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Michael's Manhood Thread - 18+ (Read The First Post For Rules!)

MacMandy90 said:
Exactly! 😊

And we all know this is true...lol
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Yes Michael! Yes! You know it, I know it, the whole world knows it!
 
staywild23 said:
ok...all the photos you posted are amazing. All of them. But something about this one... holy ****. This one is penetrating my soul. Good God.
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Exactly. It's just ... beyond.

This photo isn't rare. I've seen it here and there. But it doesn't crop up loads. And I was burning to post it but the pb thing was SO intrusive. I'll do it if it's just below his face and I can't resist but this level of intrusion? It's a crime, lol.

Anyway, I caved in. Can only hope Hiker can work a miracle. It does look to me like the pb has just been slapped on top. Fingers crossed.
 
Did anyone else think this thread had 1300+ pages? And now we are down to 1105? I don't bookmark so I can't tell, but @zinniabooklover I think you said you bookmark pages, did something change?
 
Hiker said:
Did anyone else think this thread had 1300+ pages? And now we are down to 1105? I don't bookmark so I can't tell, but @zinniabooklover I think you said you bookmark pages, did something change?
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@staywild23

That's weird. Manhood def had in excess of 1300 pages. I haven't been on it too much this past week but I know for sure it was more than 1300. 1326? Something like that?

In the past, when the mods have had to go in and clean up, they've taken out loads of pages. I know they've taken out in excess of 1,000 comments before now and I know it messes with the page count. You can see people flagging up a page count (say they've reached 500 pages) but it no longer matches the actual page count. But we haven't been modded, afaik, and anyway, we have our own 'in-house' mod. We have Hiker who I'm sure would let us know if we were getting a bit out of hand.

To lose that many pages makes no sense. We've lost all those lovely photos? Really?

Unless it's just pages where there are no longer any images. I love going through the archives but it can be somewhat tiresome cos you can get endless pages where images have been deleted. There's just nothing. Maybe someone decided to ditch some of those pages. Although there's loads of comments still there so it would still be a bit weird.

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zinniabooklover said:
Unless it's just pages where there are no longer any images. I love going through the archives but it can be somewhat tiresome cos you can get endless pages where images have been deleted. There's just nothing. Maybe someone decided to ditch some of those pages. Although there's loads of comments still there so it would still be a bit weird.
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I don't think there are any other active moderators at the moment. I did see lot of posts that were deleted in older pager, so I am guessing (hoping) that those got cleaned up by the system. I am checking with Gaz though he has not been around for few days.
 
Hiker said:
I don't think there are any other active moderators at the moment. I did see lot of posts that were deleted in older pager, so I am guessing (hoping) that those got cleaned up by the system. I am checking with Gaz though he has not been around for few days.
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Let's hope that's it. I really hate the idea of any photos being lost. And I'm not just saying that cos I like to go in and look for treasures that need another moment in the spotlight. I think all of the threads here on the board are to be treasured (that's why I love the archives so much) but the picture threads in particular are so precious. More than any other type of thread the picture threads bring so much joy (and other things, lol).
 
Hiker said:
I don't think there are any other active moderators at the moment. I did see lot of posts that were deleted in older pager, so I am guessing (hoping) that those got cleaned up by the system. I am checking with Gaz though he has not been around for few days.
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Wow, I didn't realize that it was just you, Hiker! That must be a lot. I'm grateful for the work you do on this forum!

zinniabooklover said:
Let's hope that's it. I really hate the idea of any photos being lost. And I'm not just saying that cos I like to go in and look for treasures that need another moment in the spotlight. I think all of the threads here on the board are to be treasured (that's why I love the archives so much) but the picture threads in particular are so precious. More than any other type of thread the picture threads bring so much joy (and other things, lol).
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I also feel really sad imagining these pages getting deleted. I know there are a lot of pages where links to photos were deleted, or are broken (which is super frustrating, especially when the consensus is that they are amazing). But I also enjoy the conversation and commentary, even when we can't see them. It also just feels like erasing some history of the fandom, which I don't like. I love how huge and popular this thread is. I just feel sad imagining any of it being lost to time, especially if it doesn't have to be.

Also, not to sound all self-important or turn this thread into something it's not, but for a man who was so mistreated through his entire life regarding his appearance, I think this thread actually does something kind of important. I mean...I literally started Googling "is Michael Jackson sexy?" because I genuinely couldn't believe I was so wildly attracted to someone I was SO manipulated into believing wasn't attractive. I didn't even trust my own reaction to him, that's how intensely the media pushed that narrative. It was finding THIS thread, before I even knew this forum existed otherwise, that allowed me to fully embrace this. I feel like Michael deserves to have a space that is so forcefully positive about his appearance and image. While he is so significantly more than his sexiness, it is also not superficial or shallow to acknowledge that his sexiness was a subset of his aura that drew millions of fans into his stratosphere.

Whew...I"m in some kind of a mood today lol.
 
Oh yeah, I just noticed that too! 🤔

I've noticed on pages that there's broken images/image can no longer be found kind of thing. Probably it has been so long, possibly some spring cleaning on those pages that may look choppy or lack viewing? Definitely having a Sherlock moment here lol :ROFLMAO: Anywho we'll see what it is, not to worry, not all is lost we still have so much gloriousness in this thread.

@Hiker You're amazing doll, thank you for all you do here! ❤️
 
staywild23 said:
Wow, I didn't realize that it was just you, Hiker! That must be a lot. I'm grateful for the work you do on this forum!
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No, it's no work really. Everyone is very civil and proper.
MacMandy90 said:
You're amazing doll, thank you for all you do here! ❤️
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staywild23 said:
because I genuinely couldn't believe I was so wildly attracted to someone I was SO manipulated into believing wasn't attractiv
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Luckily for me, I was not aware of all of that negative press, just remember hearing some news about plastic surgery when he died and ignored it as some tabloid nonsense. I had no idea of how insanely famous he was at peak of his career, I have to say he redefined the concept of 'famous' for me. I won't go again into whole story, but stick to Manhood part - first thing I remember is seeing YANA video, that time it was between ok and weird. Then I saw the HIStory trailer - and I was like - is he for real! How can someone be so beautiful, so perfect (not sexy yet) :love: ! That led to Dangerous concert, not HIStory funny enough. Just see Michael dance on stage with such precision and technique, perfect moves, perfect perfect perfect! I was like this is insane! How did I not know all this! I was already in love with his perfection.
And then Michael in that outfit, showing all kinds of Abs, touching himself all over and dancing so perfectly (and provocatively, lets be real here!). Grabbing his crotch again and again so comfortably on stage. Usually overtly sexy stuff on screen turns me off, but I was hooked. He was already doing something to my brain, he was touching, humping, thrusting but my brain did not find it vulgar! 🔥🔥 First I was almost like 😶‍🌫️ am I even allowed to see it! Appreciate Manhood! Then HIStory tour, gold pants :eek:😲, I think that's when I searched to know if my brain has just crossed over to a perv place or there is really a lot going on with Mike Jr on stage!
Very glad to know I was not the only one!
 
First, let me just say I never tire of hearing about how we all came to love/lust for Michael lol. It's like exchanging stories of falling in love, except it's all about the same person, and there is no jealousy haha. It's very fun to me. Anyway, I want to respond to what you said, because it's so interesting to me.

Hiker said:
Luckily for me, I was not aware of all of that negative press, just remember hearing some news about plastic surgery when he died and ignored it as some tabloid nonsense. I had no idea of how insanely famous he was at peak of his career, I have to say he redefined the concept of 'famous' for me.
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It actually gives me a lot of hope that you weren't aware of the negative press about him. It mean some places in the world that was not the leading, or only narrative about him. It also makes me think that the particular brand of negativity I grew up with is probably not going to carry into younger people, because it's not the main thing we hear about now. Anyway, I think maybe because I was a pre-teen/teen in the early 2000s in the US it was just completely impossible to avoid. He was so mistreated. But beyond how horrible it was for him, which is the most important thing, I also blame it entirely for the reason that I never got into his music until now. Even though I've never been into pop music at all, in the 2000s I will still more open to it (as opposed to my 20s when I was basically 100% disinterested in it). Had I not been manipulated into thinking he was weird, and that I would be weird by extension for liking him, I probably would have been curious about him. It just makes me sad that those feelings stayed with me for so long and certainly remain with a lot of people my age.

Hiker said:
I won't go again into whole story, but stick to Manhood part - first thing I remember is seeing YANA video, that time it was between ok and weird.
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Yeah, I have only watched it a couple times and have never really felt it. I haven't even tried to watch it since probably the first month of my obsession though, so maybe I'd feel differently about it now. I just remember feeling a little strange about it. Hard to explain.

Hiker said:
Then I saw the HIStory trailer - and I was like - is he for real! How can someone be so beautiful, so perfect (not sexy yet) :love:
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I actually didn't like the HIStory trailer initially. Not because of his looks (he looks beautiful in it) but I didn't like the...posturing? Either way, I don't feel that way about it at all now. Keep in mind the first month or so I became obsessed with him, my mind was still extremely distorted by the media. I didn't even fully discredit the allegations in my mind until like 2 months into it, so I had a lot of mixed ideas when I watched his interviews and stuff in those earlier days. To put it simply, I was ultimately shocked by who I have learned he actually was.

Hiker said:
! That led to Dangerous concert, not HIStory funny enough. Just see Michael dance on stage with such precision and technique, perfect moves, perfect perfect perfect! I was like this is insane! How did I not know all this! I was already in love with his perfection.
And then Michael in that outfit, showing all kinds of Abs, touching himself all over and dancing so perfectly (and provocatively, lets be real here!). Grabbing his crotch again and again so comfortably on stage. Usually overtly sexy stuff on screen turns me off, but I was hooked. He was already doing something to my brain, he was touching, humping, thrusting but my brain did not find it vulgar! 🔥🔥 First I was almost like 😶‍🌫️ am I even allowed to see it! Appreciate Manhood!
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His dancing was absolutely my avenue into this lol. At first I just thought he was the coolest person in the world. So ****** smooth, so much swagger, so much charisma. It's so funny, I actually remember feeling somewhat scandalized by all the crotch grabbing (which is hilarious if you know me, because next to nothing scandalizes me). But I think that came from the fact that I was starting to see him sexually and that was what was scandalizing me, more than the actual moves. Now I'm not scandalized at all and it feels totally normal to watch (just like feeling a constant sexual response to him feels normal now lol).

I totally know what you mean too... I can't imagine literally any other man dancing like this and me actually liking it. I would never be into this kind of thing otherwise. I think the fact that he is SOOO good at what he does and does it so tastefully, while also so enticingly, that's the recipe. The talent and the taste (along with the incredible looks and style, of course).

Hiker said:
Then HIStory tour, gold pants :eek:😲, I think that's when I searched to know if my brain has just crossed over to a perv place or there is really a lot going on with Mike Jr on stage!
Very glad to know I was not the only one!
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I genuinely remember when I didn't feel anything about the gold pants lol. IT's so funny now because I love them. I genuinely think the entire outfit is so sexy. Every stage of it. But initially I didn't think much about it either way. I'll always prefer his Bad tour clothing out of all, I think, (that's actually the first time I saw "Mike Jr" on stage...I still remember the physical reaction it gave me lol).

Something I would love to know from people in general is what your impression of Michael was prior to becoming a fan/going crazy about him. When he was just a famous name in the backdrop. Because now that I know how amazing he is, I find myself annoyed by people who don't hold him in that regard, even though I was literally one of those people this time last year lol.

Sorry, a lot of this isn't necessarily manhood oriented, but I do enjoy these conversations!
 
staywild23 said:
It actually gives me a lot of hope that you weren't aware of the negative press about him. It mean some places in the world that was not the leading, or only narrative about him. It also makes me think that the particular brand of negativity I grew up with is probably not going to carry into younger people, because it's not the main thing we hear about now. Anyway, I think maybe because I was a pre-teen/teen in the early 2000s in the US it was just completely impossible to avoid.
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Yes, that surely exists. The whole too much bad press, not allowed to like him stuff is way more strong in English speaking world, and especially in US. I don't think tabloid culture is that strong here, even now. But also I specifically was not into pop / celebrity culture at all, so maybe I would not have paid attention even in US.

staywild23 said:
His dancing was absolutely my avenue into this lol. At first I just thought he was the coolest person in the world. So ****** smooth, so much swagger, so much charisma. It's so funny, I actually remember feeling somewhat scandalized by all the crotch grabbing (which is hilarious if you know me, because next to nothing scandalizes me). But I think that came from the fact that I was starting to see him sexually and that was what was scandalizing me, more than the actual moves.
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I like the use of word scandalized. That's the word I was looking for. That and confusion - I should be scandalized and I should be turning this video off, but I cannot look away :eek:. And its all fuzzy now, but I think this ITC moment was when I got first introduced to Mike Jr. (so very early in the concert ;) ), and I was like - wait! why is he not wearing the thing that is suppose to hold it all together for male dancers, it did not even occur to me that even underpants are missing and this could be intentional ;) !

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staywild23 said:
I also feel really sad imagining these pages getting deleted. I know there are a lot of pages where links to photos were deleted, or are broken (which is super frustrating, especially when the consensus is that they are amazing). But I also enjoy the conversation and commentary, even when we can't see them. It also just feels like erasing some history of the fandom, which I don't like. I love how huge and popular this thread is. I just feel sad imagining any of it being lost to time, especially if it doesn't have to be.
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Agree 100%. I actually think this stuff is important. I don't read a lot of the conversations but there is some good stuff on here. Before Michael died, people wrestling with how they feel about getting all het up about him, feeling slightly guilty, wondering are they just objectifying him etc and working through their feelings. Ditto after he died or when TII came out. People leaving the thread because it was too much emotionally but other people staying because it was helping them to cope.

staywild23 said:
Also, not to sound all self-important or turn this thread into something it's not, but for a man who was so mistreated through his entire life regarding his appearance, I think this thread actually does something kind of important.
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Absolutely. This thread is a lot of fun but it goes way beyond that. I think it carries a lot of significance.

staywild23 said:
I feel like Michael deserves to have a space that is so forcefully positive about his appearance and image. While he is so significantly more than his sexiness, it is also not superficial or shallow to acknowledge that his sexiness was a subset of his aura that drew millions of fans into his stratosphere.
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He totally deserves it. People still write about him having countless plastic surgery procedures or about how he ruined his face, etc etc. The negativity and the lies and the distortion and the total disregard for the truth still takes my breath away even after all this time. This little thread might be hidden away on a Michael Jackson fan message board but I still think it's important.
 
Hiker said:
Yes, that surely exists. The whole too much bad press, not allowed to like him stuff is way more strong in English speaking world, and especially in US. I don't think tabloid culture is that strong here, even now. But also I specifically was not into pop / celebrity culture at all, so maybe I would not have paid attention even in US.
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Tbh, I just think the US is a culture that thrives on negativity. Idk what @MacMandy90 thinks of that statement, but it's how I feel. And I should say, I have never lived abroad and as a typical American, have a limited understanding of other cultures in the world. But as you may have picked up on elsewhere, I have a very negative view of American culture. We are obsessed with scandal, negativity, disinformation, and just straight up meanness. It's a very cruel and brash culture, lacking in a lot of the respect and dignity I feel like I see other places (again, I could be wrong about this). Being an adult and looking back on all of this now, it is completely on brand for the US to produce the most brilliant artist and performer imaginable and then use the popularity he EARNED with his talent alone to make money through destroying him.

Anyway, I need to drop that because it just depresses me lol.

Hiker said:
I like the use of word scandalized. That's the word I was looking for. That and confusion - I should be scandalized and I should be turning this video off, but I cannot look away :eek:. And its all fuzzy now, but I think this ITC moment was when I got first introduced to Mike Jr. (so very early in the concert ;) ), and I was like - wait! why is he not wearing the thing that is suppose to hold it all together for male dancers, it did not even occur to me that even underpants are missing and this could be intentional ;) !

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OH GOD this gif makes me weak. Not just the pants, but his entire body, his face, the thrust is so perfect.

The intentionally of it all is SO HOT I COULD CRY. I love trying to envision what was going through his mind with this. I can get lost in that thought for days lol.

The first time I noticed it in the HIStory tour was definitely Smooth Criminal in Munich. When he does that shuffle with all the guys, you can see all kinds of things happening. Looking back, no wonder I rewatched that performance about 1000 times the first month or so of this obsession lol. He is soooo sexy in it.

I am much happier thinking about all of this now :)
 
staywild23 said:
OH GOD this gif makes me weak. Not just the pants, but his entire body, his face, the thrust is so perfect.
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Yeah! just isolated as a gif, if that's all you saw, the face, expression, you would wonder what is going on! Is it porn! :ROFLMAO:😂
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staywild23 said:
The first time I noticed it in the HIStory tour was definitely Smooth Criminal in Munich. When he does that shuffle with all the guys, you can see all kinds of things happening. Looking back, no wonder I rewatched that performance about 1000 times the first month or so of this obsession lol. He is soooo sexy in it.
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OMG! I need to see it! I don't think I have noticed that one. I think I get too distracted by the suit and hat in smooth criminal. Maybe that moment deserves a gif of its own :unsure: .
 
zinniabooklover said:
Agree 100%. I actually think this stuff is important. I don't read a lot of the conversations but there is some good stuff on here. Before Michael died, people wrestling with how they feel about getting all het up about him, feeling slightly guilty, wondering are they just objectifying him etc and working through their feelings. Ditto after he died or when TII came out. People leaving the thread because it was too much emotionally but other people staying because it was helping them to cope.
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Oh wow! Ok...I have not read that stuff and I don't if I can. I actually avoid any threads and posts from around the time of his death. I love reading the old threads on here, but that is too much for me. I completely understand why people left the forum after that. Not because they stopped loving Michael, but because it hurt too much. That is so understandable to me. I don't know how I would have functioned if I had felt the way I feel now back when he passed. I would lose my mind, probably.

Also, I have heard people say things about it being objectifying or disrespectful to look at him this way since he is gone. But I don't personally agree with that at all. To me, it's just appreciating everything that he was. The full spectacle of his magic. I will never feel guilty about that. Sometimes it makes it more painful because in my mind he is so very alive. Remembering that is just in my mind hurts a lot.

zinniabooklover said:
He totally deserves it. People still write about him having countless plastic surgery procedures or about how he ruined his face, etc etc. The negativity and the lies and the distortion and the total disregard for the truth still takes my breath away even after all this time. This little thread might be hidden away on a Michael Jackson fan message board but I still think it's important.
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I HATE when people say that he "ruined" his face. Not only is it obvious that a lot of photos used in tabloids were altered to make him look worse, I also really believe most people internalized the lies about his skin changing much more than they realize, even to this day. People do not realize how much of his appearance changing is due to his skin changing, his hairstyles evolving, and his grooming/styling in general changing, along with weight fluctuations and aging. To say he "ruined" his looks when he lacked control over a lot of the changes is so unfair and cruel.

Anyway, I love this thread as well as Twitter and some other fan spaces where fans openly gush over his beauty and sexiness from throughout his life. I actually think in the long term, that narrative will stick around far more than "he ruined his look" or "he was ugly" ever will. Lots of fan content has been created to dispel misunderstandings about his appearance and to honor how attractive he actually was.

I am going on more about this than I ought to, I"m sorry. I'm in my feelings today on every thread lol.
 
Hiker said:
Yeah! just isolated as a gif, if that's all you saw, the face, expression, you would wonder what is going on! Is it porn! :ROFLMAO:😂
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Watching Michael dance in general IS straight up porn and I refuse to hear otherwise lol. But yes, completely agree with you.
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omfg yes lol. YES. I love watching him rub his body. Like in the panther dance! Omg... Michael. I didn't even watch it just now, just imagined it, and I felt a JOLT THROUGH MY ENTIRE BODY.

Such is his power.

Hiker said:
OMG! I need to see it! I don't think I have noticed that one. I think I get too distracted by the suit and hat in smooth criminal. Maybe that moment deserves a gif of its own :unsure: .
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Girl, watch it now lol. I am also distracted by the suit, hat, and tie (in a really good way) but I noticed it the very first time I saw it. It's amazing lol. I sent it to my sister and her first response was about a hundred eggplant emojis lol.

I actually need to make a gif from my favorite part of that Smooth Criminal performance. Let me work on that...
 
staywild23 said:
Oh wow! Ok...I have not read that stuff and I don't if I can. I actually avoid any threads and posts from around the time of his death. I love reading the old threads on here, but that is too much for me. I completely understand why people left the forum after that. Not because they stopped loving Michael, but because it hurt too much. That is so understandable to me. I don't know how I would have functioned if I had felt the way I feel now back when he passed. I would lose my mind, probably.
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I don't read a lot of it, tbh. Don't have time and it's not easy reading. I'm in the archives looking for lovely pictures but I catch bits here and there. I'm always a bit weirded out by comments that were written when he was alive. Not sure why. And stuff around him dying or TII is also hard even though I was around for both and was seeing TII many, many times. I'm glad those conversations are there but I don't necessarily want to immerse myself in them.

staywild23 said:
Also, I have heard people say things about it being objectifying or disrespectful to look at him this way since he is gone. But I don't personally agree with that at all. To me, it's just appreciating everything that he was. The full spectacle of his magic. I will never feel guilty about that. Sometimes it makes it more painful because in my mind he is so very alive. Remembering that is just in my mind hurts a lot.
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This is how most people see it. Before his death or after it, this is just part of appreciating the full awesomeness of Michael.

staywild23 said:
I HATE when people say that he "ruined" his face. Not only is it obvious that a lot of photos used in tabloids were altered to make him look worse, I also really believe most people internalized the lies about his skin changing much more than they realize, even to this day. People do not realize how much of his appearance changing is due to his skin changing, his hairstyles evolving, and his grooming/styling in general changing, along with weight fluctuations and aging. To say he "ruined" his looks when he lacked control over a lot of the changes is so unfair and cruel.
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People are lazy. And a lot of people just love to slag off Michael. It's that simple. Depressing but simple.

Oh, fgs, let me go and find a nice photo.
 
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