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The Michael Jackson Chart Watch

staywild23 said:
Elvis also gets a lot of Christmas play and wedding play. I was quite surprised about him too, though, tbh.
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I guess the biopic which was a boxoffice hit elevated his streams too.
Elton John is slightly surprising too but then again he found the new formula for massive success with collaborating with hot current stars

@Nite Line still impressive imo considering Spotify is probably mainly used by young(er) people. I am quite astounded these old rock n roll tunes are liked by the younger generations. Especially since I literally never hear him on the radio anymore ( bar the little less conversation remix)
 
Hmm thriller 25 did better but I remembered a real hype for it. It charted top 10 literally all over the world, even hitting nr 1 in several countries. I don’t think it was eligible to enter the billboard top 200 back then but it sold enough to hit nr 2 the first week of its release.

T40 at nr 18 would make it perform only marginally better than Bad 25 (nr 23)
 
filmandmusic said:
Hmm thriller 25 did better but I remembered a real hype for it. It charted top 10 literally all over the world, even hitting nr 1 in several countries. I don’t think it was eligible to enter the billboard top 200 back then but it sold enough to hit nr 2 the first week of its release.

T40 at nr 18 would make it perform only marginally better than Bad 25 (nr 23)
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Yeah but this is just for Thriller, not Thriller 40. Which means there's really no reason it should be performing so well haha
 
And of course by this ^ I mean it has every reason to do well because it's Michael Jackson and Thriller is perfect
 
filmandmusic said:
Hmm thriller 25 did better but I remembered a real hype for it. It charted top 10 literally all over the world, even hitting nr 1 in several countries. I don’t think it was eligible to enter the billboard top 200 back then but it sold enough to hit nr 2 the first week of its release.

T40 at nr 18 would make it perform only marginally better than Bad 25 (nr 23)
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This isn’t about Thriller 40, but the original Thriller album.
 
filmandmusic said:
Hmm thriller 25 did better but I remembered a real hype for it. It charted top 10 literally all over the world, even hitting nr 1 in several countries. I don’t think it was eligible to enter the billboard top 200 back then but it sold enough to hit nr 2 the first week of its release.
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Incoming! Gonzo question alert!

Sorta losing the plot on this convo but can't resist asking for a reminder - why would T25 not have been eligible back then? I'm sure I'm supposed to know this but all this chart data is mashing my brain to pieces, lol.

Was happy to see T25 peaked at No.3 in the UK.

UK Official Charts - Chart run for T25 (19 weeks / 23.02.2008 - 28.06.2008)
Top 10 - 07 weeks / Top 20 - 13 / Top 40 - 16 / Top 75 - 25 / Top 100 - 27)
19 weeks on the chart in 2008 plus 8 more in 2009.

Sorry! Brain having a 'Chart Watch' moment. As you were! :D

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zinniabooklover said:
Incoming! Gonzo question alert!

Sorta losing the plot on this convo but can't resist asking for a reminder - why would T25 not have been eligible back then? I'm sure I'm supposed to know this but all this chart data is mashing my brain to pieces, lol.

Was happy to see T25 peaked at No.3 in the UK.

UK Official Charts - Chart run for T25 (19 weeks / 23.02.2008 - 28.06.2008)
Top 10 - 07 weeks / Top 20 - 13 / Top 40 - 16 / Top 75 - 25 / Top 100 - 27)
19 weeks on the chart in 2008 plus 8 more in 2009.

Sorry! Brain having a 'Chart Watch' moment. As you were! :D

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Because it was a re issue, and reissues didn’t count as new releases back then afaik.

Also is this higher than how Thriller charted in 2009?
 
Dorian said:
Because it was a re issue, and reissues didn’t count as new releases back then afaik.

Also is this higher than how Thriller charted in 2009?
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It was another chart-system back in 2009. Michaels albums counted only as catalog-albums and not BB 200-charts. He had for sure occupied place 1-10. after his death. Also Thriller 25 could also only chart after relase on the catalog-albums. This for example is the Catalog-album chart from the week end of july 2009

www.reuters.com

Top Pop Catalog Albums for the 7/18/2009 issue

1 1 117 1 Number Ones - Michael Jackson (MJJ/Epic/Sony Music)
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com

Billboard changed the sytem right to time where Beatels-catalog went on spotify, so that their first big streaming-increase could be counted for BB 200. The timing was sure not a coincidence.
 
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Annita said:
It was another chart-system back in 2009. Michaels albums counted only as catalog-albums and not BB 200-charts. He had for sure occupied place 1-10. after his death. Also Thriller 25 could also only chart after relase on the catalog-albums. This for example is the Catalog-album chart from the week end of july 2009


Billboard changed the sytem right to time where Beatels-catalog went on spotify, so that their first big streaming-increase could be counted for BB 200. The timing was sure not a coincidence.
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Annita said:
It was another chart-system back in 2009. Michaels albums counted only as catalog-albums and not BB 200-charts. He had for sure occupied place 1-10. after his death. Also Thriller 25 could also only chart after relase on the catalog-albums. This for example is the Catalog-album chart from the week end of july 2009


Billboard changed the sytem right to time where Beatels-catalog went on spotify, so that their first big streaming-increase could be counted for BB 200. The timing was sure not a coincidence.
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Didn’t remember when they started counting them, thanks.

Weird timing indeed
 
Dorian said:
Because it was a re issue, and reissues didn’t count as new releases back then afaik.
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Thanks. That was the bit I forgot.

Annita said:
It was another chart-system back in 2009. Michaels albums counted only as catalog-albums and not BB 200-charts. He had for sure occupied place 1-10. after his death. Also Thriller 25 could also only chart after relase on the catalog-albums.

Billboard changed the sytem right to time where Beatels-catalog went on spotify, so that their first big streaming-increase could be counted for BB 200. The timing was sure not a coincidence.
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Goodness me! Did not know that.
 
Annita said:
It was another chart-system back in 2009. Michaels albums counted only as catalog-albums and not BB 200-charts. He had for sure occupied place 1-10. after his death. Also Thriller 25 could also only chart after relase on the catalog-albums. This for example is the Catalog-album chart from the week end of july 2009


Billboard changed the sytem right to time where Beatels-catalog went on spotify, so that their first big streaming-increase could be counted for BB 200. The timing was sure not a coincidence.
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Annita, could you please check the link of the Reuters article? I opened it but says not found.
 
Dorian said:
Because it was a re issue, and reissues didn’t count as new releases back then afaik.

Also is this higher than how Thriller charted in 2009?
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Thriller reached #2 overall in 2008 for 2 wks
and was #2 for 1 week trailing NUMBER ones in 2009.
 
Annita said:
Billboard changed the sytem right to time where Beatels-catalog went on spotify, so that their first big streaming-increase could be counted for BB 200. The timing was sure not a coincidence.
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That's not true, Billboard 200 included the catalog albums at the end of 2009, it is rumored that it was due to the boom in catalog album sales after MJ's death and the remastering of The Beatles albums, but neither benefited fully as MJ died in June and The Beatles reissued their catalog in September.

"Starting with the issue dated December 5, 2009, however, the catalog limitations which removed albums over 18 months old, that have dropped below position 100 and have no currently-running single, from the Billboard 200 was lifted, turning the chart into an all-inclusive list of the 200 highest-selling albums in the country (essentially changing Top Comprehensive Albums into the Billboard 200). A new chart that keeps the previous criteria for the Billboard 200 (dubbed Top Current Albums) was also introduced in the same issue."

Billboard 200 - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org

The same thing happened with the death of Whitney Houston, Billboard changed the rules and now catalog songs can re-enter the top 50 of the Billboard HOT 100.
 
Does anyone know how often a catalogue album outsold a new album in billboard history?
 
I’m very confucius to see MJ on top in front of all those political and historically important people. If Donald Trump reads this he will make sure he is on top by next week though so enjoy it while it lasts.
 
filmandmusic said:
We can't complain it is a good success. Halloween music will never be as big as Christmas music, I think this is about the maximum result possible.
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You are right. Halloween season is just the last 3-4 days of October, while Christmas season is like from start of November to the end of December. In the past two years, Mariah Carey reached number 1 with her overrated Christmas song “All I Want For Christmas Is You” during the Christmas season.

Michael didn’t release a Christmas song or album during his solo career and that was a big missed opportunity. The Jackson 5 version of the Christmas song, “Santa Claus Is Coming To Town” does chart within the top 40-50 during the Christmas season, but sadly it isn’t as popular as some of the other Christmas songs.
 
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