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Michael - The Great Album Debate

OnirMJ said:
You are really boring with your 0,5 or 1 sec snippets. Of course that no one can say anything about that. I don't know why are you teasing us with such stuff? We know that you have connection and that you have many unreleased MJ songs and all Cascio demos. It's great for you, but if you are not willing to share the full songs or at least 30sec snippets then I don't understand your intensions.
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As much as I respect Korgnex, agree with him and wish I had access to what he has, I have to agree with OnirMJ on this. You can't tell anything from a one-second sample.

Also, since so much -- in this debate -- depends on how much of the released Cascio tracks feature James Porte, I respectfully ask Korgnex to explain why he is so sure that the "too bad" line is Porte. For if it is indeed Porte, it would mean that a lot of the vocals that have been considered up until now as "Jason Malachi" would indeed simply be James Porte -- a real "game-changer" in this debate.
 
kreen said:
As much as I respect Korgnex, agree with him and wish I had access to what he has, I have to agree with OnirMJ on this. You can't tell anything from a one-second sample.

Also, since so much -- in this debate -- depends on how much of the released Cascio tracks feature James Porte, I respectfully ask Korgnex to explain why he is so sure that the "too bad" line is Porte. For if it is indeed Porte, it would mean that a lot of the vocals that have been considered up until now as "Jason Malachi" would indeed simply be James Porte -- a real "game-changer" in this debate.
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Not really a real "game-changer", cuz the doubters from the very beginning said specifically that that "too bad" part was not MJ. Now who cares whether it is Jason or Porte?
 
kreen said:
As much as I respect Korgnex, agree with him and wish I had access to what he has, I have to agree with OnirMJ on this. You can't tell anything from a one-second sample.

Also, since so much -- in this debate -- depends on how much of the released Cascio tracks feature James Porte, I respectfully ask Korgnex to explain why he is so sure that the "too bad" line is Porte. For if it is indeed Porte, it would mean that a lot of the vocals that have been considered up until now as "Jason Malachi" would indeed simply be James Porte -- a real "game-changer" in this debate.
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The singer who sings "too bad" line sings all the lead vocals on all 12 songs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdV5YTpuKIs

And I mean "too bad" at 0:56. So that there is no confusion this time.

And that means that James Porte is the lead vocalist, meaning that Breaking News accapella is all James Porte. If that is the case I don't have anything against it. It is completly irrelevant to me if the vocalist is James Porte, Jason Malachi or someone else. The point is that it is not Michael Jackson.
 
It seems some believers are actually more fixated on Jason Malachi than some doubters, lol. For the gazillionth time, it doesn't matter who it is. Who it isn't is the issue :D
 
And as each day passes, there is still no proof for the Cascio tracks being sung by Michael whatsoever, and hundreds of reasons to completely doubt their validity. I remember the announcement of work tapes, of important information, demo's, a capella's... NOTHING.
 
MJelboo said:
And as each day passes, there is still no proof for the Cascio tracks being sung by Michael whatsoever, and hundreds of reasons to completely doubt their validity. I remember the announcement of work tapes, of important information, demo's, a capella's... NOTHING.
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Actually they posted Breaking News accapella online and proved nothing, acapella sounded even worse and less MJ and copy/paste MJ samples were clear and even more evident without all those effects. I don't know why they did that.
 
For me, the "too baaaaaaaad" line @ 0:56 in the song is Malachi's lead vocals layered over Porte's background vocals. The two other times you hear too bad, it's JUST background vocals by Porte.
 
OnirMJ said:
Actually they posted Breaking News accapella online and proved nothing, acapella sounded even worse and less MJ and copy/paste MJ samples were clear and even more evident without all those effects. I don't know why they did that.
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To some fans that acappella sounded even more MJ
LMAO
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
To some fans that acappella sounded even more MJ
LMAO
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I don't know how is that possible, but maybe because copy/pasted MJ samples from previous recording were more clear and apparent, like breaths pasted before every word.
 
a little note

I think what some people are trying to say "If you listened to Porte and said it was Malachi, how credible is your vocal identification?"

that's why the "who" matters. It's not because people expect you to say "oh it's porte then everything is fine". you can still have issues with Porte vocals or any other vocal.
 
ivy said:
a little note

I think what some people are trying to say "If you listened to Porte and said it was Malachi, how credible is your vocal identification?"
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Nobody ever said for sure who it WAS, but who it WASN'T. And during that time all the believers were defending the idea that it WAS MJ! So how credible is yours?
 
ivy said:
a little note

I think what some people are trying to say "If you listened to Porte and said it was Malachi, how credible is your vocal identification?"

that's why the "who" matters. It's not because people expect you to say "oh it's porte then everything is fine". you can still have issues with Porte vocals or any other vocal.
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My vocal identification is credible. I'm saying it is an impersonator who is trying very hard to sound like Michael Jackson, but he is not succeeding and that impersonator shares a lot of vocal habits with Jason Malachi.

"who" doesn't matter at all. What matters is who isn't like Bumper said. It's not "everything fine" if the vocalist is James Porte. It's exactly the same if it's him, me, you, Bumper or Jason Malachi.
 
Korgnex said:
Like always, Mr. TPIMaster doesn't acknowledge he's mistaking Porte for Malachi on all 12 Cascio songs.

The anti-Korgnex haters club members are back to diss me, lol...
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So the lead vocals on all the songs are James Porte? And James Porte was impersonating Jason impersonating Michael impersonating Jason and James impersonating Michael and James?
 
Besides, Ivy, you completely forget to take into account that we know MJ's voice, not JM's or JP's. So for us they're just soundalikes. But as Onir said, the vocalist's technique and voice ressembles JM's voice a lot. As far as JP is concerned we don't even know him, we haven't even heard him singing in any song trying to imitate MJ, so we don't have any reference regarding JP.

Our reference is MJ, and all we say, it's NOT MJ.
 
StellaJackson said:
So the lead vocals on all the songs are James Porte? And James Porte was impersonating Jason impersonating Michael impersonating Jason and James impersonating Michael and James?
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I think it's possible that it is James Porte on all the leads impersonating Michael and on the backgrounds just being himself. It is definitly more believable than that it's Michael Jackson. We don't know how James sounds when he's impersonating Michael and according to that engineer he sounds very similar. Like Taryll said there are thousands Michael Jackson impersonators, but there is only one Michael Jackson.
 
OnirMJ said:
I think it's possible that it is James Porte on all the leads impersonating Michael and on the backgrounds just being himself. It is definitly more believable than that it's Michael Jackson. We don't know how James sounds when he's impersonating Michael and according to that engineer he sounds very similar. Like Taryll said there are thousands Michael Jackson impersonators, but there is only one Michael Jackson.
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So when impersonating Mj, Porte just happens to share Malachi's vibrato, tone, pitch, accent and pornounciation?
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Nobody ever said for sure who it WAS
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uhmm so I was dreaming when some people said "It's 100% Malachi"? At least talk for yourself and not everyone.

OnirMJ said:
M It's not "everything fine" if the vocalist is James Porte.
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you might want to read my post again. I said the same thing, that it's not fine and you can still have issues with Porte or whomever the vocal is.
 
ivy said:
uhmm so I was dreaming when some people said "It's 100% Malachi"? At least talk for yourself and not everyone.
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What is worse people pinpointing the line and mistake JP for Malachi or people defending the idea that it's neither JM nor JP but MJ? The point stays, it does not matter who it is, but who it is not. By the way, neither JP nor JM did come forward to answer anyone's questions. Also, if that's Porte on the Cascio tracks, then he sounds extremely close to JM, and that's undeniable.
 
StellaJackson said:
So when impersonating Mj, Porte just happens to share Malachi's vibrato, tone, pitch, accent and pornounciation?
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It sounds like JM to me. But we can't be sure. All we know for sure is that it's not Michael Jackson.
 
ivy said:
you might want to read my post again. I said the same thing, that it's not fine and you can still have issues with Porte or whomever the vocal is.
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Oh, ok then. I do have issues with Porte or whomever the vocal is.
 
StellaJackson said:
And still a serious criminal offence.
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Porte is credited on the album, it wouldn't be fraud if he had any vocals - lead or background. Unless of course you claim there's no Michael Jackson vocals. Then yeah.

ps : why aren't you taking it easy and resting?
 
Billyjeanplxiv said:
....What if its just James Porte and Jason has nothing to do with this....
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It's the same thing. Still not Michael Jackson. Maybe it's not James Porte, nor Jason Malachi, maybe it's some unknown, no name impersonator.
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
What is worse people pinpointing the line and mistake JP for Malachi or people defending the idea that it's neither JM nor JP but MJ? The point stays, it does not matter who it is, but who it is not. By the way, neither JP nor JM did come forward to answer anyone's questions. Also, if that's Porte on the Cascio tracks, then he sounds extremely close to JM, and that's undeniable.
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And all that talk about lead vocals being James Porte started because Korgnex said it without any evidence even though "he can prove it in court".

It IS possible but very unlikely.
 
ivy said:
Porte is credited on the album, it wouldn't be fraud if he had any vocals - lead or background. Unless of course you claim there's no Michael Jackson vocals. Then yeah.

ps : why aren't you taking it easy and resting?
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Too excited about Bad 25.
 
OnirMJ said:
And all that talk about lead vocals being James Porte started because Korgnex said it without any evidence even though "he can prove it in court".

It IS possible but very unlikely.
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We pinpointed that "too bad" part ages ago. I provided the link. I don't know what's new about it except that all of sudden some believers found out that finally it is not MJ, something we've been saying all along.
 
ivy said:
a little note

I think what some people are trying to say "If you listened to Porte and said it was Malachi, how credible is your vocal identification?"
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That's exactly it. The anti-Cascio people have been flooding the Internet for two years now with audio comparisons between the Cascio singer and Malachi, claiming that it was obvious that it was the same person, that anybody with ears could hear that, and that you had to be crazy not to realize it. And now they'd simply go, "oh well we never said it was Jason Malachi; we only said it wasn't MJ". No way : somebody will have to apologize for all the times I've had to read the words "vibrato", "snort" and "Cupeta" these part two years -- IF it turns out to be Porte on that "too bad" line.
 
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