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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

Derek1984 said:
Bruce Swedien has mentioned Buffalo Bill before. For Bruce to hear it, I feel like the track was basically finished and Bruce made a mix for it on Victory.
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Unless he mixed a later version because John said it wasn't finished
 
With full respect to MJ’s incredible collaborators, I don’t take their subjective opinions on his work beyond a grain of salt. Just because they loved it doesn’t mean I will, and vice versa. It’s nice hearing their thoughts but I personally don’t see the value in shifting my expectations for a song just because one person says it’s good or bad.
 
Don't know if this has been mentioned, but I think Damien Shields is unreliable when it comes to how advanced the vocals in demos are. He often mentioned unreleased songs that he heard as largely mumbled. For example, Damien said the verses to Rocker are pure nonsense mumbling, but from what we heard it is clear there are words there that tie together. To me TMO has shown that what sounds like incomprehensible mumbling at first often conceils actual lyrical content that somewhat makes sense. I think my takeaway from TMO is a better understanding of Michael's songwriting process. To me it sounds like he was piecing together the lyrics by the phonetic sound of the words and slowly making sense of the narrative, probably over the course of different takes and that he was more concerned with getting the right energy and sound across
 
flamyyy said:
Don't know if this has been mentioned, but I think Damien Shields is unreliable when it comes to how advanced the vocals in demos are. He often mentioned unreleased songs that he heard as largely mumbled. For example, Damien said the verses to Rocker are pure nonsense mumbling, but from what we heard it is clear there are words there that tie together. To me TMO has shown that what sounds like incomprehensible mumbling at first often conceils actual lyrical content that somewhat makes sense. I think my takeaway from TMO is a better understanding of Michael's songwriting process. To me it sounds like he was piecing together the lyrics by the phonetic sound of the words and slowly making sense of the narrative, probably over the course of different takes and that he was more concerned with getting the right energy and sound across
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Rocker's description was on point. The lyrics are incomprehensible. The only difference of the version he heard was the vocal mix. The version he listened had a weird echo. I think Motif clarified this.
 
flamyyy said:
Don't know if this has been mentioned, but I think Damien Shields is unreliable when it comes to how advanced the vocals in demos are. He often mentioned unreleased songs that he heard as largely mumbled. For example, Damien said the verses to Rocker are pure nonsense mumbling, but from what we heard it is clear there are words there that tie together. To me TMO has shown that what sounds like incomprehensible mumbling at first often conceils actual lyrical content that somewhat makes sense. I think my takeaway from TMO is a better understanding of Michael's songwriting process. To me it sounds like he was piecing together the lyrics by the phonetic sound of the words and slowly making sense of the narrative, probably over the course of different takes and that he was more concerned with getting the right energy and sound across
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I think Damien heard demos at the US Copyright office and not everything there is the latest versions of songs.
 
flamyyy said:
Don't know if this has been mentioned, but I think Damien Shields is unreliable when it comes to how advanced the vocals in demos are. He often mentioned unreleased songs that he heard as largely mumbled.
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He's always made clear, he's talking only on specific versions he actually had heard himself, and he's even said different mixes he hasn't heard could exist.
 
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