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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

Pentum said:
They pretty much sound just like Hold My Hand vocals
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Nah, his voice sounds normal in Hold My Hand; in the 2008 version of WBST, however, it sounds like he was magically turned into a teenager again.
 
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Mister_Jay_Tee said:
What about This Had To Be? With Brothers Johnson. Maybe there's a solo version.
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He wrote lyrics for an earlier version entitled "you not me". It's unknown if he ever demoed these.



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Speed Angel said:
John Branca recently spoke about Michael Jackson's unreleased songs and according to him there are no plans to release them in the future.

Obviously the focus will be on the Biographical Film and the MJ Musical

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That is not completely right. John said the focus isn't on unreleased music at the moment. That doesn't mean they've written off unreleased music, just that there won't be any for the foreseeable future as their focus is currently on other projects, I hope the estate releases more music from the vault again at some point
 
BlackAnon said:
It's been confirmed for years that Tomboy has incomplete vocals.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it that all John Barnes has said is that Tomboy was incomplete? Not that the vocals itself was incomplete, but the song overall? After Damien said that the version he heard didn't have vocals a lot of us were uncertain if MJ had recorded vocals for it, this is big news sort of.
 
ChanceToDance said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it that all John Barnes has said is that Tomboy was incomplete? Not that the vocals itself was incomplete, but the song overall? After Damien said that the version he heard didn't have vocals a lot of us were uncertain if MJ had recorded vocals for it, this is big news sort of.
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"As far as tomboy, I didn't make it and was not fully completed." - John Barnes

I always assumed there was an incomplete vocal
 
BlackAnon said:
"As far as tomboy, I didn't make it and was not fully completed." - John Barnes

I always assumed there was an incomplete vocal
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Tomboy was mentioned in the MJ Cast Interview with Matt Forger and that's when Forger mentioned it was later given to Roger Troutman.

Whoever was doing the interview for MJ Cast didn't follow up on it though. Never asked Matt if there were any vocals on it and how complete it was. Maybe Matt doesn't know, but wish the MJ Cast pressed him more on this song... Actually, I wish the MJ Cast would press more about the unreleased stuff when they get these interviews.
 
Yeah the state of the vocals was never talked about until now. Hopefully the song has enough vocals to be put on a Bad re-issue.

I don't care that much about the estate not wanting to make a new album, but they could very well make Bad 40 without doing much work and it would mean a lot to fans. They could put songs like Buffalo Bill, Turnin' Me Off, Make Or Break, Tomboy, Crack Kills, Changes, the 1986 demo of Chicago 1945 and a lot more on disc 2 and it would make for one hell of a tracklist. They could also throw in some remastered clips on the meantime. I would love a project like that to happen even if it was as half-assed as T40.
 
ChanceToDance said:
Yeah the state of the vocals was never talked about until now. Hopefully the song has enough vocals to be put on a Bad re-issue.

I don't care that much about the estate not wanting to make a new album, but they could very well make Bad 40 without doing much work and it would mean a lot to fans. They could put songs like Buffalo Bill, Turnin' Me Off, Make Or Break, Tomboy, Crack Kills, Changes, the 1986 demo of Chicago 1945 and a lot more on disc 2 and it would make for one hell of a tracklist. They could also throw in some remastered clips on the meantime. I would love a project like that to happen even if it was as half-assed as T40.
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the estate isn't going to put much into anything if it's not going to make them money. At this point, just give us ultimate edition solo albums with as much material as they can find and call it a day. I don't even care if we never see T40 at this point because they dropped the ball big time on that release. Hell, we're still waiting for a proper release of Making of Thriller since John did say it was being remastered years ago.
 
Gluepix said:
I’ve always thought Michael’s vocals in the 2008 version of Wanna Be Startin’ Somethin’ sounded too youthful for being recorded circa that time. Were they pitched up? Were they taken from some 80s outtake?
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No? Mj sounds very youthful on those vocals and did a great job of imitating how he used to sound for that track but it's obvious they are not from the 80s lol.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
No? Mj sounds very youthful on those vocals and did a great job of imitating how he used to sound for that track but it's obvious they are not from the 80s lol.
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It's super obvious they were pitched up, lmao. You can have all the talent and vocal prowess in the world, but that’s not going to stop aging and the changes it brings to your voice without some tweaking.
 
Gluepix said:
It's super obvious they were pitched up, lmao. You can have all the talent in the world but that’s not going to stop aging and the changes it brings to your voice without some processing.
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Was responding to your comment about it being a demo from the 80s. Not personally concerned whether or not it was pitched up and am not really convinced it was, although I haven't listened to it in a while. It's definitely lower than any of his 80s vocals and doesn't sound processed in that way to me, though.
 
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Gluepix said:
I’ve always thought Michael’s vocals in the 2008 version of Wanna Be Startin’ Somethin’ sounded too youthful for being recorded circa that time. Were they pitched up? Were they taken from some 80s outtake?
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These vocals were recorded in October 2007 – one of the few things we know beyond a shadow of a doubt were tracked in the Cascio basement.
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
What about This Had To Be? With Brothers Johnson. Maybe there's a solo version.
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It's possible! Would definitely love to figure this one out,
SmoothGangsta said:
I always assumed Tomboy had MJ vocals. The whole it being described as having a similar melody to remember the time thing.
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I assumed the same, but Damien said that the version he heard was instrumental only, and the melody comparison was a synth/guitar or something of the sort. Glad to get confirmation.
 
AlwaysThere said:
These vocals were recorded in October 2007 – one of the few things we know beyond a shadow of a doubt were tracked in the Cascio basement.

It's possible! Would definitely love to figure this one out,

I assumed the same, but Damien said that the version he heard was instrumental only, and the melody comparison was a synth/guitar or something of the sort. Glad to get confirmation.
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Yeah, I think there being a whoo in that zapp song kinda solidified to me that there were at least scratch vocals recorded.
 
SmoothMel7 said:
I had no doubt that "Tomboy" had vocals. Matt Forger has already mentioned this song. However I have big doubts that the song is complete vocally.
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someone posted about the vocals earlier. If it's an accurate info, I assume it's just some kind of scratch vocals at best.

Higgins said:
The version I heard had just one verse and a chorus.
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SmoothMel7 said:
I had no doubt that "Tomboy" had vocals. Matt Forger has already mentioned this song. However I have big doubts that the song is complete vocally.

@Lotfi11k It would be interesting to confirm this with Joe Vogel :)
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Can you ask him about .turning me off . Crack kills and other songs
 
SmoothGangsta said:
Yeah, I think there being a whoo in that zapp song kinda solidified to me that there were at least scratch vocals recorded.
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Yeah same mate.

I'd assume it's at least as complete as say Free, because Mike seemed to be more dedicated to trying to put a vocal melody all the way through his demos, even if he had no lyrics for a verse yet, during the Bad era

That's a complete guess on my part though
 
Branca's continuing focus on 'new' fans whilst sh!tting all over those that have followed Michael for 20+ years continues I see.

Joy.

Not sure why it's so hard to understand for them. I'm interested in Michael. Not someone pretending to be Michael or someone talking about Michael.
 
dam2040 said:
Branca's continuing focus on 'new' fans whilst sh!tting all over those that have followed Michael for 20+ years continues I see.

Joy.

Not sure why it's so hard to understand for them. I'm interested in Michael. Not someone pretending to be Michael or someone talking about Michael.
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They are in the business of selling the idea of MJ.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
They are in the business of selling the idea of MJ.
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Tbf they kinda have to now.

Literally this time 10 years we had gotten 3 albums with new songs, and was about to get a 4th one. 2014 was straight up Michael-Mania. And the million dollar contract for projects as well.

Literally this time 10 years ago Safechuck was starting his accusations against Michael. Pretty much the beginning of the end.
 
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