What are your thoughts on the "unidentified" fingerprints?

[lemon662]

I admittedly missed parts of the live-stream video of Day 8 (Oct 6) of the trial but have tried to catch up. If I understand correctly, at least one (or was it more than 1???) "unidentified" fingerprint was found on the IV bag (though not sure if it was the normal saline IV bag hanging on the pole in the room, or on the bag that was cut/found hidden in the closet? - could someone pls clarify?). It appears from what I've read in the media that numerous people have been ruled out as the fingerprint possibly belonging to them (Murray, MJ, Fleak, Kai Chase, paramedics, investigators, Alberto Alvarez, bodyguards, etc).

So whose fingerprint do you think it could be? This finding is rather disconcerting.

I wonder if they've checked the fingerprints of Nicole Alvarez? (Murray's live-in mistress, who admittedly to him having taken her to MJ's home in the past, we already know Murray had the drugs shipped to her apartment; could she have been more involved in all of this???)

If MJ's residence wasn't sealed off for quite some time after his death, who knows WHO could have been in the home/in that bedroom?

I also for the life of me can't understand WHY the bottle of juice on the nightstand was not collected as evidence and the contents of same tested. What a gross oversight, IMO. You're investigating the unexplained cause of death of someone and you blatantly disregard a container they would have drank from and don't test what was inside the bottle?

I wonder if it's not possible that Murray didn't originally HIDE the bag of stuff in the cupboard..........and he made arrangements with someone inside the home (bodyguard/security) to have someone not associated with MJ's staff to move it there and in the process they left their print on it?

Also, on the nightstand behind the bottle of juice, there appeared to be a cell phone...looked to me like an iPhone. It obviously wasn't Murray's, was it MJ's? Fleak was not asked about this but it was so obvious to me in the picture. Did anyone else see it and wonder about it?

 

[elusive moonwalker]

House was left open the saline bag (if thats the one they are talking about)was left there for days and was touched by someone as the iv tube had been slighty moved. jacksons were in the house. so theres them for starters

 

[LastTear]

Isn't it possible that the fingerprints were from the manufacturer, or whoever packaged the bottles?

 

[lemon662]

House was left open the saline bag (if thats the one they are talking about)was left there for days and was touched by someone as the iv tube had been slighty moved. jacksons were in the house. so theres them for starters

The Jacksons were in the house? That's kind of ironic. From what I've read, MJ didn't really allow his family into his home/didn't want them coming over (if what i've read is true) yet they were there when he wasn't. Do you know what family members were reported to have been there? Something makes me think I can remember, shortly after his death, that LaToya was there and something about a moving van and family members taking items/furniture etc?

Hmmm, wouldn't investigators know that family had been there and therefore fingerprinted them for comparison?

You would think that security would have kept some kind of "log" as to who was coming and going though perhaps that kind of thing went out the window with MJ being gone?

 

[triniti]

Hmmm, wouldn't investigators know that family had been there and therefore fingerprinted them for comparison?

Good point.

If I remeber correctly Michael Amir let the family in about midnight. There were Randy, LaToya, Janet, maybe Jermaine( I'm not sure, though..)

 

[LastTear]

I only remember Katherine and LaToya going there, it seemed wrong to me at the time in as much as I was surprised that it wasn't sealed, and that they could go looking through stuff. Are we certain that the bedroom where he died wasn't sealed? I remember reading (it may not be true) that KJ and LaToya were (amongst other things) searching for a wad of cash he always kept, so if that were true then they would almost certainly have gone through cupboards etc. I can't believe anyone would be allowed to rummage through that room before it had been cleared.

 

[chanel05]

I seen videos online that show the entire family leaving and coming. I also heard that LaToyas boyfriend staed the night for a few nights. I also heard that Janet hired security for the house in days after

 

[Ashtanga]

I seen videos online that show the entire family leaving and coming.

I also saw it on tv. They took away things from Michael in a truck:

 

[chanel05]

Didn't MJ keep cash in his house?? If so how much was recovered??

 

[*~MJLovesMJ~*]

Yeah I remember, pretty sure it was that night when the family members where at the house claiming some items. My question is though, how did the IV bag first get into the hands of the authorities? If for example, a family member found it and turned it in, perhaps their prints are on it... or it could have happened when they were transporting it and it changed hands from police staff. It is biazarre though.

 

[LastTear]

I have always felt it was just bizarre so to me that anyone would be allowed to rifle through and remove items. I know the children would need things, so one would expect a family member accompanied by the police could have access, but ltd. access. Maybe we will find out the that the bedroom murray killed him in was sealed, if not, the defence will have a field day.

 

[QuirkyDiana00]

My question would be have the fingerprints been put through a database or has a higher authority examined them? Also, are the 4 fingerprints the same, are they from the same person? Prosecution didn't even reveal whether they are identical fingerprints......if you don't ask, you don't get an answer. Prosecution stated during jury selection that they must be prepared to accept there are unanswered questions in this case. I believe they got rid of a potential juror because she didn't accept that.

 

[Ashtanga]

Didn't MJ keep cash in his house?? If so how much was recovered??

For sure Michael had a coffer at home.

 

[chanel05]

I thought he did or something like that. I thought Tohme Tohme turned it over

 

[ivy]

I admittedly missed parts of the live-stream video of Day 8 (Oct 6) of the trial but have tried to catch up. If I understand correctly, at least one (or was it more than 1???) "unidentified" fingerprint was found on the IV bag (though not sure if it was the normal saline IV bag hanging on the pole in the room, or on the bag that was cut/found hidden in the closet? - could someone pls clarify?).

the cut IV bag from the closet

It appears from what I've read in the media that numerous people have been ruled out as the fingerprint possibly belonging to them (Murray, MJ, Fleak, Kai Chase, paramedics, investigators, Alberto Alvarez, bodyguards, etc).

true

So whose fingerprint do you think it could be? This finding is rather disconcerting.

It just means that they didn't have a comparative sample.

House was left open the saline bag (if thats the one they are talking about)was left there for days and was touched by someone as the iv tube had been slighty moved. jacksons were in the house. so theres them for starters

Isn't it possible that the fingerprints were from the manufacturer, or whoever packaged the bottles?

It could be anyone that they didn't test. Manufacturer packaging people, pharmacy sending them, anyone in Murray's house or practices (such as Nicole Alvarez or his staff) and anyone in MJ's house (such as his kids and nanny) could be the one that left fingerprints on them.

My question would be have the fingerprints been put through a database or has a higher authority examined them?

In USA the biggest fingerprint database is the federal (FBI) database. States also have local databases. In the recent years (last 5 years) they are trying to merge these two. I don't know how is California in regard to integration. Regardless they can run a fingerprint in the state system and send it to FBI as well.

Also, are the 4 fingerprints the same, are they from the same person? Prosecution didn't even reveal whether they are identical fingerprints......if you don't ask, you don't get an answer.

most probably impossible to know unless they can identify the fingerprint. Because it can be 1 single person leaving 4 prints of different fingers - which all be different btw or it could be 4 different people leaving only one print.

Thinking about how we pick up items , I'll say it's most likely it is a single person leaving the fingerprints of different fingers

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Prosecution stated during jury selection that they must be prepared to accept there are unanswered questions in this case. I believe they got rid of a potential juror because she didn't accept that.

she accepted that actually. she said she could. the reason for her removal - in my opinion- she had ran protests against the law enforcement. Probably they assumed that she was biased.

 

[lemon662]

I have always felt it was just bizarre so to me that anyone would be allowed to rifle through and remove items. I know the children would need things, so one would expect a family member accompanied by the police could have access, but ltd. access. Maybe we will find out the that the bedroom murray killed him in was sealed, if not, the defence will have a field day.

I agree. It doesn't make any sense to me that a deceased person's family members are able to just go into their home and start removing items. I don't understand how being someone's family member gives you the right to enter their residence and remove their belongings. You would think that there would need to be some sort of legal process for this, perhaps with respect to their will, about who can take what.

 

[mdiegee210]

The orange juice that was not tested, No orange juice was found in Michael blood, stomach, urine.

 

[twinklEE]

I agree. It doesn't make any sense to me that a deceased person's family members are able to just go into their home and start removing items. I don't understand how being someone's family member gives you the right to enter their residence and remove their belongings. You would think that there would need to be some sort of legal process for this, perhaps with respect to their will, about who can take what.

They clearly took advantage of the fact that he was dead and they were his next to kin, considering the ages of his children, there's doubt in my mind. I think it's a shame that they did that and it clearly showed where their priorities were even barely few days after his death, it was all about the money, jealoury and other valueable items for them. It was also the best opportunity they could ever get to snoop around in his belongings.

 

[QuirkyDiana00]

Ivy - thanks for elaborating on how someone picks up an IV bag.......

 

[QuirkyDiana00]

The fingerprints could belong to anyone......it's amazing that they've not done further testing, for example family members, to at least exclude them.