The Official 'Michael' Bio-Pic Thread

Ending it before the first set of allegations was fine, but a big part of the movie should've focused on Michael's traumatic upbringing. Show how constantly rehearsing, recording, and performing music made him feel like he missed out on his childhood. Show how performing at strip clubs and witnessing his brothers have sex with groupies rubbed him the wrong way. Show why he identifies so much with children, and hint at what will happen later on in his life.

Emmanuel Lewis and Brooke Shields aren't portrayed anywhere in the movie, right? The movie should've shown how MJ's friendship with Emmanuel was viewed as bizarre by the media. The rumors about MJ's sexuality should've been covered; people thought he was gay and were never convinced that he ever seriously dated Brooke. If the allegations are being saved for a potential sequel, the first film should build up to them. Not make MJ out to be guilty, but make him out to be misunderstood; show how people in the 1980s couldn't understand why a young adult male could identify so much with kids. The movie would show that it was due to his traumatic childhood. Of course, the challenge the filmmakers would face would be not to overly sympathize with him.

This movie is pretty much just a worse version of The Jacksons: An American Dream. Does it really not touch much upon MJ's rough childhood or his Peter Pan complex?
 
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Ending it before the first set of allegations was fine, but a big part of the movie should've focused on Michael's traumatic upbringing. Show how constantly rehearsing, recording, and performing music made him feel like he missed out on his childhood. Show how performing at strip clubs and witnessing his brothers have sex with groupies rubbed him the wrong way. Show why he identifies so much with children, and hint at what will happen later on in his life.

Emmanuel Lewis and Brooke Shields aren't portrayed anywhere in the movie, right? The movie should've shown how MJ's friendship with Emmanuel was viewed as bizarre by the media. The rumors about MJ's sexuality should've been covered; people thought he was gay and were never convinced that he ever seriously dated Brooke. If the allegations are being saved for a potential sequel, the first film should build up to them. Not make MJ out to be guilty, but make him out to be misunderstood; show how people in the 1980s couldn't understand why a young adult male could identify so much with kids. The movie would show that it was due to his traumatic childhood. Of course, the challenge the filmmakers would face would be not to overly sympathize with him.

This movie is pretty much just a worse version of The Jacksons: An American Dream. Does it really not touch much upon MJ's rough childhood or his Peter Pan complex?
There’s actually an entire Peter Pan scene with Michael dressed as Peter Pan and Joe Jackson dressed as Captain Hook. It’s an incredible scene actually, but you’ed have to actually go and see the film. Oops, I hope I didn’t give away a spoiler. 🤦🏻‍♂️
 
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. A biopic has to be balanced. Even better if it shows somebody as relatable and human.


Yeah, that's what I was looking forward to. A meaty film.


Yeah, that's the conclusion I came to about a month ago.


What do they do, an entire full-length song? Yeah, I'm struggling to see why they would need that. Just gets in the way and slows everything down.


But it didn't have to be. All you gotta say is "the estate didn't authorize this" and you can say and depict anything you want.


We need to stop judging this "as a part I". It's a movie. We have to judge it as a movie. We have no idea what might or might not happen 2 years from now. Nothing should be excused or given a pass just because of a vague hint on Twitter.


Agreed. And the funny thing is, whatever the estate has said about the allegations in the first movie will always apply to the 2nd, 3rd and 4th movies.


Basically this is being used as a 2-hour promo opportunity, and clearly the PR department have decided that victim status is what they need to be doing at the moment.


Why do people keep saying this?!

Pretty Woman wasn't produced by Roy Orbison or Roxette, but it still had their music in, lol.
Everything here that you’ve said would be an ecumenical matter, surely.
 
There’s actually an entire Peter Pan scene with Michael dressed as Peter Pan and Joe Jackson dressed as Captain Hook. It’s an incredible scene actually, but you’ed have to actually go and see the film.

Is that it? Nothing about Joe beating him and his brothers? Nothing about "adults let the world down" or "save the kids, man"?
 
Emmanuel Lewis and Brooke Shields aren't portrayed anywhere in the movie, right? The movie should've shown how MJ's friendship with Emmanuel was viewed as bizarre by the media. The rumors about MJ's sexuality should've been covered; people thought he was gay and were never convinced that he ever seriously dated Brooke. If the allegations are being saved for a potential sequel, the first film should build up to them. Not make MJ out to be guilty, but make him out to be misunderstood; show how people in the 1980s couldn't understand why a young adult male could identify so much with kids. The movie would show that it was due to his traumatic childhood.
true and they should have included this interview where he talks about children being his inspiration:
 
Is that it? Nothing about Joe beating him and his brothers? Nothing about "adults let the world down" or "save the kids, man"?
There’s a wonderful scene with Joe dressed in drag, calling himself Jolene.

Go see the movie. I’ve not been following your comments so don’t know your take one way or another, but go see the movie. It’s definitely eventful.
 
true and they should have included this interview where he talks about children being his inspiration:

Yeah, maybe they could've remade that interview.

Is anything about the Jehovah's Witnesses in the film? How the "Thriller" video almost never came out because of MJ's faith?
 
Yeah, maybe they could've remade that interview.

Is anything about the Jehovah's Witnesses in the film? How the "Thriller" video almost never came out because of MJ's faith?
Nope. The film has a pacing issue and misses out a lot. It’s become more of a celebratory event. Someone said -innuendo I think- that it could be viewed as a prequel to Moonwalker and I think that lines up beautifully actually.
 
There’s a wonderful scene with Joe dressed in drag, calling himself Jolene.

That's weird.

Did Joe actually do something like that in real life? I read that he'd scare MJ and his siblings at night with a mask.

A biography mentions MJ being weirded out by a drag queen at a nightclub as a kid.
 
Well, I guess the film isn't meant to really humanize MJ or offer any nuanced look at his life. It's just meant to celebrate him as an icon. That's not so bad, but it's no surprise that a lot of critics aren't vibing with it. This movie's clearly just meant for the fans.
 
Well, I guess the film isn't meant to really humanize MJ or offer any nuanced look at his life. It's just meant to celebrate him as an icon. That's not so bad, but it's no surprise that a lot of critics aren't vibing with it. This movie's clearly just meant for the fans.
I guess the film needs to be watched before making such statements.
 
I have been pretty active on facebook and twitter defending MJ against people spouting rubbish the last week. This time around though if they keep repeating their rubbish and false facts and dont listen to what the actual facts are I have started just telling them to f*** themselves and blocking them. There is no point in wasting time arguing with someone that does not have the brain to process evidence or simply wont make the effort in good faith!
 
Casios articles are circulating. Pretty funny, Michael is now trending closer towards $100 million opening in the US alone. Word of mouth and closet fans coming out from the woods.
The media tried to tank the film by fake reviews. When that did not work and they got laughed in the face. What do they do? Bring out Dan Reed and the Cascios, ****** scumbags. Whats next? Send out Robson & Safechuck on a worldwide tour fake crying? Or trying to chase down Jordan Chandler for the 100th time? How can they be this desperate when the only people they are hurting are the film makers and the actors in the film + MJ family who are all 100% innocent...
 
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The media tried to tank the film by fake reviews. When that did not work and they got laughed in the face. What do they do? Bring in Dan Reed and the Cascios, ****** scumbags. Whats next? Send out Robson & Safechuck on a worldwide tour fake crying? Or trying to chase down Jordan Chandler for the 100th time?
The general public supporting the film pretty much tells you all you need to know. Michael Jackson is a once in a lifetime figure and people still love him even after throwing shit on him time and time again.
 
The media tried to tank the film by fake reviews. When that did not work and they got laughed in the face. What do they do? Bring out Dan Reed and the Cascios, ****** scumbags. Whats next? Send out Robson & Safechuck on a worldwide tour fake crying? Or trying to chase down Jordan Chandler for the 100th time? How can they be this desperate when the only people they are hurting are the film makers and the actors in the film + MJ family who are all 100% innocent...
To be honest, it’ll only create more interest in the biopic and help the algorithm. Don’t lose sleep over it. The people have already spoken by showing up for the film and it’ll keep breaking records. Nobody cares mate.👍
 
You know, I complained about the lack of vitiligo scenes, but maybe they shot more footage and couldn't use it yet, because it was part of the bad/dangerous era?
 
You know, I complained about the lack of vitiligo scenes, but maybe they shot more footage and couldn't use it yet, because it was part of the bad/dangerous era?
Yep, Certainly they can go more into depth about that in a 2nd film, I would expect them to.

Also, do not completely ruled out flashbacks and stuff - I mean some films does go back and forward in time. Why would it not be able to do this with Michael?

I think the potential is there to make this a trilogy if they really are up for it!
 
I watched it. Here's my thoughts:


Jaafar is SO CRAZY GOOD. OH MY GOD. GIVE THIS MAN AN OSCAR. The best mimicry performance of an artist ever. I thought he was MJ the entire time. There are so many MJ impersonators but no one ever nailed anything. Not the voice, not the moves, not the quirks. Jaafar does it all. The voice! He nailed it. The quirks, the moves. He nailed it all. Finally someone who gives MJ respect. Because I feel most impersonators go into mockery territory. Now I feel like that more than ever after seeing Jaafar. I remember feeling it was uncanny valley when I watched the trailer and saw Jaafar's eyes and nose, but that's totally gone like 5 mins into the movie. He channeled MJ's body and spirit. Juliano also did great on that front. That boy is crazy talented too. Never to forget him, but he doesn't get that much screentime. He's out by 20 min in lol.


Colman is another one that nailed it. He's vouching for an Oscar too. Legit scary and menacing in the beginning and towards the end it goes into cuckooland which is very Joe. But there are critical issues which are not Colman's fault, which is just so unfortunate because there is so much wasted potential.


Nia is good but she didn't stand out much as a performance. We love Katherine but she's the loving and supportive mother thats easy to perform lol.


I love the attention they give to Bill.


I love what they did to all the songs. I love those remixes. That's the kind of thing I want to hear. And it's so exhilarating watching it all being performed like the original again. They did a really good selection of songs. It was surprising to hear many Jacksons songs.


I love the attention to detail – I think they did much better here than in Bohemian Rhapsody. The costumes, props, locations, scenarios. Its stylized just the right way. The timeline. It's all right. Of course there are minimal details like "Oh he didn't write WBSS in 1983, he wrote years before" or "Vincent Patterson helped create the Beat It choreo" and so on and so forth, but it felt intentional as a means to say he's the genius behind the music. Which is true, but those are not the real examples. Which is scummy. BUT I know they need to have a narrative, they need to establish character and this is a way to do that. Yeah, movie scripts are not real life, they are exaggerated. That aside, the timeline is very loyal to the facts. Bohemian Rhapsody was way more confusing. So I could tell this was made with a lot of love. I also love that they referenced that Michael took a lot of inspiration from old Hollywood movies for his short films, that he loved Charlie Chaplin, the 3 Stooges, James Brown, Fred Astaire.


I love that they showed him being Michael, with the animals, the hospitals, the jokes, and loneliness. That's what I thought the movie should do from the offset. Show him as a human. I thought it did very well.


Now I'm going into the critical issue: it's very light on story. There's no story. Besides the 4 characters I mentioned and John Branca, there's no other relevant character. It felt like a greatest hits tour, because what drives the plot are the performances. Between the performances there are some very minimal interactions between characters lol. And things are just thrown at you. From Gary, they're suddenly in the studio with Berry Gordy. Berry says that Michael can ask him anything and that goes nowhere; it's just a scene to show Joe trying to isolate Michael. Then Michael out of nowhere knows Quincy and that's it. Then they randomly mention Jermaine is out the band, but that doesn't matter, because I don't even think Jermaine has a line. There's still the scene in Studio 54 but it's a quick montage that feels out of context. There's a quick mention of vitiligo and no follow-up on the story. They try to establish the core story like almost 1 hour in: Michael wants to break away from his father and do a solo tour. Honestly? That's barely a story. It's the same story Branca told in the Thriller 40 documentary, and it's funny because Branca comes as the man of the day and saves Michael from his father – now Michael is free from his family and free to be himself thanks to John Branca. I rolled my eyes hard!! Its crazy the reviews didn't pick on this. Yes, there's something missing and something off but it's not what they said. There's barely a climax; I guess it would be the Pepsi incident, which, by the way, was done superbly, considering American Dream gave me trauma on how bad it is, but here's it's done professionally lol. The whole tour thing kinda makes the point of Joe as villain moot. Yes, Joe loses his steam early on in the narrative. Which is a shame, because Colman did so great. Knowing how Michael loves to tour, it's just a very flimsy argument. Plus, the lack of an accompanying story makes the scenes establishing MJ as a character a moot point too, and it's unfortunate for the non-fans. I think Bohemian Rhapsody did better in the narrative area and I remember saying I didn't want it to be like BH, I wanted something original and tastefully done as a narrative. They had everything to make a great biopic, but the story. Considering the obvious cuts, I guess it's a miracle they even had something to show. It does feel very chopped.


No Diana Ross, no Elizabeth Taylor, no Liza Minelli, no the Wiz. None of the siblings have proper dialogue lol. DiLeo shows up for a quick sec (he doesn't speak lol). Just Michael, Katherine, Bill, Joe and Branca talking about Thriller and the Victory Tour. That's the core story.


Bad era is just a quick prop lol. Just like American Dream and Bohemian Rhapsody lol


All in all, it's definitely not a 1/10, but it's not a 9/10 either. I would give it a 6 or 7. Because I'm a fan and it was exhilarating to hear the old songs and watch the videos being done, but I like movies and I see no convincing well-crafted story here. And it's a very hesitant and frustrating note because they had everything to get a 10/10 from me. I'm very curious about the sequel as a fan because this movie seems to be made with a lot of love but I don't see them fixing the issues. I think American Drama handled the script better (which is not a compliment, but things clearly go from point A to point B in American Dream), but this movie handles the things TJ: AD couldn't so much more beautifully and professionally, which are the performances and the scenarios.


I really loved it watching it though. It's a good 6 or 7 movie for me. It was a very good time. I'll watch it again for entertainment purposes.
 
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