Blues_Away2023
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I see no disrespect, more like an honest and open view that is not clouded by MJ worshiping.
What Hurley said was spot on.
What Hurley said was spot on.
Everything about this registers as disrespectful to me. Horrible example. Keep his name out of your mouth.It would be like saying "I actually think Matthew Perry's peak was after Friends when he went on a 10 year drug binge". It would make just as much sense, no disrespect meant to Matthew Perry of course.
It is average for Michael Jackson. I still like it.
I didn't say it's disrespectful not to like it, but I don't want anyone speaking for me. Love or hate, I am not your equal.
Plenty of artists release average albums, their whole career is built off "average" albums as far as I'm concerned. Some artists are one hit wonders. But as far as I'm concerned, MJ did no wrong musically, and I will always feel that way. Invincible for me is still way more listenable than Janet's "average" or JT's "average" or even Beyonce's "best". So sue me, I commit to a unique standard.
Everything about this registers as disrespectful to me. Horrible example. Keep his name out of your mouth.
Pretty sure the general sales figure is what it sold as an entire unit rather than individual disc (I believe individual disc sales are over 30 million)Maybe History didn't sell 10m as a single package, either.
Am I the one insisting on shoving down our throats? No, I'm not. This is irrelevant to me.And it might be better than the average of some popular artists but at the same time a new thread every day as to why it was great and we should respect it is a bit ridiculous, is it not?
I've gotten more out of Invincible than Man of the Wood, and I like that album. Got more out of it than Discipline, by Janet. I've even gotten more out of it than Victory by the Jacksons, and that was MJ at his peak of his powers.And I am not sure if it is better than the average of the artists you cite.
You're like a broken record. Stop saying this already.You can like the album but to pretend its anywhere near his best stuff is ridiculous and laughable.
You named a few songs that are all S Tier and as good as the best off Thriller and Bad. And also You Are Not Alone, which has aged as well as a carcass.Scream - better than anything on Invincible
You are not alone - better than anything on Invincible
They dont care about us - better than anything on invincible
Stranger in Moscow - better than anything on Invincible
Pretty sure the general sales figure is what it sold as an entire unit rather than individual disc (I believe individual disc sales are over 30 million)
Invincible is not just average album, it's one of the best albums, Michael have ever created. It's definitely better than Thriller or History.The album is average at best. You can be a huge fan of an artist and admit they released a dud album.
Yes. Invincible sold around 6, History around 20. With decent promotion Invincible could sell about 15-17m.HIStory sold 20 million as a complete package. It's a known fact since 2 decades.
HAHAHAHAHA omg. Really???Scream - better than anything on Invincible
You are not alone - better than anything on Invincible
They dont care about us - better than anything on invincible
Stranger in Moscow - better than anything on Invincible
No, Shaun. Unbreakable is one of the best Invincible songs. It's better than Thriller or Dirty DianaAm I the one insisting on shoving down our throats? No, I'm not. This is irrelevant to me.
I've gotten more out of Invincible than Man of the Wood, and I like that album. Got more out of it than Discipline, by Janet. I've even gotten more out of it than Victory by the Jacksons, and that was MJ at his peak of his powers.
You're like a broken record. Stop saying this already.
You named a few songs that are all S Tier and as good as the best off Thriller and Bad. And also You Are Not Alone, which has aged as well as a carcass.
But sure, it's all better than Cry and Privacy, I'll agree with that. But I'll take Unbreakable and Butterflies over D.S or Superfly Sister. For God's sake, be reasonable.
No it sold 10m lolHIStory sold 20 million as a complete package. It's a known fact since 2 decades.
Sales did not really have to do with the quality of the included new songs in these 2 albums.Waah, everything is disrespect. It was an apt analogy so deal with it.
And it might be better than the average of some popular artists but at the same time a new thread every day as to why it was great and we should respect it is a bit ridiculous, is it not? And I am not sure if it is better than the average of the artists you cite. Maybe if it were cut down a lot of the fat you might be able to say that.
The problem here is also the Sony blaming and the wondering why it didn't sell more. It was an average album and sold around about what it should have sold. Usher's 8701 sold less worldwide and that album is a better album with way more hits. You can like the album but to pretend its anywhere near his best stuff is ridiculous and laughable. I'd say Invincible is half as good as HIStory and sold about half the sales. Sounds about right to me.
And I'll qualify that statement with this -
Scream - better than anything on Invincible
You are not alone - better than anything on Invincible
They dont care about us - better than anything on invincible
Stranger in Moscow - better than anything on Invincible
It's not to you get to deep cuts like Tabloid Junkie and Money that you draw comparisons with something like You Rock My World or Whatever Happens
Considering History came off the back of the allegations in 93 it needed a mammoth promotional campaign and tour to limit damage control.Sales did not really have to do with the quality of the included new songs in these 2 albums.
Keep in mind that the 'HIStory' album was released with an additional disc (disc one) that included some of his classic hits (which gave a boost to the sales of the entire 'HIStory' album).
Also, according to music industry insiders, the 'HIStory' album was supported by one of the most expensive promotional campaigns ever, like:
The 'HIStory' album came with a mammoth world tour around the globe (82 concerts).
They released 8 singles from the 'HIStory' album, and some of them were very expensive in their making.
Aside the HIStory Tour, Michael Jackson also actively promoted the 'HIStory' album by giving various interviews during the 'HIStory' era.
On the other hand, the 'Invincible' album did not have any of the above, hence its lower sales compared to the 'HIStory' album.