The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

Unbreakable is not, we're currently trying to figure out if that one is fake or real since the source is dubious. Threatened is a fanmade mix unrelated to the tape and will be removed. Heaven can wait is the only actual thing i can say is real out of this bunch.
Idk why but I thought two of the vids were Threatened, mb. Ik about the Unbreakable dispute, same thing happened with BoD

Also Michael recorded a song for the 1993 Despo named "Mentioned during the 1993 deposition."? Damn I didn't know he was a time traveler. Bro was preparing for the Despo for years!
 
Idk why but I thought two of the vids were Threatened, mb. Ik about the Unbreakable dispute, same thing happened with BoD

Also Michael recorded a song for the 1993 Despo named "Mentioned during the 1993 deposition."? Damn I didn't know he was a time traveler. Bro was preparing for the Despo for years!
U literally caught that error right when it happened lmaooo. Im watching the full deposition rn and there's quite a bit of stuff regarding unreleased demos nobody caught, I guess I'm one of the only people who actually has sat through it.

New things mentioned/confirmed:
Stranger In Moscow work tape - Sep. 1993
??? (ref. Stevie Wonder) - 1984
Starlight (ref. Rod Temperton) - 1981/1982

Things actually played:
The Girl Is Mine (I think it might be tampered by the uploader as it sounds like the vocals were filtered out) - 1981/1982
We Are The World (acapella demo with Lionel Richie speaking with MJ) - 1984
 
U literally caught that error right when it happened lmaooo. Im watching the full deposition rn and there's quite a bit of stuff regarding unreleased demos nobody caught, I guess I'm one of the only people who actually has sat through it.

New things mentioned/confirmed:
Stranger In Moscow work tape - Sep. 1993
??? (ref. Stevie Wonder) - 1984
Starlight (ref. Rod Temperton) - 1981/1982

Things actually played:
The Girl Is Mine (I think it might be tampered by the uploader as it sounds like the vocals were filtered out) - 1981/1982
We Are The World (acapella demo with Lionel Richie speaking with MJ) - 1984
What's the time frames in the deposition for these? I've not heard of a Stevie submission in 1984 but I know he submitted something for Thriller and I know WATW was written in December 84
 
Unbreakable is not, we're currently trying to figure out if that one is fake or real since the source is dubious. Threatened is a fanmade mix unrelated to the tape and will be removed. Heaven can wait is the only actual thing i can say is real out of this bunch.
The "Unbreakable DAT Version" is just a fan edit with restored dynamic range. It's not real.
 
I guess I'm one of the only people who actually has sat through it.
Are you saying there’s another new version of the deposition? Or the one @Stefano MJS released in January? If not I can assure you that many people have watched the currently available deposition tapes
New things mentioned/confirmed:
Stranger In Moscow work tape - Sep. 1993
??? (ref. Stevie Wonder) - 1984
Starlight (ref. Rod Temperton) - 1981/1982
It’s not well known that Stranger was written/demoed in Sept. 1993? How is Starlight being from 1981/2 new info?
Things actually played:
The Girl Is Mine (I think it might be tampered by the uploader as it sounds like the vocals were filtered out) - 1981/1982
The Girl is Mine 1981 work tape has been widely available for years, no?
 
U literally caught that error right when it happened lmaooo. Im watching the full deposition rn and there's quite a bit of stuff regarding unreleased demos nobody caught, I guess I'm one of the only people who actually has sat through it.

New things mentioned/confirmed:
Stranger In Moscow work tape - Sep. 1993
??? (ref. Stevie Wonder) - 1984
Starlight (ref. Rod Temperton) - 1981/1982

Things actually played:
The Girl Is Mine (I think it might be tampered by the uploader as it sounds like the vocals were filtered out) - 1981/1982
We Are The World (acapella demo with Lionel Richie speaking with MJ) - 1984
I’m on the tracker wayyyy too much lol. Ive wanted to be an editor for a while but tbh atp there wouldn’t be much that I’d want to add anymore besides the WAHTCTW leaks (Ive been asking for a year now for that to be added)
 
Are you saying there’s another new version of the deposition? Or the one @Stefano MJS released in January? If not I can assure you that many people have watched the currently available deposition tapes

It’s not well known that Stranger was written/demoed in Sept. 1993? How is Starlight being from 1981/2 new info?

The Girl is Mine 1981 work tape has been widely available for years, no?
The disposition is hours long, not many people have sat down and watched it all in its entirety

No, he means that a demo of Starlight that was sung by Temperton himself exists
 
The disposition is hours long, not many people have sat down and watched it all in its entirety
Trust me, anyone who is actually interested in MJ's unreleased material has probably watched the one and only resource where he talks about unreleased material - it's been our primary resource on the topic for more than a decade
No, he means that a demo of Starlight that was sung by Temperton himself exists
Temperton would present all his demos with a scratch vocal, this is not a new discovery
What's the time frames in the deposition for these? I've not heard of a Stevie submission in 1984 but I know he submitted something for Thriller and I know WATW was written in December 84
Quincy Jones asked Stevie to write a song in 1984, but he was taking too long so QJ asked Michael and Lionel instead - resulting in WATW. I assume this is what @Clay7 is referring to, but in this case it sounds as though Stevie didn't end up writing anything
 
Trust me, anyone who is actually interested in MJ's unreleased material has probably watched the one and only resource where he talks about unreleased material - it's been our primary resource on the topic for more than a decade
I've always wondered what stage the songs mentioned during the deposition were at. Were they just written lyrics? Instrumentals? Demos with scratch vocals?

As I recall, the only leaked/released songs MJ mentioned were "Turnin' Me Off," "Chicago 1945," "Hot Street," "WALWTG," "Who Do You Know," "Fly Away," "Al Capone," and "Cheater," and those had vocals. In total, he mentioned over 54 songs—imagine if every single one had scratch vocals!
 
As I recall, the only leaked/released songs MJ mentioned were "Turnin' Me Off," "Chicago 1945," "Hot Street," "WALWTG," "Who Do You Know," "Fly Away," "Al Capone," and "Cheater," and those had vocals. In total, he mentioned over 54 songs—
& Free, Scared of the Moon, Starlight, Streetwalker, Neverland Landing etc...

imagine if every single one had scratch vocals!
I bet, most of them have vocals
 
I've always wondered what stage the songs mentioned during the deposition were at. Were they just written lyrics? Instrumentals? Demos with scratch vocals?
I’d say that most, if not all of them exist in demo form, even if only as an instrumental. As we know, Michael was far more likely to lay down a scratch vocal prior to 1993 vs after.

There are some examples, such as “Stand Tall”, of songs not named in the deposition and which, as far as we know, have no MJ vocals. So there may be some kind of correlation between having lead vocals and being named in the deposition, but in truth we don’t know
 
Trust me, anyone who is actually interested in MJ's unreleased material has probably watched the one and only resource where he talks about unreleased material - it's been our primary resource on the topic for more than a decade

Temperton would present all his demos with a scratch vocal, this is not a new discovery

Quincy Jones asked Stevie to write a song in 1984, but he was taking too long so QJ asked Michael and Lionel instead - resulting in WATW. I assume this is what @Clay7 is referring to, but in this case it sounds as though Stevie didn't end up writing anything
I’m sure people have watched it all the way through but nobody has discussed the materials actually discussed that I listed, and they were absent from the tracker which is quite rare for public information. MJ said that he asked Stevie for the track not Quincy but he might have been inaccurate. There was never any actual 100% confirmed Starlight demo recorded by temperton until now, only assumptions. It’s not clear how lyrically complete his version was only that it’s his vocals over a demo beat.
 
Are you saying there’s another new version of the deposition? Or the one @Stefano MJS released in January? If not I can assure you that many people have watched the currently available deposition tapes

It’s not well known that Stranger was written/demoed in Sept. 1993? How is Starlight being from 1981/2 new info?

The Girl is Mine 1981 work tape has been widely available for years, no?
it was never confirmed that there is a work tape specifically from sep 93. Starlight being from 81/82 isn’t some kind of revelation idk wym on that I was just listing the year same as the others lol. And the girl is mine demo is advanced im not referring to the work tape. It sounds different from the released demo from 08.
 
Stuff mentioned in the deposition has already been extensively discussed on here.
Really? Never seen the stuff I mentioned posted here, especially the girl is mine and we are the world (I think this may be the same one from the greatest night in pop doc) demos that were played lol. There’s more stuff too I just haven’t finished watching it yet
 
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I've always wondered what stage the songs mentioned during the deposition were at. Were they just written lyrics? Instrumentals? Demos with scratch vocals?

As I recall, the only leaked/released songs MJ mentioned were "Turnin' Me Off," "Chicago 1945," "Hot Street," "WALWTG," "Who Do You Know," "Fly Away," "Al Capone," and "Cheater," and those had vocals. In total, he mentioned over 54 songs—imagine if every single one had scratch vocals!
He said some of them are in demo form but I'm curious about the songs we tend to gloss over like She's Not A Girl, Who Is The Girl With Her Hair Down, Lonely Man, You Are A Liar, In The Valley, Why Shy, Saved By The Bell, The Sky Is The Limit. We don't know anything about these outside of the title
 
He said some of them are in demo form but I'm curious about the songs we tend to gloss over like She's Not A Girl, Who Is The Girl With Her Hair Down, Lonely Man, You Are A Liar, In The Valley, Why Shy, Saved By The Bell, The Sky Is The Limit. We don't know anything about these outside of the title
There was a song called "California Grass"...
I wonder if it's a tribute/reference to Get Back by the Beatles, if so it would be amazing because I love this song!
 
Really? Never seen the stuff I mentioned posted here, especially the girl is mine and we are the world (I think this may be the same one from the greatest night in pop doc) demos that were played lol. There’s more stuff too I just haven’t finished watching it yet
I mentioned WATW being recorded in 1984 but it was in connection to TMO. John Barnes confirmed TMO and WATW were both done in 1984 around the time of the Caribou Ranch visit

Brad said majority of the songs on Bad were first recorded and went through pre-production at Hayvenhurst before being re-cut at Westlake

Turning Me Off is from 1984 and was initially recorded in LA around the same time as the first demo of We Are the World
 
To make a concise note of the new information contained within @Stefano MJS extended Mexico Deposition (around 3:45:00 onwards):

- Michael didn't like Baby Be Mine very much; it made the Thriller album because he was outvoted by Quincy and Rod, who preferred it to Hot Street.

- Michael loved Hot Street, calling it a "hit song" that has never been released. Michael wanted it on Thriller, but Rod was not a huge fan of his own work in this instance and voted against it's inclusion

- Michael didn't like Rolling the Dice, hence it not making the Thriller album.

- We already knew that Thank You For Life shares the same chords as The Girl Is Mine - Lucy is in Love with Linus also shares the same chords (I think this is new info)

If there's anything I've missed, or anything anyone else notices that is new info please let us know
@Clay7 - this is a post I made at the beginning of January detailing everything new in the extended version of the Deposition released by @Stefano MJS

Everything else from the original version of the video has been discussed thoroughly, and in detail, for many years now. There's nothing new to be learned from it, including what you've already posted about
 
He said some of them are in demo form but I'm curious about the songs we tend to gloss over like She's Not A Girl, Who Is The Girl With Her Hair Down, Lonely Man, You Are A Liar, In The Valley, Why Shy, Saved By The Bell, The Sky Is The Limit. We don't know anything about these outside of the title
Didn't @arisenow say that all the depo songs had some sort of vocals?
 
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