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Justthefacts;3477380 said:
So the judge is saying he wants to see the study?

I hope that the study will turn out to be a 'red herring' in 'evidence' terms....because I hope that the medical evidence will be reliant on showing that the small amount of propofol in the stomach got there from 'natural leakage' from the blood within and from the tissues.

This article from a medically -edited journal points in that direction (as did the preliminary hearing evidence, from what I recall) :
http://www.thepoisonreview.com/2010/02/13/michael-jackson-toxicology-report-released/

The relevant question is posed at the end of the article:
Query: Can someone please explain why propofol was found in Michael Jackson’s stomach? What causes this?

Response: Propofol was found at autopsy in Michael Jackson’s stomach contents in a very small concentration — less than 1:30 of the concentration in the blood. This is most likely because, after death, the drug diffused out of the circulatory system and into the stomach.
 
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U think they will still go with the injection theory aswell? basicalky throw anything and everything

smooth.re the lidocane.so are they claiming mj drank that aswell?. cause what does that amount matter when its the diprivan thats the issue.
They will try anything if they are allowed to and pros are not ready to stop them with their experts (in fact in the last transcript 29th August once they used the word "ingestion", another time it is written "injection").

Yes, what matters is the propopol and not the lidocaine in terms of causing the death, but at the time Dr. Rogers pointed out that, Chernoff or Flanagan resorted to the excuse of lack of enough studies about how propofol is absorbed into the body if "digested"... Defense seemed to disagree with Dr. Rogers (one of them said it would have been absorbed fast and the other said the opposite...). So, we are in square zero...

I hope prosecutors have other medical proofs to demonstrate the hypothesis was scientifically impossible due to the circumstances at the time... Don't know now which, but they are out there...

If Murray is going on stand, I would ask him when and how he used the evidence he told Alvarez to put into a bag...
 
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When will it start being televised Sept 27? I am not sure yet if I want to watch.
 
myosotis;3477401 said:
I hope that the study will turn out to be a 'red herring' in 'evidence' terms....because I hope that the medical evidence will be reliant on showing that the small amount of propofol in the stomach got there from 'natural leakage' from the blood within and from the tissues.

This article from a medically -edited journal points in that direction (as did the preliminary hearing evidence, from what I recall) :
http://www.thepoisonreview.com/2010/02/13/michael-jackson-toxicology-report-released/

The relevant question is posed at the end of the article:
Query: Can someone please explain why propofol was found in Michael Jackson’s stomach? What causes this?

Response: Propofol was found at autopsy in Michael Jackson’s stomach contents in a very small concentration — less than 1:30 of the concentration in the blood. This is most likely because, after death, the drug diffused out of the circulatory system and into the stomach.

Wasn't there also the idea that when they tried to revive him in the house, ambulance, and hospital some of the propofol spilled out, which resulted in the traces that were found in the autopsy.

I have forgotten some of the facts since last year.
 
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Yes. caused by cpr. and the autopsy
 
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Yes, it might be tough to watch. I know I never listened to the 2005 trial either. I was so sure of his innocence that I did not want the media to irritate me with their lies and drama. However, Michael is no longer with us and we are his only support and voice, so this time I will do more and show some support at the trial by standing outside.
 
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TMZ is always hearing something. Actually they go and look at the postings and pretend that they did some great investigative work and are now presenting it to the world. They leave a camera up all night and see something, then say "according to a source." They also like to write "TMZ got the news first." It is good that we can see for ourselves from the televised proceedings.
 
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so we are on for jury selection to begin tomorrow? did they say if the jury selection will be televised? Like I said before it might be hard to hear about the jurors...but it IS to our best interest to hear the background on them.atleast we know what kind of people will be on the jury. That way when the media talks about for example juror 1 or juror 10 atleast we know which ones they are talking about. I found this VERY helpful during the Casey Anthony trial
 
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Thunder in the Casey trial did they identify the jurors only by number, that is, no personal information about them was given? I am asking because I would not like to be on a jury and have my information blasted all over the world.
 
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Thunder in the Casey trial did they identify the jurors only by number, that is, no personal information about them was given? I am asking because I would not like to be on a jury and have my information blasted all over the world.

number only I think yes.and we were told there profession..and what there family was like and siblings and all that personal stuff.
 
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Oh Thunder, I don't like the part about the family, and people already do not like to do jury duty. What if a juror does not want these personal statistics given to the public? Well, nothing I can do about it.
 
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Oh Thunder, I don't like the part about the family, and people already do not like to do jury duty. What if a juror does not want these personal statistics given to the public? Well, nothing I can do about it.

well you have to remember to..in a regular case it is not televised.and people dont hear all the business of the potential jurors. only the judge and the pros and the defense would hear that...oh yeah .on lookers in the courtroom too. So in this trial I read that the the qualifying jurors that are chosen tomorrow will return on the 23r were the defense and the pros will select the jury. yeah trial due to begin on the 27th. now on the Casey Anthony case it took them a little while to select a jury because either people had heard to much about the case or they had financial reasons and they were excused. Or they had other personal reasons that caused them to be excused by the judge. so they had to have new jurors come in a couple of times before the found the 12 and then they have to pick alternate ones incase something happens to the ones serving.
 
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Guys did you get any information from LA that the case will be postponed. This is an e-mail I got from the MJJ Innocence group:

It appears the Murray trial will now be postponed to October or November. Would you still want to attend, if we re-schedule Atty. Mesereau and YU to a October or November date.
If this would cause you a travel cost penalty, Please tell us now. Thank YOU.

William Wagener
CEO
MJJiFF, inc.
 
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Guys did you get any information from LA that the case will be postponed. This is an e-mail I got from the MJJ Innocence group:

It appears the Murray trial will now be postponed to October or November. Would you still want to attend, if we re-schedule Atty. Mesereau and YU to a October or November date.
If this would cause you a travel cost penalty, Please tell us now. Thank YOU.

William Wagener
CEO
MJJiFF, inc.

really?..thats makes no sense...the judge said it would start with jury selection tomorrow. How do these people know this?
 
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Why does the article ignore the evidence of the students which is far more important.same ole

My understanding from the defense motion is that the experiment has not been published and that the expert was not a witness in the experiment and they allegue that they could not cross examine this expert because they do not know how the experiment is related to this case...

So the pros need to go get those involved in the experiments get on a flight to chile and get the dr and students.this is bleeping important.they better not blow it now

in academia there's the concept of peer review. peer review happens when you submit a research for publication, your research is sent to 3 other experts in the area , which read evaluate ask for more info and changes if necessary. after this evaluation by the other experts the research is thought as being checked and validated. basically these other 3 experts check to see that your research is acceptable and follows all the requirements and the results are truthful.

I think the biggest issue with the students drinking propofol that the research hasn't been peer reviewed. so it's basically a research that someone did and no one checked. so the judge is trying to get more information about it. hopefully it will be allowed

Guys did you get any information from LA that the case will be postponed. This is an e-mail I got from the MJJ Innocence group:

It appears the Murray trial will now be postponed to October or November. Would you still want to attend, if we re-schedule Atty. Mesereau and YU to a October or November date.
If this would cause you a travel cost penalty, Please tell us now. Thank YOU.

William Wagener
CEO
MJJiFF, inc.

what are they basing this on? trial is going on as planned.
 
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^^ I do not know what they are basing this on. Since, you guys have not heard anything then I guess they were relying on the information that Muarry sought a delay. I will check back with them and see if they are still in the "Twilight Zone."
 
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If Murray is going on stand, I would ask him when and how he used the evidence he told Alvarez to put into a bag...

I wanna know why the heck he did cpr on the floor instead of the bed like he was meant to!
 
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I wanna know why the heck he did cpr on the floor instead of the bed like he was meant to!

I guess you meant it the other way around? ;)

I wanna know why he agreed to give Michael that drug to begin with, instead of helping him find the proper treatment.

I wanna know why he didnt get the proper equipment before starting any injection. I wanna know why he left. I wanna know why he waited so long before calling 911.
 
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I wanna know why the heck he did cpr on the floor instead of the bed like he was meant to!
Funny, the other way around^^. I guess we are all so upset our fingers are typing too fast.
 
http://news.yahoo.com/jury-selection-begin-jackson-doctors-trial-080605564.html

LOS ANGELES (AP) — The doctor charged in Michael Jackson's death is returning to court to meet the first batch of potential jurors who may eventually decide whether to convict him of involuntary manslaughter.

It will be the second time this year that a judge, prosecutors and attorneys for Dr. Conrad Murray try to pick a panel to hear the case, which is expected to last four to six weeks and will put the spotlight on the King of Pop's final moments once again.

Roughly 160 people are expected will undergo an initial screening Thursday to see if they're available to serve during the lengthy criminal trial. Those who are able will then fill out a 30-page questionnaire aimed at determining their level of knowledge of the case and any strong opinions about Jackson or Murray.

Getting an eligible pool of jurors took three days earlier this year, and Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor begrudgingly dismissed them in May when he agreed to delay Murray's trial to give his attorneys more time to prepare.

This time, Pastor hopes to find 100 people to fill out the questionnaire, court spokeswoman Mary Hearn said. Prosecutors and defense attorneys will have several days to scrutinize the responses before direct questioning of potential jurors begins on Sept. 23.

Finding people who hadn't heard about the case was a challenge last time — only one person, who didn't speak English, expressed no knowledge of the case. Awareness of a high-profile case is not automatic grounds for disqualification from jury service, and Pastor has expressed confidence that a group can be found who will listen to the evidence impartially and also ignore widespread media coverage of the trial.

Jackson's death on June 25, 2009 stunned the world. The singer had been in final preparations for a series of comeback concerts in London, and the focus quickly turned to Murray, his personal physician.

In an interview with detectives, Murray admitted giving Jackson the anesthetic propofol to help him sleep, but authorities and Murray's attorneys differ on the timeline of events that occur in Jackson's rented mansion on the day he died.

Authorities contend that Murray gave Jackson a lethal dose of propofol and other sedatives, but the doctor's attorneys have said Murray did not give the singer anything that should have killed him. In pretrial motions and hearings they have suggested that Jackson administered the lethal dose to himself.

The Houston-based cardiologist faces up to four years and the loss of his medical license if convicted.

The case is expected to be highly-technical, but not without its share of Hollywood touches. Jackson's family will attend the proceedings — with some members taking a break to watch a planned tribute concert in October — and prosecutors also plan to show clips of the singer shot during his final rehearsals.
 
I doubt they will be able to find at least one person able to be a jury (meaning, speaking the language and being sane and social person) who hasn't heard about this trial.
 
well going by this article they are gonna screen `160 peple today...they are going to go though more people than that,,,,that is a givin...they will need atleast twice that many just to find POTENTIAL jurors. then they will give them the questonaire and those people willl return on the 23rd...and that is the point it would be televised if they alllow cameras for the jury selection. That is when we would hear each potential juror being questioned,
 
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I guess you meant it the other way around? ;) .

Funny, the other way around^^. I guess we are all so upset our fingers are typing too fast.



Oh yeh thats right sorry guys i was thinking so hard bout that, i didnt even realise what i was writing.......argghh i just want this trial done & over
 
so can we expect any news about the jury selection today or everything will be happening behind closed doors?
 
Exactly how difficult is it to find jurors?????.........aren't they supposed to be normal people????


Or is that something in short supply in LA????......the Californian government keep complaining that they have no money, so why do they insist on prolonging the court proceedings which obviously costs money. I remember them telling people not to stand outside the Staples Center Arena at he memorial because they "couldn't afford it"!!!


Or, more likely, are murray's lawyers hand picking jurors themselves????
 
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