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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

Hollywood_Tonight said:
Do you know what the differences are between the two versions, and do they have any MJ vocals on them?

Edit: Apparently the chorus lyrics to YDLM are “Beautiful as I can see / I can’t believe / You don’t love me”
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Lashawn Daniels sang the whole demo with a intro by Rodney Jerkins that was on a different key called A# flat minor
 
alexclarke236 said:
Lashawn Daniels sang the whole demo with a intro by Rodney Jerkins that was on a different key called A# flat minor
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A# flat minor doesn’t exist lol- it’s either A# minor (which is equivalent to Bb minor), or Ab minor (which is equivalent to G# minor). Which one is it?
 
MJbr2 said:
Produced in 2008 when MJ was revisiting some old stuff. Most of the new elements were added on top of the original since the multitrack of the song is lost.
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Interesting. So it'd be very busy but still have the basic skeleton of the original version, basically like a John Mcclain track. Overdubbing is so interesting.

Was it played at a Seminar?
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Interesting. So it'd be very busy but still have the basic skeleton of the original version, basically like a John Mcclain track. Overdubbing is so interesting.

Was it played at a Seminar?
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Not to my knowledge, which is why this listing is so suspicious. I wouldn’t expect any major differences from the leaked version- remember the multitracks for TYLA were lost, so Neff-U didn’t have much to work with.
 
Hollywood_Tonight said:
Do you know what the differences are between the two versions, and do they have any MJ vocals on them?

Edit: Apparently the chorus lyrics to YDLM are “Beautiful as I can see / I can’t believe / You don’t love me”
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The writer's demo is sung by the late Lashawn Daniels and Michael Jackson's take in a different key called B Minor that sounds similar to the song Angel in Disguise by Brandy
 
@mjfanatic777 said:
Thank you, God!
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It seems to me that the song I'm a loser still have more vocals in the end cut it
 
Simijacksonfan said:
The song sounds really great, it gives me goosebumps, it would have been a hit, it's a shame that Michael couldn't finish it, I hope more will come through
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This doesn't sound much like the actual song. The real Water doesn't recycle the Stranger In Moscow beat like I Was The Loser. The music is all totally unique, full of surprising samples like creaking wood and splashing water. Very, very cool instrumental and something no other producer but MJ would come up with. They could easily sell this one to another artist to release as "produced by Michael Jackson" and "featuring MJ" (on the chorus). It's a shame the estate don't value Michael as a musician. With all the 2006-2009 instrumentals he made, he could have had a whole posthumous career as a producer for other artists.
 
Alec said:
The music is all totally unique, full of surprising samples like creaking wood and splashing water. Very, very cool instrumental and something no other producer but MJ would come up with.
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did you hear it yourself?
 
filmandmusic said:
did you hear it yourself?
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Yes, it's great! When in his final TV interview Michael said he likes to "put sounds under the microscope and manipulate their character," he was speaking of these type of songs. It's a great insight into his imagination. It's like a musical sculpture.

From the songs discussed here recently, I also heard Monster (two different versions--different choruses). It's not as innovative as people make it out to be, at least not the demos I heard. No relation to the Cascio Monster whatsoever, but the music is fairly similar in style. That's the vibe. I wouldn't be surprised if the Cascios knew it and based theirs on Michael's. Apparently Michael was showing it off to people in his final years. I believe Harrison Funk, the photographer, said Michael played it to him before he died.
 
Alec said:
Yes, it's great! When in his final TV interview Michael said he likes to "put sounds under the microscope and manipulate their character," he was speaking of these type of songs. It's a great insight into his imagination. It's like a musical sculpture.

From the songs discussed here recently, I also heard Monster (two different versions--different choruses). It's not as innovative as people make it out to be, at least not the demos I heard. No relation to the Cascio Monster whatsoever, but the music is fairly similar in style. That's the vibe. I wouldn't be surprised if the Cascios knew it and based theirs on Michael's. Apparently Michael was showing it off to people in his final years. I believe Harrison Funk, the photographer, said Michael played it to him before he died.
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I’ve also heard “Monster” and 100% agree- it definitely had a Cascio vibe to it. Ironically, “Monster” on the Michael album is the closest comparison I can think of. I was a little underwhelmed, but I’ve heard there’s multiple versions so hopefully a better one exists- did the alternative version have different chorus lyrics? The version I heard just had “you’ve created a monster” and nothing else. Fast paced track with A LOT of layers with lots of odd sounds. It was definitely more pop than I was expecting- I remember CJ DeVillar described it as a Sgt. Pepper track, but it honestly didn’t sound that way to me.
 
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Hollywood_Tonight said:
I’ve also heard “Monster” and 100% agree- it definitely had a Cascio vibe to it. Ironically, “Monster” on the Michael album is the closest comparison I can think of. I was a little underwhelmed, but I’ve heard there’s multiple versions so hopefully a better one exists- did the alternative version have different chorus lyrics? The version I heard just had “you’ve created a monster” and nothing else. Fast paced track with A LOT of layers with lots of odd sounds. It was definitely more pop than I was expecting- I remember CJ DeVillar described it as a Sgt. Pepper track, but it honestly didn’t sound that way to me.
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Now i actually want to hear this song
 
“Monster” is one of my most anticipated solely because of its reputation. Chorus or not, anything that’s even somewhat singular in its production definitely piques my interest.
 
Hollywood_Tonight said:
T40 documentary is coming this Halloween (finally), according to Damien. https://x.com/damienshields/status/1703630952805830947?s=46&t=I3Fw0gOazU_UdqiHfgkprA
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That's cool! Thanks for sharing. The MJ Cast badly need an editor. Their episodes are so long and indulgent I can't imagine many people can sit through the whole thing. Could be condensed to 30-45 mins easily.

I can't wait for the Thriller documentary. I had tickets to one of the screenings but stupidly decided not to go, assuming it would be released right after. It seems excellent from what everyone says.
 
Alec said:
From the songs discussed here recently, I also heard Monster (two different versions--different choruses). It's not as innovative as people make it out to be, at least not the demos I heard. No relation to the Cascio Monster whatsoever, but the music is fairly similar in style.
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So this just proves my point, that the Casio tracks weren't actually the worst thing ever made or whatever. They had decent bones. Lyrics were juvenile obviously, and the vocals ugh. But the songs themselves were cool.

Now I wanna hear Monster.
 
Alec said:
This doesn't sound much like the actual song. The real Water doesn't recycle the Stranger In Moscow beat like I Was The Loser. The music is all totally unique, full of surprising samples like creaking wood and splashing water. Very, very cool instrumental and something no other producer but MJ would come up with. They could easily sell this one to another artist to release as "produced by Michael Jackson" and "featuring MJ" (on the chorus). It's a shame the estate don't value Michael as a musician. With all the 2006-2009 instrumentals he made, he could have had a whole posthumous career as a producer for other artists.
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Things like this make me wonder how a song like "Billie Jean" would be in 2008 or something. What would Michael be doing. What would 24 year old Michael do in this age? It's a fascinating thought experiment.
 
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