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Was Remember The Time performed in Rotterdam, June 30th 1992?

For some reason my gut says it has to be the concert in Hamelin, Germany on August 13th. 🤔



"I think we only performed it live once. [...] One time. One time. So one audience got to see that performance. I think we were in Germany. Because I think that's where we started. So I think we were in Germany. This is my... I am trying to remember. And the reason I know we only did it once, is because how physically gruelling it was. And how hard it was to get through the whole thing. I had a gold mask, of, like an Egyptia, mask on my face, that was real gold. It was gold."
 
SmoothCriminal1995 said:
I believe the news footage is June 30 and the amateur audio of Rotterdam is July 1. WBBS is the give away, Mike turns to the Band and shouts "Hey" because it's in the higher key (similar to Munich) this isn't present on the amateur audio. So I think they are seperate nights
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I mean no disrespect, but this has been known for ages (that the reports are from the first night and the AUD is from the second).
 
Fuzball said:
For some reason my gut says it has to be the concert in Hamelin, Germany on August 13th. 🤔



"I think we only performed it live once. [...] One time. One time. So one audience got to see that performance. I think we were in Germany. Because I think that's where we started. So I think we were in Germany. This is my... I am trying to remember. And the reason I know we only did it once, is because how physically gruelling it was. And how hard it was to get through the whole thing. I had a gold mask, of, like an Egyptia, mask on my face, that was real gold. It was gold."
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I think it’s easier for him to have mixed up Germany and the Netherlands, than the time period. Because he clearly believes it was the beginning of the tour (“where we started”). So, the second concert is much more likely than one that took place 2 months into the tour. But who knows.
 
I would love Eddie to be right but I still can't believe that he is. In the early 90's we were still a couple of years away from the world wide web and email becoming easily available to 'ordinary' people (as opposed to the IT community) but I still don't think that's relevant. People would remember.

There was a fan who did a Vindication Day interview on MJ Cast, one of the hardcore fans. He saw, iirc, 35 of the DWT shows including all the German ones. And the few shows (in Asia, I think) that he didn't get to, he had fan friends who did go to those. He says RTT was rehearsed but never performed for an audience. He says he's asked his fan friends who went to the shows he missed. Nothing. No-one can remember the song being performed. And you would remember, wouldn't you? A performance where the dancers are wearing Sphinx-like gold face masks? The dancers wearing the same type of outfit as Michael? Michael's name on either side of the stage done in hieroglyphics? There's just no way anyone could see that and forget it. And people would talk about it. I can understand why there aren't any photos but no memories being shared? That just doesn't add up.
 
dethorro said:
I think it’s easier for him to have mixed up Germany and the Netherlands, than the time period. Because he clearly believes it was the beginning of the tour (“where we started”). So, the second concert is much more likely than one that took place 2 months into the tour. But who knows.
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To me, it's like he meant it's (somewhere) in Germany, where we started.
 
Themidwestcowboy said:
Darn it! Maybe Eddie is misremembering after all.
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I know! :(

As much as I love Eddie's descriptions of this it does sound like this guy has given the definitive answer. The fan forum thing is irrelevant, imo - no offence to anyone, I'm just saying. All of these hardcore 'front row' fans saw each other a lot at the shows and would have exchanged lots of info and so on (we know the front row thing was well established already bc Michael recognised the regular crowd). Not to mention they would be reminiscing in later years. It's true that if RTT had been performed everyone would be quite relaxed about it. But once it became clear it was off the set list and never returned, not even once? People would have talked about that if only bc of the sheer frustration, lol.

Short of a miracle happening, I guess that's it.
 
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Fuzball said:
That's the key point. Only 35 shows were initially planned for Europe; Hamelin & Bayreuth were added at some later time - making it 37 shows in total. So, did his friends attend the shows on August 13 & September 02?
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I only know what he says in the MJ Cast interview. I'd love it if Eddie was right but this guy's input seems pretty persuasive to me. He said the front row crowd covered all the DWT dates. So Eddie's memory is wrong or all of these fans are misremembering. Gotta be one or the other. 🤷🏽‍♀️
 
zinniabooklover said:
I've just refreshed my memory on this MJ Cast episode. Really seems like it didn't happen. Rehearsal, yes, but not at a show.

Time stamp for the RTT bit: 41m 45s - 44m 10s

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Yes, Gratian and Justin (Waldo) pretty much had the whole European leg covered between them. If RTT happened live, one of them would have remembered it. Sadly, I would take their recollection as first hand evidence that it didn't happen 😢
 
A wild guess perhaps, but couldn't it have been performed at a private show to a smaller audience? I think Michael did a couple of those over the years and little seem to be known about them...
or even a final rehearsal for executives? Perhaps even in Europe...
 
Sensual visionary said:
A wild guess perhaps, but couldn't it have been performed at a private show to a smaller audience? I think Michael did a couple of those over the years and little seem to be known about them...
or even a final rehearsal for executives? Perhaps even in Europe...
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He did perform Heal The World for the third time in spring 1993 (besides the Bill Clinton Inauguration Gala and Super Bowl) at a small venue that still seems not to be released in video footage. It is from the Milken Family Foundation National Educator Awards 1993 he attended, see the photos:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MichaelJackson/comments/1ky549w/rare_heal_the_world_performance_1993
 
MJbr2 said:
I mean no disrespect, but this has been known for ages (that the reports are from the first night and the AUD is from the second).
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None taken at all my friend. You're the go to guy for knowledge on MJ concerts as far as I'm concerned.

I'd love this to be true, but I do feel Eddie might be getting confused with either a dress rehearsal or the 1993 performance. I do wish MJ had performed more songs from Dangerous on the tour
 
SmoothCriminal1995 said:
None taken at all my friend. You're the go to guy for knowledge on MJ concerts as far as I'm concerned.
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Thank you for your words, man. I'm glad to serve!

SmoothCriminal1995 said:
I'd love this to be true, but I do feel Eddie might be getting confused with either a dress rehearsal or the 1993 performance. I do wish MJ had performed more songs from Dangerous on the tour
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Eddie isn't the first to make such claim, but there's no evidence to back it up. MJ had a reason to drop the song and knowing his perfectionism, borderline TOC, it's almost inconceivable to think he would perform a dropped song only once, at the second concert of the tour.

I might be wrong, but there ain't a single case of him performing a song dropped during rehearsals in any tours.
 
MJbr2 said:
[...] I might be wrong, but there ain't a single case of him performing a song dropped during rehearsals in any tours.
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As much as I love Eddie, I've always thought this was another weak part of his story. I can't imagine Michael performing a song in front of an audience and then deciding that it's not going to work. That's what rehearsals are for. The show needs to be as tight as possible by the time you take it on the road. So that bit never added up for me.
 
🤔

I’ve been at Kingvention 2022 today and Kevin Dorsey, Michaels vocal director on tour also said that Remember the Time was performed!

He also said so was Can’t Let Get Away and In The Closet.

Kevin went into detail too about the costumes masks and headdresses.

So two people either have the wrong shard memory on things or it did happen! source
 
Fuzball said:
🤔

I’ve been at Kingvention 2022 today and Kevin Dorsey, Michaels vocal director on tour also said that Remember the Time was performed!

He also said so was Can’t Let Get Away and In The Closet.

Kevin went into detail too about the costumes masks and headdresses.

So two people either have the wrong shard memory on things or it did happen! source
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Iirc, Kevin mentions this in an MJ Cast interview.

For ITC, did he mean the instrumental, I wonder?
 
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It probably didn't happen... but boy, it would be AWESOME if something like that popped up! I guess we all long for something we haven't seen before, especially performances...
 
Fuzball said:
For some reason my gut says it has to be the concert in Hamelin, Germany on August 13th. 🤔



"I think we only performed it live once. [...] One time. One time. So one audience got to see that performance. I think we were in Germany. Because I think that's where we started. So I think we were in Germany. This is my... I am trying to remember. And the reason I know we only did it once, is because how physically gruelling it was. And how hard it was to get through the whole thing. I had a gold mask, of, like an Egyptia, mask on my face, that was real gold. It was gold."
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I guess…he can’t remember the time
 
zinniabooklover said:
I know! :(
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lol
zinniabooklover said:
As much as I love Eddie's descriptions of this it does sound like this guy has given the definitive answer. The fan forum thing is irrelevant, imo - no offence to anyone, I'm just saying. All of these hardcore 'front row' fans saw each other a lot at the shows and would have exchanged lots of info and so on (we know the front row thing was well established already bc Michael recognised the regular crowd). Not to mention they would be reminiscing in later years. It's true that if RTT had been performed everyone would be quite relaxed about it. But once it became clear it was off the set list and never returned, not even once? People would have talked about that if only bc of the sheer frustration, lol.

Short of a miracle happening, I guess that's it.
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Can you explain in your long posts how the " fan forum thing "is irrelevant ? .... since he was here in 2008 and you joined in 2022 .
Didn't get to experience it did you. ?? Waiting for the long post.
:)
 
I could understand if they cancelled the performance, since it seems complex, but it would also be weird if they didn't do anything with it after all the work put in and it seems cooler than the other routines imo
 
Victorious said:
but it would also be weird if they didn't do anything with it after all the work put in
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Maybe if 2009 didn't go the way it did, bits of the choreography could've been used for other projects. Similar to the Dangerous short film being salvaged for other things. But that's just a thought.
 
If they did, It could have been that they went out and did it while the stage was being cleaned up.

LaVelle Smith Talk about it "We didn't perform it on Dangerous World Tour but we rehearse just in case. There wasn't a rule to put it in there, but Michael Jackson ask the band to perform it, then we needed to be ready.
https://fb.watch/9ZG
 
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