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wendijane said:
Also its like ...to me, that TII is like a box of pain,,,.. really really would love a Dangerous one :(
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I can relate. Only recently I’ve been able to appreciate This Is It for its good points. For years I found it quite difficult to watch because it put me into a weird headspace. Celebrating its 10th anniversary with that box set also felt a bit not right.
 
Hot_Street said:
In the decade following Xscape, the only new music was Thriller 40. I would never have dared to imagine that. What did we ever do to deserve this?
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U mean the 96 kbit quality Release?
 
Not to defend the estate but doesn't Prince have like 1000 unreleased songs in his vault? Not really a fair comparison tbh.

That being said, we deserve more.
Collectors label? Give us die hards something! They know it will sell if the quality is there.

Documentary projects post 1987?
Dangerous & History were very successful albums and deserve some recognition.

Concerts
We've seen the victory tour film it's time!
Find the bad tour film or re edit from the tape masters (use July 15 as source audio?)

Unreleased music
New album with unreleased, complete vocals

Remaster more of the short films
 
Robbsaber01 said:
Not to defend the estate but doesn't Prince have like 1000 unreleased songs in his vault? Not really a fair comparison tbh.

That being said, we deserve more.
Collectors label? Give us die hards something! They know it will sell if the quality is there.

Documentary projects post 1987?
Dangerous & History were very successful albums and deserve some recognition.

Concerts
We've seen the victory tour film it's time!
Find the bad tour film or re edit from the tape masters (use July 15 as source audio?)

Unreleased music
New album with unreleased, complete vocals

Remaster more of the short films
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I don't think the complaints are about the frequency of releases or the amount of songs left. I agree we need more.
 
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innuendo141 said:
2010 wurden 1.000 Exemplare hergestellt und es ist IMMER NOCH erhältlich!

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Michael Jackson's This Is It 10th Anniversary Box Set

Box Set Includes: A repressing of the This Is It 4-LP vinyl set on translucent blue vinyl with original jacket artwork 12” X 12” 60-page hardcover coffee table color photo book containing full-page still photographs from original CD booklet and additional previously unpublished photos from This...
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You could also have made mass products in stores that every fan has something from it with low price 200€
 
I would buy a box set of unreleasable demos, instrumentals, cellphone recordings and ideas... Package it with an incredible coffee table book of rare photos and studio "stories". I know a LOT of people would.

Something just for the fans! Damn, if they gave me the access I'd put it together myself!
 
knigofpop said:
I would buy a box set of unreleasable demos, instrumentals, cellphone recordings and ideas... Package it with an incredible coffee table book of rare photos and studio "stories". I know a LOT of people would.
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These kind stuff would only fans or general music enthusiasts buy.

Considering when Michael was on his prime in the eighties, where he's sold millions of records and where over a million people have attended his concerts, the majority of those people are now in their forties to sixties. And those are the ones who would pay (almost any amount of) money for such things. Sony and the Estate should better hurry before we all pass away.
 
Fuzball said:
These kind stuff would only fans or general music enthusiasts buy.

Considering when Michael was on his prime in the eighties, where he's sold millions of records and where over a million people have attended his concerts, the majority of those people are now in their forties to sixties. And those are the ones who would pay (almost any amount of) money for such things. Sony and the Estate should better hurry before we all pass away.
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But we got video footage of the greatest entertainer ever like this in 2025, what more could we ask for?/s

I mean what difference does it make that the estate has 4k film footage, right?! /s
 
It seems Michael never wanted all of his stuff out out to be fair. The entire 2000s was an opportunity for a lot of that stuff but all we got was TUC, a bunch of greatest hits, and one new song on Thriller 25.

I think it's just better to understand that things are going the way MJ wanted it. What's really lacking is the polish he put in his work; only Bad 25 and Xscape hit that quality level we deserve.
 
The reality is Michael wasn't a studio rat and churning music out in the way Prince was. Prince was recording daily and as much as I like him, he was quantity over quality. Prince can have dozens of songs recorded in a few days but how much of it is actually quality work? No shade to him but Michael took time with music and that was his con. We want unreleased music but it's clear more than half of it is unfinished with mumbles and placeholder lyrics.
 
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BlackAnon said:
The reality is Michael wasn't a studio rat and churning music out in the way Prince was. Prince was recording daily and as much as I like him, he was quantity over quality. [...]
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Agreed. Peggy MacCreary and Susan Rogers - studio engineers for Prince - are both on record as saying if Prince had spent more time improving his songs and / or had collaborated more with other people his work would have been even more awesome. They both think he was a genius and they love his work but they believe he could have been even better. Susan Rogers claims that Prince wasn't aiming for perfection in the way that Michael was. She's very clear that they are both great, they just have different modes of working.

Mister_Jay_Tee said:
[...] I think it's just better to understand that things are going the way MJ wanted it. What's really lacking is the polish he put in his work; only Bad 25 and Xscape hit that quality level we deserve.
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BlackAnon said:
The reality is Michael wasn't a studio rat and churning music out in the way Prince was. Prince was recording daily and as much as I like him, he was quantity over quality. Prince can have dozens of songs recorded in a few days but how much of it is actually quality work? No shade to him but Michael took time with music and that was his con. We want unreleased music but it's clear more than half of it is unfinished with mumbles and placeholder lyrics.
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It's not just about unreleased songs but about concerts you could get a lot out of every tour
 
There are alternative vocal takes, partial vocal takes, half baked ideas, snippets, and they could also do stripped back versions, alternative mixes, they could include separate discs to include all of the different remixes from singles for completists etc.

And there’s plenty of tracks that have leaked online in recent years; Throwing Your Life Away, Chicago 1945, Dream Away, early mixes of tracks from earlier era’s etc.

Since Bad25’s release back in 2025 I’ve heard at least a half dozen leaked tracks from the era and I just think “Why wasn’t this included on Bad25?” Then there’s the omission of a track like Cheater that appeared on the Ultimate Collecton but wasn’t on Bad25? Like, remove Pitbull and include Cheater!

Some of the alternative vocal takes from some of the Dangerous tracks are breathtakingly wonderful for MJ’s different interpretations and vocal inflections. Many of us would happily pay for a Dangerous deluxe edition that included a disc of the album made up of entirely different/alternative vocal takes.

There is more than enough material between what’s in vault, leaked, released but not available on streaming services, rare, sods and odds to create immersive musical sets. It’s actually really not that difficult. Box the appropriate material in a set corresponding to its albums era in an imaginative way that allows it to flow, breathe and makes it an exciting experience for the listener.

It needs fleshing out? Get some of the fan community remixers -like SWG, Nick* and others- to provide remixes. There’s a remix that SWG created a few years ago of Blood On The Dance Floor that’s almost like a documentary or evolution mix and it’s incredible.

It’s really not that difficult at all and there’s enough of us in the world interested enough to purchase such sets. Gift a few of them to influencers, YouTubers for reviewing like The Beatles and Lennon estates do to create hype and interest. You don’t even need to worry or bother with traditional media marketing anymore.

Yeah, I’m not sure what’s so incredibly difficult about it, apart from the estate just not actually caring, which is entirely the reason. I mean, Thriller40……
 
aazzaabb said:
There are alternative vocal takes, partial vocal takes, half baked ideas, snippets, and they could also do stripped back versions, alternative mixes, they could include separate discs to include all of the different remixes from singles for completists etc.

And there’s plenty of tracks that have leaked online in recent years; Throwing Your Life Away, Chicago 1945, Dream Away, early mixes of tracks from earlier era’s etc.

Since Bad25’s release back in 2025 I’ve heard at least a half dozen leaked tracks from the era and I just think “Why wasn’t this included on Bad25?” Then there’s the omission of a track like Cheater that appeared on the Ultimate Collecton but wasn’t on Bad25? Like, remove Pitbull and include Cheater!

Some of the alternative vocal takes from some of the Dangerous tracks are breathtakingly wonderful for MJ’s different interpretations and vocal inflections. Many of us would happily pay for a Dangerous deluxe edition that included a disc of the album made up of entirely different/alternative vocal takes.

There is more than enough material between what’s in vault, leaked, released but not available on streaming services, rare, sods and odds to create immersive musical sets. It’s actually really not that difficult. Box the appropriate material in a set corresponding to its albums era in an imaginative way that allows it to flow, breathe and makes it an exciting experience for the listener.

It needs fleshing out? Get some of the fan community remixers -like SWG, Nick* and others- to provide remixes. There’s a remix that SWG created a few years ago of Blood On The Dance Floor that’s almost like a documentary or evolution mix and it’s incredible.

It’s really not that difficult at all and there’s enough of us in the world interested enough to purchase such sets. Gift a few of them to influencers, YouTubers for reviewing like The Beatles and Lennon estates do to create hype and interest. You don’t even need to worry or bother with traditional media marketing anymore.

Yeah, I’m not sure what’s so incredibly difficult about it, apart from the estate just not actually caring, which is entirely the reason. I mean, Thriller40……
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Lots of leaked material that is likely not in the hands of The Estate. This could've been sorted out years ago if they would've played fair with his collaborators but to shut them out and only include material solely written by Michael was where they messed up. There's a reason we don't have certain songs by now.
 
Vincent did an interview where he stated he and Michael were mic'd during their rehearsals and recorded hours of footage from the short films together. He suggested to the Estate they do something with the material and they told him it was too much. He volunteered help edit the footage and they brushed him off. It's clear they didn't want to pay him since he most likely will have to be credited.
 
Yep, many missed opportunities because they are too cheap or just do not care. Legitimately the worst people to be involved with stuff like this.

We can say how easy or obvious this stuff is but you actually need to care and I do not think they do unless they can make a massive profit.

Their obvious disdain for MJ's collaborators is pretty depressing as well, especially as they age, or like a few, have already passed away.
 
I couldn't care less for the Musical or Cirque Shows and stuff. Not my cup of tea anyway. Boring. I want legit Michael Jackson stuff on record or video. I'd rather watch 10 different HIStory concerts in a row.
And I did attend several of these enterprises (Thriller Live pre and post death in 2007 London and in 2010 Germany, and Cirque du Soleil 2011 in Germany).
Also, re. the biopic, of course I want it to succeed, I want it to set the record straight to clear MJ's image. But I'm not eagerly awaiting it to come out so I can watch it. I want it to serve its purpose, and that's it for me. I don't expect to learn anything from it that I didn't already know.
 
Hot_Street said:
While MJ made it exciting to be a fan of his, the Estate now makes it yawn-inducingly boring.
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It becomes .,,,stagnant because....like @Mister_Jay_Tee once said [and I tend to agree.. ] it is hard to support a deceased artist, (and I shall add... when their estate isn't pulling their weight.)
 
Hot_Street said:
While MJ made it exciting to be a fan of his, the Estate now makes it yawn-inducingly boring.
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Maybe I'm taking this too literally, lol. But I don't need any help from MJE to enjoy my 'Michaeling'. I get that many people want new stuff released or stuff in better quality but - in the absence of any of that - I just get on with enjoying Michael's art just like I always have done.
 
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