll have to wait for a moderator to come from work, go to that thread, read all that post and then make a judgement call as we generally do not moderate unless we see a report or an argument going on.

the reality is that moderators aren't machines. and reporting makes the difference in regards to quick versus late response.
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WhoIsIt89 said:
If no one saw it, who's going to take action?
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ivy said:
exactly what I wanted to say in a lot shorter fashion :)
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I understand everyone has a busy schedule and being moderators are bascially being voluneers. So, I appreciate your time and effort. And, I'm not at all complaining about any inefficiency.

The comment is made in the Immortal Thread, not a tiny little obscure thread. I can say it's highly active, so highly moderated? My point is I don't care if the post is removed or not. I don't care if the thread is clean or not. What I care about is the general atmosphere for people who are critical about official release. When the term "Cascio tracks' is mentioned in other thread, a moderator is almost always there to intervene shortly. But, when something as biased as "the doubters are bringing down the sales" is posted, there is no warning at all.

Take another instance, Bumper posted his comment on the megamix. Instantly, he's subject to personal attack. He didn't even mention one word about the Cascio tracks. He just expressed his dislike of remix album. Why can't he express his unfavorable opinon without being attacked? If I say I'm not excited about the Immortal album, I'm quite sure someone will label my comment "negative".

A warning/statement saying "Please be respestful to your fellow members, despite their different opinons" is appreciated. Fans who are critical about Sony are not always conspiracy theorists. Some of us are just fed up with all the recent disappointments. It doesn't make the critical fans lesser fans. Sometimes, a little gesture goes a long way.

Not target to anyone here. Just expressing how I feel about the atmosphere here lately.
 
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Billyjeanplxiv said:
Im still confused by Monster, i still think i hear MJ....i just dont know how :/
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Maybe I'm confusing you with another poster (sorry..:D), but wasn't it you who said that how I could say the voices in the comparison 'Let the Monster Go' were identical? And then you said they were totally different?

Because to me THAT comparison was the most convincing I ever heard.
 
love is magical said:
I understand everyone has a busy schedule and being moderators are bascially being voluneers. So, I appreciate your time and effort. And, I'm not at all complaining about any inefficiency.

The comment is made in the Immortal Thread, not a tiny little obscure thread. I can say it's highly active, so highly moderated? My point is I don't care if the post is removed or not. I don't care if the thread is clean or not. What I care about is the general atmosphere for people who are critical about official release. When the term "Cascio tracks' is mentioned in other thread, a moderator is almost always there to intervene shortly. But, when something as biased as "the doubters are bringing down the sales", there is no warning at all.

Take another instance, Bumper posted his comment on the megamix. Instantly, he's subject to personal attack. He didn't even mention one word about the Cascio tracks. He just expressed his dislike of remix album. Why can't he express his unfavorable opinon without being attacked? If I say I'm not excited about the Immortal album, I'm quite sure someone will label my comment "negative".
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I actually haven't expressed any dislike at all! I just said that it was another album with known songs -- remixed. I added that we had plenty of remixes here for free. Nothing more, nothing less.

And it's true I was attacked for that.
 
Anyone have that Monster VS Let Me Go mix where both songs are playing at the same time in different speakers?
 
Chamife said:
Maybe I'm confusing you with another poster (sorry..:D), but wasn't it you who said that how I could say the voices in the comparison 'Let the Monster Go' were identical? And then you said they were totally different?

Because to me THAT comparison was the most convincing I ever heard.
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It could have been me, but i still believe that Jason Malachi, and the Cascio singer could be 2 different people. Sure jason may have helped, but honestly i think theres a difference between the 2.

I dont have spotify, so i cant listen to it agian
 
love is magical said:
I understand everyone has a busy schedule and being moderators are bascially being voluneers. So, I appreciate your time and effort. And, I'm not at all complaining about any inefficiency.

The comment is made in the Immortal Thread, not a tiny little obscure thread. I can say it's highly active, so highly moderated? My point is I don't care if the post is removed or not. I don't care if the thread is clean or not. What I care about is the general atmosphere for people who are critical about official release. When the term "Cascio tracks' is mentioned in other thread, a moderator is almost always there to intervene shortly. But, when something as biased as "the doubters are bringing down the sales" is posted, there is no warning at all.

Take another instance, Bumper posted his comment on the megamix. Instantly, he's subject to personal attack. He didn't even mention one word about the Cascio tracks. He just expressed his dislike of remix album. Why can't he express his unfavorable opinon without being attacked? If I say I'm not excited about the Immortal album, I'm quite sure someone will label my comment "negative".

A warning/statement saying "Please be respestful to your fellow members, despite their different opinons" is appreciated. Fans who are critical about Sony are not always conspiracy theorists. Some of us are just fed up with all the recent disappointments. It doesn't make the critical fans lesser fans. Sometimes, a little gesture goes a long way.

Not target to anyone here. Just expressing how I feel about the atmosphere here lately.
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I came home - finally have the ability to moderate - and I cleaned the thread based on the fact that it's causing arguments and there was already a mod warning in that thread. I can't speak for the rest of the moderators but it's the first time I've been to that thread today.

however when I looked to the posts I saw a post from a doubter saying "if monster is included then of course we will boycott" , not "I" but "we" and not "will not buy" but "boycott". If a doubter goes to that thread and states a boycott as an obvious thing then you can get the comment of "you are hurting the sales" as any boycott will hurt the sales.

I know you'll tell me that person is not representative of you all and if that's the case perhaps they should use "I" rather than "we" and do not use words such as "boycott" or "of course".

Also a person that says "obviously we will boycott" is not really respecting the feelings of others that want to buy that album.

As I said a million times - and I'm not lying - there's a group of people that do not feel / think like you do and/or do not want to see or read this topic at all. so perhaps even if you have any concerns about the immortal album and any possible release of monster on it - it would be better to discuss it on this thread.
 
Billyjeanplxiv said:
Monster has and still is the most convincing to me. When i first heard breaking news, i had doubts when i first heards the Aooowww. before Everybody wantin a peice of Michael [jackson]

[] =Porte backing.
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The aooowww is sampled from the YRMW a capella.
 
ivy said:
I came home - finally have the ability to moderate - and I cleaned the thread based on the fact that it's causing arguments and there was already a mod warning in that thread. I can't speak for the rest of the moderators but it's the first time I've been to that thread today.

however when I looked to the posts I saw a post from a doubter saying "if monster is included then of course we will boycott" , not "I" but "we" and not "will not buy" but "boycott". If a doubter goes to that thread and states a boycott as an obvious thing then you can get the comment of "you are hurting the sales" as any boycott will hurt the sales.

I know you'll tell me that person is not representative of you all and if that's the case perhaps they should use "I" rather than "we" and do not use words such as "boycott" or "of course".

Also a person that says "obviously we will boycott" is not really respecting the feelings of others that want to buy that album.

As I said a million times - and I'm not lying - there's a group of people that do not feel / think like you do and/or do not want to see or read this topic at all. so perhaps even if you have any concerns about the immortal album and any possible release of monster on it - it would be better to discuss it on this thread.
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That post was deleted over a week ago by Qbee and we dealt with the issue then. So I'm not sure why you felt the need to bring it up again.
 
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