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Thriller 40th Anniversary

BlackAnon said:
the Billie Jean performance is legendary and there's no denying it but The Jacksons intro performance gets me going a little bit more. Could be because of the live vocals
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MJ himself was ofcourse also disappointed by his Billie Jean performance because of the toe stand
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
I get it. Motown 25 is iconic but it's pretty well played. The J5 stuff is rare. That Never Can Say Goodbye is pretty incandescent.

Really, the whole show of Motown 25 is, dare I say, underrated lol. The whole show is basically great from beginning to end, besides maybe Adam Ant.
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now we need the uncut version so we can see the alleged Supremes drama unfold
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
I get it. Motown 25 is iconic but it's pretty well played. The J5 stuff is rare. That Never Can Say Goodbye is pretty incandescent.

Really, the whole show of Motown 25 is, dare I say, underrated lol. The whole show is basically great from beginning to end, besides maybe Adam Ant.
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Poor Adam. He was only there bc Michael invited him to be on the bill. He was really great doing his own thing but not the right sort of performer for this particular event, imo. I say that as someone who adores Adam. He is my guy. I love Michael to bits but I'm not sure what he was thinking, lol. That said, as an example of Michael thinking outside the box, it's up there! :ROFLMAO:
 
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zinniabooklover said:
Poor Adam. He was only there bc Michael invited him to be on the bill. He was really great doing his own thing but not the right sort of performer for this particular event, imo. I say that as someone who adores Adam. He is my guy. I love Michael to bits but I'm not sure what he was thinking, lol. That said, as an example of Michael thinking outside the box, it's up there! :ROFLMAO:
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IIRC, Adam Ant once said MJ got the idea to wear military jackets from him, that he called him to ask where he bought them
 
Victorious said:
IIRC, Adam Ant once said MJ got the idea to wear military jackets from him, that he called him to ask where he bought them
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Yeah, Adam has told this story a few times. He was wearing his military jacket in 1980 and Michael wears one that is a low-key, simpler version at the Budweiser Superfest in 1982. He also wore it at that Liza Minnelli concert, can't remember the date.

Not that Adam started it. Jimi Hendrix, in 1967, had two military jackets that he wore.

Here's the fancy one:

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It's always claimed that the jackets worn by Jimi and Adam were Royal Hussar jackets (8th & 11th Hussars). Adam's jacket apparently came from Bermans and Nathans, theatrical costumiers, so it could be legit. Jimi got his from Chelsea Antiques Market.

Sidenote: Michael was also interested in the Burundi-influenced drumming that Adam used in some of his songs in 1980.
 
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zinniabooklover said:
Yeah, Adam has told this story a few times. He was wearing his military jacket in 1980 and Michael wears one that is a low-key, simpler version at the Budweiser Superfest in 1982. He also wore it at that Liza Minnelli concert, can't remember the date.

Not that Adam started it. Jimi Hendrix, in 1967, had two military jackets that he wore.

Here's the fancy one:

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It's always claimed that the jackets worn by Jimi and Adam were Royal Hussar jackets (8th & 11th Hussars). Adam's jacket apparently came from Bermans and Nathans, theatrical costumiers, so it could be legit. Jimi got his from Chelsea Antiques Market.

Sidenote: Michael was also interested in the Burundi-influenced drumming that Adam used in some of his songs in 1980.
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zinniabooklover said:
Poor Adam. He was only there bc Michael invited him to be on the bill. He was really great doing his own thing but not the right sort of performer for this particular event, imo. I say that as someone who adores Adam. He is my guy. I love Michael to bits but I'm not sure what he was thinking, lol. That said, as an example of Michael thinking outside the box, it's up there! :ROFLMAO:
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You know, I was actually thinking MJ took a lot from Adam Ant, and it was interesting that I was right lol. Not stolen, but learned.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
You know, I was actually thinking MJ took a lot from Adam Ant, and it was interesting that I was right lol. Not stolen, but learned.
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Agreed. Michael knew how to take inspiration from something / someone and then weave his own magic.

I believe him and Adam had a phone friendship for quite a while before they ever met up. Adam spent a day with Michael at Hayvenhurst after Motown 25. What I desperately want to know is what Michael thought of Adam's videos. I can't believe he didn't see them, he knew what was happening in the UK charts, he was very aware. I need to know, lol. I can't believe no-one bothered to have a proper conversation with him about music videos. There's that quote that gets trotted out every time but that's it.
 
83magic said:
so glad there’s confirmation that the ‘thriller’ documentary is still happening 💜
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Also a confirmation that they are too lazy to just transfer some cassette tapes to the point that we won't get new songs until the next decade :oops:
 
NeoGardiV8 said:
Also a confirmation that they are too lazy to just transfer some cassette tapes to the point that we won't get new songs until the next decade :oops:
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He talks about this and next year, not about thwe whole decade.
 
NeoGardiV8 said:
Also a confirmation that they are too lazy to just transfer some cassette tapes to the point that we won't get new songs until the next decade :oops:
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we already got ‘new’ songs on the ‘thriller 40’ album release. I’m very excited for the accompanying documentary 💜nothing is going to change that..
 
I’m fine with the doc being delayed for whatever reason, especially editing/tech reasons… but that seems like something that should have been communicated closer to the originally announced release date.

Four months ago.
 
83magic said:
people who steal from Michael and leak material (which he himself was against), then complain when the same material is officially released, and there’s nothing else left.
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Nope. I'm all in for leaks to be officially released so we can have them in "proper quality". I'd have loved Hot Street and Nite Line to be on T40 rather than Can't Get Outta the Rain and Sunset Driver. Release leaks, don't recycle stuff that has been released already.

83magic said:
the ‘stories in the room’ ongoing series about the making of the ‘thriller’ album, is miles better than the ‘sonic fantasy’ documentary. the official upcoming documentary will top them both because; it will cover the cultural impact of that time period, and michael’s own thoughts, music, and previously unseen footage will be represented. my only concern is that they have yet to find a network to broadcast it. michael’s reputation has unfortunately been damaged in recent years..
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Stories In The Room is really nice indeed, but much like Sonic Fantasy doesn't have most of the musicians, Stories doesn't have Bruce. They're complementary in a way that they are two perspectives of the same story.
As for the T40 doc, it won't top anything because it is different. Like you said, it will cover the cultural impact, which is something that has been done numerous times on basically every other doc or report about Thriller and/or MJs career as a whole. I'm not saying it'll be bad, that's not it, but it'll be yet another iteration of the same old.
 
83magic said:
the official upcoming documentary will top them both
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No it won't. We are tired of ad fluff pieces for casuals

We love these albums and we already know why. I pity the fools who need to be told why

They could just release 4K footage and it'd be twice the event.
83magic said:
they’re also the ones engaging in, and praising the use of a.i. it’s exploitative, dishonest, and hypocritical given the fallout over the cascio tracks.
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And they're not even remotely the same and have nothing to do with what you're talking about.

Love or hate AI, it's been very transparent. The Casio tracks aren't the problem, they Lied about it. Ones at least by the people's hands, ones exploitation by a greedy record label company. I figured you'd care more about the underdogs then Branca and his cohorts but okay.
 
Fuzball said:
"delayed for technical reasons" - perhaps he's seen "Sonic Fantasy" and was like "damn, our documentary sucks"
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Who knew that people would actually rather hear about the making of the album and the accounts of the people who worked on it instead of listening to whatever current popstar say how much MJ inspired them for the millionth time? 🤔
 
Well, even the great Estate-critiqus were full of prise for the Thriller 40-docu and it was not even finished at that time.
I am convinced most fans by now saying they are not intrested for the docu will watch it. But nobody is forced to do it,


Damien Shields
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30. Nov. 2022

All in all, the documentary was phenomenal, in my opinion. I attended with a non-hardcore fan friend of mine who loved it. I was cautiously optimistic about it being good, and it FAR exceeded my optimism. I think it’d be a huge success on a streaming platform like Netflix.
 
Annita said:
Well, even the great Estate-critiqus were full of prise for the Thriller 40-docu and it was not even finished at that time.
I am convinced most fans by now saying they are not intrested for the docu will watch it. But nobody is forced to do it,


Damien Shields
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30. Nov. 2022

All in all, the documentary was phenomenal, in my opinion. I attended with a non-hardcore fan friend of mine who loved it. I was cautiously optimistic about it being good, and it FAR exceeded my optimism. I think it’d be a huge success on a streaming platform like Netflix.
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Even though I call it a fluff piece for casuals. That has it's place. And it's still enjoyable. We want that and more is the point. This is like the bare minimum.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Even though I call it a fluff piece for casuals. That has it's place. And it's still enjoyable. We want that and more is the point. This is like the bare minimum.
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Yeah, I've never said that the docs the estate produced have been bad (apart from the xscape one which was just insulting). They are just not what I'm looking for and there's no reason they can't do a more in depth documentary.
 
Bad 25 was good, but there was far too much fluff and not enough substance. Why were we given extended periods of Questlove interviews, but only 30 total seconds of studio footage with MJ and Stevie Wonder?

Journey from Motown to Off the Wall was garbage though. Arguably the most useless thing they’ve done.
 
AlwaysThere said:
Bad 25 was good, but there was far too much fluff and not enough substance. Why were we given extended periods of Questlove interviews, but only 30 total seconds of studio footage with MJ and Stevie Wonder?

Journey from Motown to Off the Wall was garbage though. Arguably the most useless thing they’ve done.
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Bad 25 was cohesive in a sense of trying to find a middle ground between impact, recording of the album and videos and paint a picture of MJs life and career at that point. I'd make some different choices there myself, but it works as is.

The truth is that we couldn't care less about documentaries, we want unseen MJ footage, either studio footage or live footage. All the carrot dangling in the doc was very distasteful, especially the MSG footage (not to mention the film sourced bits) right after the Wembley fiasco.
 
So the intro of Beat It intro should have been credited (unless there was an arrangement between MJ and Denny Yeager)

In the latest video from composer and sound designer Anthony Marinelli, he is joined by musician and sound designer Kevin Maloney, who reveals the origin of the iconic synth sound of Michael Jackson‘s Beat it.

In the video, Maloney demonstrates how the intro sound from Beat It was ‘inspired’ by The Incredible Sounds of Synclavier II, a blue vinyl audio demo disk for the Synclavier.

Maloney and Marinelli go on to discuss how the sound was based on a Synclavier preset, and how the demo disk melody, created by Denny Yeager, was recreated in the studio for Beat It.

For those that were deep into synths, and the synth music of the day, the sound was also immediately recognizable from the beginning of Tangerine Dream‘s 1981 album, Exit.

Did Michael Jackson’s ‘Beat It’ copy a synth demo record?

It’s pretty clear that the iconic sound of one of the best-selling singles of all time was copied straight from the Synclavier demo record.

Synthesist Alex Ball dug into this a few years ago, and raised the issue of copyright and credits. Ball notes, though, that Yeager went on to work together on Bad, where Yeager was credited with ‘certain Synclavier effects’.

The sound is iconic – but, arguably, it was Jackson’s use of the sound on Beat It that made it so iconic. Like some other presets from that era, the sound is so inextricably connected to a famous track that it’s challenging to use.

Composer Tom Holkenborg (Junkie XL) was up to that challenge, though, using the iconic sound as part of the 80’s-inspired sound palette for his score to the 2016 film Deadpool.

Here’s a behind the scenes look at the making of the Deadpool score – and you can’t miss that sound.


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