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Thriller 40th Anniversary

wonderouzmj said:
No promo or sht....lmao I hate the estate so much its funny now because like..... bruh wtf at this point
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No no no please, Estate, stop making stupid anniversaries for Thriller album. Fans are pissed of already. We want to get anniversaries of other albums. HISTORY, INVINCIBLE, DANGEROUS! Where are anniversaries of these albums? Hello, Estate!😡
 
all the mentioned tracks are not present on the cd version of T40🤦‍♂️

michaeljackson What’s your favorite demo of a song on “Thriller” that was included on “Thriller 40” – is it the stripped-down demo for “Billie Jean”, the beatboxing on the “Beat It” demo, the group vocals on the demo of “Wanna Be Startin’ Somethin’” or the completely different R&B slow jam demo of “P.Y.T.” that you like the most? Hit the link in stories to listen now and let us know in the comments:
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michaeljackson.nl said:
But they were all already released on other projects. Even on spotify except for the P.Y.T. demo which wasn’t available on spotify but was release on The Ultimate Collection.
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You're moving the goal posts kinda. Idk what that has to do with saying what's on the CD version. Anyway they've already did this with those demoes anyway, they've shouted out all those demoes. Basically a whole year ago but still. It makes more sense to emphasize Thriller and not the 40 as time goes on.
 
It is heartening to see superstars like Usher and Mary offer some public support of MJ post-Neverland. I still think such interviews are extraneous and unnecessary, but given the chaos of the last few years, it’s nice to see.

Looks solid. I’m more interested in the studio footage than anything. Plus, kudos to them for getting it on a major streaming service and not just tossing it on home media to die in silence.
 
MJbr2 said:
To everybody who criticized and still criticize Spike Lee's docs and now are getting the exact same formula from a different director, accept my best regards.
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Well yeah, I'll still criticise him and his docs and say that I'm probably not gonna be a fan of this one as well. Not really sure what the point being made here is.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
Well yeah, I'll still criticise him and his docs and say that I'm probably not gonna be a fan of this one as well. Not really sure what the point being made here is.
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I was referring to @AlwaysThere being soft ("but given the chaos of the last few years, it’s nice to see") when they've been one of the most critical of Spike's docs.

Everybody is entitled to their own opinions and tastes, but I don't get all the hate towards Spike. His docs are not flawed, they're just not what you're all looking for (behind the scenes, making of sort of production).
 
I'm so in love with all the 4k footage. The Victory Tour should be released just like this in full in theaters. It looks so good in the trailer. Hate they reversed some footage & it looks like the last show in one shot at the end where Michael is about to moonwalk. I love the ppl in the doc BUT I DON'T NEED TO SEE MORE TALKING HEADS ABOUT HOW THRILLER INSPIRED THEM. I just wanna get to the music & tour & more new information about mj wanting to tour for Thriller but Joe had other plans... unless branca is just talking again & man...Dec 2?? Lmao we really waited since Feb just to hear it'll be out at the end of the year literally in December like maaaaaaan...🤦🏿‍♂️...(let me thankful, let me be thankful) 🧘🏾‍♂️
 
MJbr2 said:
I was referring to @AlwaysThere being soft ("but given the chaos of the last few years, it’s nice to see") when they've been one of the most critical of Spike's docs.

Everybody is entitled to their own opinions and tastes, but I don't get all the hate towards Spike. His docs are not flawed, they're just not what you're all looking for (behind the scenes, making of sort of production).
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I said that they’re extraneous and unnecessary, so I’m not sure how that qualifies as being “soft.” I said that in this specific case, it’s nice to see A-listers offering public love.

Whenever Spike does a documentary, the actual people who matter get second shift behind contemporary artists. Why is Questlove getting more airtime in Off the Wall than Stevie Wonder or Greg Phillinganes? Why is Chris Brown telling me his opinion on “Another Part of Me”? I think it’s completely valid to expect a documentary chronicling the making of an album to show more behind the scenes material than pow wows with Kanye and Mariah Carey. It’s fine if you enjoy them, but there are legitimate criticisms to be made regarding their quality, and I’m thrilled (no pun intended) that he’s gone for this one.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I said that they’re extraneous and unnecessary, so I’m not sure how that qualifies as being “soft.” I said that in this specific case, it’s nice to see A-listers offering public love.

Whenever Spike does a documentary, the actual people who matter get second shift behind contemporary artists. Why is Questlove getting more airtime in Off the Wall than Stevie Wonder or Greg Phillinganes? Why is Chris Brown telling me his opinion on “Another Part of Me”? I think it’s completely valid to expect a documentary chronicling the making of an album to show more behind the scenes material than pow wows with Kanye and Mariah Carey. It’s fine if you enjoy them, but there are legitimate criticisms to be made regarding their quality, and I’m thrilled (no pun intended) that he’s gone for this one.
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Looks the same to me so far as talking heads about how he made them wanna dance😒🙄
 
AlwaysThere said:
Whenever Spike does a documentary, the actual people who matter get second shift behind contemporary artists. Why is Questlove getting more airtime in Off the Wall than Stevie Wonder or Greg Phillinganes? Why is Chris Brown telling me his opinion on “Another Part of Me”?
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Questlove has become the go-to music "historian" these days it seems, even having forewords for various Beatles reissues.
CB and Mariah on Bad 25 are bollocks, agreed.

AlwaysThere said:
I think it’s completely valid to expect a documentary chronicling the making of an album to show more behind the scenes material than pow wows with Kanye and Mariah Carey. It’s fine if you enjoy them, but there are legitimate criticisms to be made regarding their quality, and I’m thrilled (no pun intended) that he’s gone for this one.
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The criticism is valid, but aiming it at Spike is quite dumb.
The Estate is in charge of planning, they should be criticized. If they wanted to produce a documentary focused on exploring the making of an album, technicalities and all, with the personnel being interviewed, they would do it. They have the final say, always, so they're the ones to be blamed for you guys not getting what you want.
Shall I remind you that Branca turned his back on Sonic Fantasy, which is literally the type of documentary you guys been asking for?

I'd love to have a doc describing the production steps of the albums, but I'm aware that it's not a director's fault it doesn't happen.
 
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MJbr2 said:
Questlove has become the go-to music "historian" these days it seems, even having forewords for various Beatles reissues.
CB and Mariah on Bad 25 are bollocks, agreed.
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I can somewhat quantify the Beatles, as many of their collaborators have sadly passed on. The majority of MJ’s are still with us and, by all accounts, are willing and eager to contribute. There is no reason they shouldn’t.
MJbr2 said:
The criticism is valid, but aiming it at Spike is quite dumb.
The Estate is in charge of planning, they should be criticized. If they wanted to produce a documentary focused on exploring the making of an album, technicalities and all, with the personnel being interviewed, they would do it. They have the final say, always, so they're the ones to be blamed for you guys not getting what you want.
Shall I remind you that Branca turned his back on Sonic Fantasy, which is literally the type of documentary you guys been asking for?

I'd love to have a doc describing the production steps of the albums, but I'm aware that it's not a director's fault it doesn't happen.
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This is one of the more wild assertions I’ve seen on this forum lately. The idea that a documentary’s quality falls on anyone’s shoulders but the director is objectively wrong. Spike has never once given any indication that he was given limitations or requirements; quite the opposite, actually. Would you then argue that the Estate deserves acclaim for his productions, since they were in charge of planning? Or are we picking and choosing based on preconceived bias? Sure, you could argue that the Estate could’ve sent him back to the drawing board, but asserting that that puts them at fault when he’s the one turning in piss-poor products is asinine.

It has nothing to do with us “not getting what [we] want,” and everything to do with Spike being assigned to create a documentary showing the creation of two of the most influential albums ever released, and instead releasing surface-level schlock that sidelines the things that matter for people who had no involvement. Spike absolutely deserves every ounce of criticism he gets.
 
AlwaysThere said:
This is one of the more wild assertions I’ve seen on this forum lately. The idea that a documentary’s quality falls on anyone’s shoulders but the director is objectively wrong. Spike has never once given any indication that he was given limitations or requirements; quite the opposite, actually. Would you then argue that the Estate deserves acclaim for his productions, since they were in charge of planning? Or are we picking and choosing based on preconceived bias? Sure, you could argue that the Estate could’ve sent him back to the drawing board, but asserting that that puts them at fault when he’s the one turning in piss-poor products is asinine.

It has nothing to do with us “not getting what [we] want,” and everything to do with Spike being assigned to create a documentary showing the creation of two of the most influential albums ever released, and instead releasing surface-level schlock that sidelines the things that matter for people who had no involvement. Spike absolutely deserves every ounce of criticism he gets.
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Let's agree to disagree.

It is plain and simple to me that if the Estate wanted a project to have this behind-the-scenes sort of approach, they could have just shelved Spike's concept and hired somebody else to do it, especially giving them directions.
If Spike was given freedom to conduct the project whichever way he wanted, I don't see how he can be faulted for not doing what some people expected if he wasn't given any directions of "it should be like this" or "like that".

Also, since you're one of the people who say the Estate is right to focus on the mainstream public, well, Spike's docs are just that. Interviews by MJs acquaintances, people who worked with him, studio personnel and random celebrities of the given period voicing their opinions on how the man influenced them. Couldn't be more appealing to general audiences.
A documentary exploring the technical side of things, how it came to be, with personnel involved discussing the production would be focused on us, as I fail to see how a random casual, especially youngsters, would have any interest in it.
 
They're giving us the exact same documentaries they've given us since MJ was alive. Was "The Making of Thriller" a technical showpiece? That Number Ones bonus video? Thriller 25. It was literally just Quincy arguing with Will.

This is another thing being done seemingly to MJ's specifications, so that's just the way it's been.
 
MJbr2 said:
Let's agree to disagree.

It is plain and simple to me that if the Estate wanted a project to have this behind-the-scenes sort of approach, they could have just shelved Spike's concept and hired somebody else to do it, especially giving them directions.
If Spike was given freedom to conduct the project whichever way he wanted, I don't see how he can be faulted for not doing what some people expected if he wasn't given any directions of "it should be like this" or "like that".

Also, since you're one of the people who say the Estate is right to focus on the mainstream public, well, Spike's docs are just that. Interviews by MJs acquaintances, people who worked with him, studio personnel and random celebrities of the given period voicing their opinions on how the man influenced them. Couldn't be more appealing to general audiences.
A documentary exploring the technical side of things, how it came to be, with personnel involved discussing the production would be focused on us, as I fail to see how a random casual, especially youngsters, would have any interest in it.
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All I’ll say is, there is a severe difference between focusing on the mainstream public with a new studio album of unreleased music, and doing so by immortalizing a historic piece of art while minimizing the voices of those who created it.
 
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