The Michael Jackson Chart Watch

But, what's the point of a music chart then if this is possible? This clearly shows that charts are manipulated by stream/digital allocation and not per stream itself.
I agree with you. Ideally, I would love to see studio albums on charts instead of greatest hits. Unfortunately, with the exception of Thriller, Michael's other studio albums don't sell or stream enough to consistently make it onto the charts.

The streams are usually allocated to the studio albums and a greatest hits album.
 
I agree with you. Ideally, I would love to see studio albums on charts instead of greatest hits. Unfortunately, with the exception of Thriller, Michael's other studio albums don't sell or stream enough to consistently make it onto the charts.

The streams are usually allocated to the studio albums and a greatest hits album.
It's the bouncing between compilations that's baffling. I mean, Essential makes more sense - it's a more comprehensive career spanning set. I mean, the Number Ones streaming in Ireland isn't even the version that is for this region, it's the US version. It's just mad to me that they can go "Hmmm, actually switch the figures back to Number Ones, screw The Essential".
 
It's the bouncing between compilations that's baffling. I mean, Essential makes more sense - it's a more comprehensive career spanning set. I mean, the Number Ones streaming in Ireland isn't even the version that is for this region, it's the US version. It's just mad to me that they can go "Hmmm, actually switch the figures back to Number Ones, screw The Essential".
Yes, The Essential is a signifcantly better greatest hits collection. I would much rather see The Essential on the charts than Number Ones.

I bet that if they decide to release some special edition version of The Essential in a few years, it will be back on the charts, in place of Number Ones. It doesn't make sense, but sadly, streaming has made music charts very confusing.
 
Unfortunately, with the exception of Thriller, Michael's other studio albums don't sell or stream enough to consistently make it onto the charts.
Well, Bad seems to do ok. But that's missing the point. It's not about making Michael's albums look better or worse than they are. It's about an accurate representation. If it's all lies, then you might as well stop publishing a chart, because it's all bullshit.

Complete and utter bullshit.


The streams are usually allocated to the studio albums and a greatest hits album.
Huh? Both? As in, double counting? That's even worse.

It's the bouncing between compilations that's baffling. I mean, Essential makes more sense - it's a more comprehensive career spanning set. I mean, the Number Ones streaming in Ireland isn't even the version that is for this region, it's the US version. It's just mad to me that they can go "Hmmm, actually switch the figures back to Number Ones, screw The Essential".
I'm surprised they haven't had the idea of adding all those songs to HiStory, to manipulate that album up to the top.

In fact, why not rotate periodically between all the albums, so everything gets a turn at number one, before being sacrificed for another 6 weeks and then coming back up?

Yes, The Essential is a signifcantly better greatest hits collection. I would much rather see The Essential on the charts than Number Ones.
But it's not like somebody had Number Ones in mind when they wanted to listen to Beat It. It's not like they had either al um in mind. As I said, it's disingenuous to publish an "albums chart" in this way.

You guys are being lied to with the whole concept.

I bet that if they decide to release some special edition version of The Essential in a few years, it will be back on the charts, in place of Number Ones. It doesn't make sense, but sadly, streaming has made music charts very confusing.
If we all ignore this, it will go away. I promise you.

First thing we need to do is stop @beltrano with his incessant verbal diarrhoea.
 
First thing we need to do is stop @beltrano with his incessant verbal diarrhoea.
Why don't you just unwatch this thread? If you're not interested in this, nobody makes you read it or comment it on a daily basis.
I don't want to waste my energy on inventing a similarly derogatory name for the annoyance your incessant critique causes. I want positive energy. ✌️
Suggestion:
You could make a separate thread for discussing MJs chart developments, and this one remains as a journal and archive for the pure figures to refer to. But it would need you to be interested in constructively shaping to the debate...
 
Yes, The Essential is a signifcantly better greatest hits collection. I would much rather see The Essential on the charts than Number Ones.

I bet that if they decide to release some special edition version of The Essential in a few years, it will be back on the charts, in place of Number Ones. It doesn't make sense, but sadly, streaming has made music charts very confusing.
They already played that card! :ROFLMAO:

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Why don't you just unwatch this thread?
I'm not actually watching it. It's just that on slow days, this is the only topic with any activity.

But then, when you come in, you realise it's just beltrano posting some meaningless drivel every 2 hours. Unless you have him on block, it actually makes the thread extremely difficult to read.

Seriously, nobody should be posting in the same thread more often than they eat a meal.

You could make a separate thread for discussing MJs chart developments
What developments though? YouTube isn't a chart. There aren't any new MJ releases. Seems like beltrano is just posting because he likes the sound of his own voice, rather than because he actually has anything to say.

But it would need you to be interested in constructively shaping to the debate...
I've come up with countless suggestions, the most recent being the creation of a box and whisker plot for each album...
 
Don't wanna derail this thread but...
I'm not actually watching it. It's just that on slow days, this is the only topic with any activity.
So you complain because this thread does not heal your boredom? Do something else then.
Seriously, nobody should be posting in the same thread more often than they eat a meal.
Posting the same comments over and over is surely not better.
I've come up with countless suggestions, the most recent being the creation of a box and whisker plot for each album...
Nice idea, go ahead!

What I wanna say is, let's not pick on each other but appreciate everyone's way of celebrating his or her fandom their way ✌️🕊
 
us i tunes top-100 pop albums :

the essential ( 16)
THRILLER ( 19)
History ( 54)
invincible ( 69)
dangerous ( 70)
number ones ( 74)
Bad ( 85).
 
Well, Bad seems to do ok. But that's missing the point. It's not about making Michael's albums look better or worse than they are. It's about an accurate representation. If it's all lies, then you might as well stop publishing a chart, because it's all bullshit.

Complete and utter bullshit.
It's not bullshit. Streams are the most common way people consume music these days, and that is now the main metric for calculating charts. Perhaps learn to move on with the times.

Huh? Both? As in, double counting? That's even worse.
Tbh, I am not entirely sure if that is the case.

If we all ignore this, it will go away. I promise you.

First thing we need to do is stop @beltrano with his incessant verbal diarrhoea.
All you have to do is simply ignore this thread. All you do is post negativity.

If you don't like a thread, simply don't click on it.

This thread isn't as active as it once was, as many of the regular posters on this thread from 2-3 years back, which includes me, don't post that regularly anymore. So props to @beltrano for keeping this thread somewhat active.
 
[...] This thread isn't as active as it once was, as many of the regular posters on this thread from 2-3 years back, which includes me, don't post that regularly anymore.
Can I just say that I miss your Chart Watch posts? They were cool. :)

So props to @beltrano for keeping this thread somewhat active.
Agreed. Until recently, with all the biopic talk, the most active thread almost always was the 'Unreleased MJ songs' thread. I'm glad this thread is still going.
 
Spotify albums today :

thriller-original ( 4,030,783)
Bad-original ( 2,893,569)
off the wall ( 1,501,859)
dangerous ( 1,216,548)
History ( 1,199,195)
xscape deluxe version ( 1,037,391)
invincible ( 740,869).
 
Spotify all credits ( monday-thursday):

( 11,905,831)
( 12,546,631)
( 13,135,395)
( 13,863,738)

( they don't care about us): 3 days in a row with more than 600,000 streams per day.
 
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