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Re: August 29th hearing

It says in the article that the hearing is this afternoon, no idea what time though.
 
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Thanks guys.no wonder nothings happened! Starting now then.
 
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Justthefacts said:
Jackson's longtime make-up artist Karen Faye, for example, told detectives that the recording star "was weak, extremely thin and seemed to be under the influence of drugs" the week before his death and told her he didn't think he could "physically complete" a 50-show comeback attempt in London, according to the filing.
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If Michael looked under the influence of drugs the week before he died is because Dr. Murray was over-medicating him. Michael was under Murray's care the week before June 25. I don't think this is too bad.

The statement that he couldn't perform could be related to stress or insecurity, or it was just a figure of speech. He hadn't performed in many years and he had to be really scared about facing the fans, the critics, the press. Remember, there were people who still acknowledge him as a child m... He had reason to be over anxious.

Defense attorney Edward Chernoff said in an interview that the intimate accounts of Jackson's friends and employees were meant not to malign the pop star but to document a drug addiction that stretched back to the 1990s
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The nerve he has. Pretty soon he'll be calling the bogieman to testify. When is it that Chernoff is going to accept that what Michael did from 1990-6/23/09 didn't kill him and what his client, Dr. Murray did on 6/24/09 & 6/25/09 killed Michael Jackson.

The coroner already stated that Michael died of Acute Propofol Intoxication as a result of an injection given to him by another, and that another is Dr. Murray.

Can someone clarify this for me, please. Did Susan Etok went to a news celebrity show with her story before being interviewed by the police? And did she said that Michael wanted to have a child with her?
 
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Yes etok said mj asked her to have his kid.sold stories to the tabs before she talked to the police.the question is if she ever even met mj more than anything
 
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So, it's true what i was told about what she said. It's hard to believe that Michael would asked her that. I think Michael would rather go with a surrogate than with a person he knows. He had problems with Rowe, right?
 
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I dont believe for one minute he asked her.asked someone he just met? Shes a crazy.nothing more
 
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Thanks. So i guess its about the demoral then and no doubt imply about iv and oxygen
 
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A vile of it in 03 .it was not found in 09
 
It also says they found something with a milky white substance in an IV bag. That could have been anything tho


— A vial of Versed — a powerful sedative
— Several IV bags containing "a milky white fluid, located in a small cardboard box on top of the bathtub."
A vial of Promethazine — an antihistamine
— A bottle of [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]Alprazolam[/COLOR][/COLOR] (generic for Xanax,
— A bottle of Percocet — a painkiller
— A syringe
— A vial with Demerol in it
— Numerous loose pills outside bottles
— A bottle of Prednisone — a steroid
— Ery-tab — an antibiotic
— Prescriptions for Xanax that had been filled
— A [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]prescription[/COLOR][/COLOR] for Alprazolam
— Oxygen tanks
— IV stands
 
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Ok. Well i guess they wanna use that then.but i would think unless its confirmed as diprivan speculation isnt allowed in the testimony
 
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And without the proper equipment Michael would have died in 03 case in point 09
 
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What should matter is what happened the day he died and what Murray did. I feel like it is being forgotten that Murray is a professional doctor and not some guy off the street. This trial is going to be so hard and people dragging Michael through the mud. I am waiting when someone is going to look at Murray the doctor and question his behavior.
 
Justthefacts;3470429 said:
It also says they found something with a milky white substance in an IV bag. That could have been anything tho


— A vial of Versed — a powerful sedative
— Several IV bags containing "a milky white fluid, located in a small cardboard box on top of the bathtub."
A vial of Promethazine — an antihistamine
— A bottle of [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]Alprazolam[/COLOR][/COLOR] (generic for Xanax,
— A bottle of Percocet — a painkiller
— A syringe
— A vial with Demerol in it
— Numerous loose pills outside bottles
— A bottle of Prednisone — a steroid
— Ery-tab — an antibiotic
— Prescriptions for Xanax that had been filled
— A [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]prescription[/COLOR][/COLOR] for Alprazolam
— Oxygen tanks
— IV stands
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All this was found on 2003 or 2009?
 
Re: August 29th hearing

VinniePolitan Vinnie Politan
Defense CanNOT mention anything related to molestation case in #MichaelJackson manslaughter case. Dr arnold klein will NOT testify

VinniePolitan Vinnie Politan
Man who claims to be #MichaelJackson lover will NOT testify at manslaughter trial
 
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from twitter

Defense CanNOT mention anything related to molestation case in #MichaelJackson manslaughter case. Dr arnold klein will NOT testify
 
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justice_4mj
Judge rules against defense again. NO KLINE ,NO PHIFER. NO Demerol evidence allowed since none was found in Toxicology reports!
 
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So the whole demoral side effect defence is not allowed? And if no klien surely no other drs either as klien was the most relevent as he saw him in the last days.
 
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http://edition.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/08/29/california.conrad.murray.hearing/

Los Angeles (CNN) -- Michael Jackson's sexual molestation trial is "no-go territory" for defense lawyers in the trial of Dr. Conrad Murray, a judge ruled Monday.
Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor, however, rejected the prosecution's request that he not allow testimony from several doctors who treated Jackson in the months and years before his death.
Murray is charged with involuntary manslaughter in the June 25, 2009, death of Jackson, who would have turned 53 Monday.
The defense wanted to have a Santa Barbara County, California, detective testify about drugs found at Jackson's Neverland estate during a search related to the sex charge.
"In particular, it is relevant to the defense that Michael Jackson possessed both propofol and Demerol in his residence as early as 2003," the defense said in a motion filed Monday.
Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorney David Walgren argued testimony about drugs Jackson possessed in 2003 "has absolutely nothing to do with the standard of medical care" Murray gave Jackson the day he died on June 25, 2009.
Bringing up anything about the molestation trial, which ended with Jackson's acquittal, would be "character assassination on the victim," Walgren said.
Defense lawyer Ed Chernoff, in a hearing Monday afternoon, assured the judge that he did not intend to question the detective about the sex charge, but only about drugs he found in his search.
"In particular, it is relevant to the defense that Michael Jackson possessed both propofol and Demerol in his residence as early as 2003," the defense said.
Murray's defense lawyers want to argue that Jackson was addicted to the painkiller Demerol and was undergoing withdrawal from the drug when he died, Chernoff said. He said he expects the prosecution will say he "merely liked Demerol" and was not addicted.
Jackson's "past drug adictions, use desires, possessions" is relevant, Chernoff said in court.
Pastor ruled that the events were too far in the past for this trial and could mislead the jury.
"Anything having to do with the year 2003, any incident with Neverland, Santa Barbara, medical doctors, fundamentally is irrelevant," Pastor said. "It proves absolutely nothing with regard to the year 2009."
Pastor ruled that Beverly Hills dermatologist Dr. Arnold Klein could not be called to testify about giving Jackson Demerol shots. Testimony about Jackson's visits to Klein's office in the days before his death could lead the jury "down the path of prescribing to Dr. Klein some sort of criminal culpabilty in the death of Mr. Jackson."
However, Klein's medical records can be used in the trial, he ruled.
Two of Klein's office employees also cannot be called as witnesses, he ruled.
Prosecutors in the trial of Murray, Jackson's last doctor, had asked the judge to exclude or limit the testimony of 26 witnesses Murray's lawyers said they might call.
Pastor has indicated he would keep the trial limited to what happened the last several days of Jackson's life. His decisions on the prosecution's request to limit witnesses indicate how tightly the judge will limit the defense arguments.
Other witnesses the judge said the defense could not call include John Branca, the lawyer who became executor of Jackson's estate after his death. Nothing about Jackson's finances can be considered, he said.
The Los Angeles coroner has ruled that Jackson's death, which occurred June 25, 2009, was caused by an overdose of the surgical anesthetic propofol, combined with other drugs.
Prosecutors have accused Murray of having a role in the overdose. Jury selection is scheduled to begin on September 8, with opening statements expected to be heard on September 27. Lawyers estimate the trial will conclude in early November.
If convicted on the involuntary manslaughter charge, Murray could face up to four years in prison.
 
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Happy to hear the good news from court. Let's hope the other people are not allowed to testify either.

But, going back to the meds found on 03, how is it possible the the "milky white fluid" was in iv bags. Isn't it that once open, it has to be used or it goes bad. And Demerol, I know this is used for extreme pain, but I'm in shock. Did he realized what he was doing to himself? Oh God, how lonely he must had felt.
 
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You ever think that maybe he was in extreme pain? Just like you
 
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ivy said:
VinniePolitan Vinnie Politan
Man who claims to be #MichaelJackson lover will NOT testify at manslaughter trial
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His name is Pfifer, sorry if it is misspelled.
 
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So which other drs can the defence call. If klien is irrelevent how are any of the others relevent
 
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I think part of there defense is that Michael was ill and even tho from what I read they never spoke to these doctors they can call them and ask them whatever. I hope Etok is testifying
 
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