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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

BlackAnon said:
Agreed 100 percent. That could be why Quincy pushed Michael to write more on Bad, he knew he was capable of doing it himself.

I wonder how Off the Wall and Thriller would've played out if he had 2 or 3 more writing credits on them

Sidebar: We only have 2 Thriller demos written by Michael.
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That's what excites me about that is, we've barely heard anything he worked on around the Thriller era, that he wrote himself.

Although I do wonder if there is a lot of songs from that era, given the Triumph album and if WBBS being reworked from the Off The Wall sessions is an indicator as to how much new material Michael was writing for Thriller in general
 
You ain’t gonna change nothin’ (1975)
Holiday Inn (1976)
Thank you for life (1976)
Ode to sorrow (1977)
Susie (1978)
We are the ones (1978)
Got to find a way somehow (1978)
Under your skin (1978)
You told me your lovin'(1978)
Somewhere in the dark (1980)
This is it (1980)
Why can't I be? (1980)
Nymphete lover (1981)
The Toy (1981)

^ I do wonder why Michael did register all these older demo recordings (possibly intended for previous Jacksons & solo albums?) in November 1984 - just weeks before Michael's testimony at a Chicago court.

Were these presented to Epic execs at some point?
 
Fuzball said:
You ain’t gonna change nothin’ (1975)
Holiday Inn (1976)
Thank you for life (1976)
Ode to sorrow (1977)
Susie (1978)
We are the ones (1978)
Got to find a way somehow (1978)
Under your skin (1978)
You told me your lovin'(1978)
Somewhere in the dark (1980)
This is it (1980)
Why can't I be? (1980)
Nymphete lover (1981)
The Toy (1981)

^ I do wonder why Michael did register all these older demo recordings (possibly intended for previous Jacksons & solo albums?) in November 1984 - just weeks before Michael's testimony at a Chicago court.

Were these presented to Epic execs at some point?
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I think he was registering those for both the deposition and the concept album that never came to be. He could've also been separating his music from the Jacksons catalog
 
BlackAnon said:
That PYT demo is toughhhhh! Would've loved to hear that at its full potential.
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Man I listen to the song so much I forget it's literally a demo. I just feel like he has 2 different versions of pyt. Been loving that version since t.u.c 04! Now you got me wondering what could have been with full potential 🤔
 
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^TUC was a great experience for fans. I wish we'd gotten at least one more unreleased songs on discs 1, 2 & 3.
 
wonderouzmj said:
Man in listen to the song so much I forget it's literally a demo. I just feel like he has 2 different versions of pyt. Been loving that version since t.u.c 04! Now you got me wondering what could have been with full potential 🤔
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I agree! And to be honest, I really like the 08 version form Thriller 25. All around a great song with great potential.
 
MJJuniorSinceMW said:
-Speechless
-You Are My Life
-Don’t Walk Away
-Cry
-The Lost Children
-Whatever Happens
+ the so called „midtempo ballads“


In general there were too many ballads on Invincible and on HIStory also. For my liking at least.
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Idk, I never saw Cry and Whatever Happens as ballads. I don't think much about Cry and You are my life
 
8701girl said:
There is a album on eBay called "michael jackson GEMS " it has apparently some unreleased stuff and remixes
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There's bound to be a lot of crap on there, copied from YouTube and other poor audio sources. For example “Jungle City”, as far as I know nobody has that song from the fan scene apart from the person who won the auction on Gotta Have Rock and Roll in 2018 when DAT tapes from the Invincible sessions were auctioned off. All you'll find on YouTube are snippets of four different Jungle City versions that I once included for a podcast episode on YouTube about “the unreleased Millennium album.” (The tapes were once offered to me under the table).

As much as I enjoy leaks of unreleased songs, I think the damage to Michael Jackson's legacy is greater, and it's also unfair to the Estate, though I think they have themselves to blame for making so little of the unreleased music available to us hardcore fans.

And keep in mind that when someone wins an auction of unreleased music, they typically don't transfer any rights to the music itself. As I understand it, any copies of it are prohibited. And the auction winner could likely be held accountable if the music they won ends up online at some point in the future.
 
SmoothCriminal1995 said:
The Bad era is one of the most fascinating periods in Michael's career in my opinion, despite all the knowledge we now have of it we still have so many questions.

I really hope we hear everything worked on at Westlake by Q and the team
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I completely agree with you. As a songwriter, Michael was probably at his peak here and more creative than ever before or since.

What I don't understand is why many fans barely appreciate the Jacksons' albums Destiny and Triumph. Michael was fully involved in their creation, and everyone involved says he was the driving force behind the brothers. As a songwriter, Michael is also directly involved in more songs than he was on Off the Wall and Thriller. In that respect, I dare say that on Destiny and Triumph, you hear a more authentic, raw Michael Jackson, who was already writing and producing great songs. (Instead of on his solo albums)

Of course, it was his conscious decision to take a step forward with Quincy Jones. But if you want to hear how Michael Jackson sounded without a big producer at his side during the late 1970s and early 1980s, you have to focus on Triumph and Destiny.
 
ueli84 said:
I completely agree with you. As a songwriter, Michael was probably at his peak here and more creative than ever before or since.

What I don't understand is why many fans barely appreciate the Jacksons' albums Destiny and Triumph. Michael was fully involved in their creation, and everyone involved says he was the driving force behind the brothers. As a songwriter, Michael is also directly involved in more songs than he was on Off the Wall and Thriller. In that respect, I dare say that on Destiny and Triumph, you hear a more authentic, raw Michael Jackson, who was already writing and producing great songs. (Instead of on his solo albums)

Of course, it was his conscious decision to take a step forward with Quincy Jones. But if you want to hear how Michael Jackson sounded without a big producer at his side during the late 1970s and early 1980s, you have to focus on Triumph and Destiny.
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I think we all love Destiny and Triumph but what sets it apart is we don't have any unreleased music from the sessions so it makes it a little tough to discuss it whereas we have dozens of unreleased material from Bad so we can dig deeper.
 
ueli84 said:
I completely agree with you. As a songwriter, Michael was probably at his peak here and more creative than ever before or since.

What I don't understand is why many fans barely appreciate the Jacksons' albums Destiny and Triumph. Michael was fully involved in their creation, and everyone involved says he was the driving force behind the brothers. As a songwriter, Michael is also directly involved in more songs than he was on Off the Wall and Thriller. In that respect, I dare say that on Destiny and Triumph, you hear a more authentic, raw Michael Jackson, who was already writing and producing great songs. (Instead of on his solo albums)

Of course, it was his conscious decision to take a step forward with Quincy Jones. But if you want to hear how Michael Jackson sounded without a big producer at his side during the late 1970s and early 1980s, you have to focus on Triumph and Destiny.
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Amen! Destiny and Triumph are basically secret MJ albums.
 
ueli84 said:
I completely agree with you. As a songwriter, Michael was probably at his peak here and more creative than ever before or since.

What I don't understand is why many fans barely appreciate the Jacksons' albums Destiny and Triumph. Michael was fully involved in their creation, and everyone involved says he was the driving force behind the brothers. As a songwriter, Michael is also directly involved in more songs than he was on Off the Wall and Thriller. In that respect, I dare say that on Destiny and Triumph, you hear a more authentic, raw Michael Jackson, who was already writing and producing great songs. (Instead of on his solo albums)

Of course, it was his conscious decision to take a step forward with Quincy Jones. But if you want to hear how Michael Jackson sounded without a big producer at his side during the late 1970s and early 1980s, you have to focus on Triumph and Destiny.
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Off The Wall is a 4/5 meanwhile Destiny is a 5/5, but y’all are not ready for that conversation :D
 
ueli84 said:
What I don't understand is why many fans barely appreciate the Jacksons' albums Destiny and Triumph.
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Is this the case? I love both albums. But to me, personally, the History/BOTDF - songs are the ones that mean the most to me bcs I grew up with them and the messages are the strongest. Destiny and Triumph didn't influence me like that, so maybe other fans think similar.
 
I wonder if Michael ever completed the music for the movie he was supposed to star in during the 70's
 
Derek1984 said:
Destiny is excellent. Triumph is great. But what they both lack is Bruce's mixing and Quincy's sleek production. Triumph is mixed horribly and even MJ later admitted this.
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I think the original mix is satisfying to my ear. But I can understand.
 
Triumph is probably the best Jacksons album but roughly 1/3 of it is disposable in my opinion. Cut “Your Ways,” “Everybody,” and “Wondering Who” and it’s flawless.
 
I love "Your Ways" and "Everybody" tbh. Can agree for "Wondering Who", worst track of the album with "Walk Right Now"

I'd cut "Give It Up" too, but it's a bit more enjoyable than the other twos for me.
 
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