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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

BlackAnon said:
Listening to the Bad era demos, do you think those songs created by the Hayvenhurst team would've created an album stronger than what would later become Bad?
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Firstly, there were about 80 different ideas attempted at Hayvenhurst during that 85-87 period and a mere fraction of that has surfaced... Maybe if you pick the strongest 10-15 of those Bad-era tracks (finished or not), then for sure it would be.
 
Eventidescape1 said:
I'd say Cheater, Price of Fame, Streetwalker and DYKWYCA are amongst the strong tracks for me. Those I'd definitely pick from over IJCSLY and Just Good Friends.
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I love Cheater so much and still strongly believe it should've been included on the album. I don't see how either Quincy chose to discard it or Michael chose to not finish it
 
Fuzball said:
They should have made it a double LP album.
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I always wonder what it would've been like down to the song selection. I know many of the songs we heard aren't complete but makes me wonder if the albums release date would've been pushed back to end of 87 or beginning of 88
 
Fuzball said:
They should have made it a double LP album. 16 songs in total.
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I’m certain i read somewhere Michael at some point wanted Bad to be a double album. That would have been great as he had confidence in many songs that weren’t released.

Bad is a great (iconic) song, but perhaps another title track for the era would have been ”stronger”?

Though the impulse to reach young people who wanted to be edgy and cool was genius and heartfelt, having a greater social impact than trying to wow music critics.

Still, the sense that Michael wanted to be seen not as a edgy stereotype, but a much needed male role model of social responsibility, permeates throughout the era.

This is me speculating on what other (unreleased?) song could have been era defining, along with the fact that MITM became so important ✨
 
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Sensual visionary said:
I’m certain i read somewhere Michael at some point wanted Bad to be a double album. That would have been great as he had confidence in many songs that weren’t released.

Bad is a great (iconic) song, but perhaps another title track for the era would have been ”stronger”?

Though the impulse to reach young people who wanted to be edgy and cool was genius and heartfelt, having a greater social impact than trying to wow music critics.

Still, the sense that Michael wanted to be seen not as a edgy stereotype, but a much needed male role model of social responsibility, permeates throughout the era.

This is to speculate on what other (unreleased?) song could have been era defining, along with the fact that MITM became so important for Michael.
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Michael wanted it to be a triple disc album but was convinced to narrow it down but with 11 songs finished, fully completing an additional 19 or 20 would've definitely pushed the album back months depending on how long it would take Michael to complete them.

The songs we've heard from the session that I feel could've competed with the album are Cheater, Come Together, Loving You and Price of Fame. The rest are a bit soft
 
BlackAnon said:
Michael wanted it to be a triple disc album but was convinced to narrow it down but with 11 songs finished, fully completing an additional 19 or 20 would've definitely pushed the album back months depending on how long it would take Michael to complete them.
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Like I've said a double LP with 16 songs in total would have been possible to finish within a relatively short time, as 12 songs were already finished. Two more songs, Price of Fame and Fly Away were left in an advanced producition state (we haven't heard a Westlake mix of PoF yet). As for the last two songs, Come Together & Crack Kills maybe?

By relasing only 4 songs per LP side, it would have been possible to release more complete mixes (additional verses, full adlibs etc).
 
ChanceToDance said:

The comments are saying the snippets are indeed real but the new vocals on it are A.I. The rest is legit otherwise.

Honestly no clue what to believe anymore lol
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Just sounds like what's already been leaked with AI vocals added. It's the strongest track from the Loren sessions, but I can hear why it didn't advance further and make it on the final album.
 
Derek1984 said:
Just sounds like what's already been leaked with AI vocals added. It's the strongest track from the Loren sessions, but I can hear why it didn't advance further and make it on the final album.
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I just found out that is the HQ Version form Decade Altecate and with Ai Vocals in the second chorus Man In Black HQ is not leaked yet
 
It's good that the YouTube leak culture has also gone to trash, so now people can stop pretending these Robin Hoods were better than John Branca cuz they let us hear the crumbs they willed us too.

No, they were using Michael for their own interests, just the same. That's all just about anybody did, except his mom and kids, and maybe Janet.

Until the world respects Michael, it doesn't really deserve to hear him. Maybe this is too much of a flowery rant in the wrong thread, but lately that's how I've been feeling. We'll see what ends up happening with MJs work sooner or later.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
It's good that the YouTube leak culture has also gone to trash, so now people can stop pretending these Robin Hoods were better than John Branca cuz they let us hear the crumbs they willed us too.

No, they were using Michael for their own interests, just the same. That's all just about anybody did, except his mom and kids, and maybe Janet.

Until the world respects Michael, it doesn't really deserve to hear him. Maybe this is too much of a flowery rant in the wrong thread, but lately that's how I've been feeling. We'll see what ends up happening with MJs work sooner or later.
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Leak culture has been trash for years and everyone is running off to use a.i. in an attempt to fill a void

We all want the music but we might have to just wait it out until the Estate gets their ducks in a row
 
BlackAnon said:
MIB doesn't nothing for me
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I think what happened here, MJ went to Loren and said "make me a track that sounds like Janet's Rhythm Nation" and Loren did just that. But as time passed, the song wasn't doing it for MJ and got passed up by other tracks that were stronger and Loren got ticked off because he was just doing what MJ said. Based on all the info we have, that's how I choose to interpret it.
 
Derek1984 said:
I think what happened here, MJ went to Loren and said "make me a track that sounds like Janet's Rhythm Nation" and Loren did just that. But as time passed, the song wasn't doing it for MJ and got passed up by other tracks that were stronger and Loren got ticked off because he was just doing what MJ said. Based on all the info we have, that's how I choose to interpret it.
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Music and sound was constantly changing and Michael was always pushing for the latest. I think by the time Dangerous was set to drop, Lorens sound was already labeled as dated. I don't blame Loren for being upset because as much as I love MJ, I wouldn't doubt he promised Loren a place on the album
 
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