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Why the lip-synching?

8th wonder said:
I never claimed 38 & 39 was old but he's obviously not going to have as much stamina as he did when he was 25 (hence him needing to use oxygen masks throughout the show). That's what normally happens with people; as they age they won't be as fit as they were before. It also applies to sports; athletes will obviously be fitter & have more stamina when they're 25 than when they're 39. It's also important to consider that Michael might've had some issues with his lungs on that tour which would've also affected his stamina.

James Brown may have still sung live when he was in his 70s but he obviously didn't have the energy & stamina he had in his 20s.
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8th wonder said:
But that's such a niche example you've chosen just to play devils advocate; exceptions don't disprove rules. I think we can all agree that 99% of 25 year olds are healthier than 86 year olds (most people aren't even healthy enough to live that long). Anyway the main point was Michael was fitter when he was in his 20s than when he was 39 which can be clearly seen in how energetic he was on stage, how little he used playback, the fact he didn't need to breathe in oxygen masks in between songs & how short his breaks were.
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Where does this information come from?

Michael Jackson had long breaks and oxygen assistance (between songs) only in the 1993 'Dangerous' concerts, when the stress from the child abuse accusations against him affected his overall health at that time.

In any case, Michael Jackson did not seem to care about his extensive lip-syncing during the HIStory Tour, which apparently was a matter of choice on his part.

He knew that he was about to perform in sold-out stadiums/arenas (during the HIStory Tour), so why to make his life harder by also singing live while executing his dance moves?
 
Most male singers in the pop/rock genre start to struggle around their late 30s/early 40s. Combined with his physically-demanding dance moves and his health problems (lupus, etc...), putting on a good vocal performance night after night while also dancing was not really possible for him by the HIStory tour. I would have rather he just transposed the songs down more and eased up on some of the dancing, but I can understand why he did. Listen to Paul Stanley (of KISS) for the last 15-20 years...lip-synching is better than that.
 
PurpleThriller said:
It sounds horrible but I rather have him dead than pitch correcting his vocals.
I always thought pitch correction is for people who can't sing like Justin Bieber (in my opinion).
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Please tell me your not actually saying you would rather have Michael actually DEAD than pitch correcting??
Omg even if you was not meaning this you should definitely check what you are posting????
 
People that say Michael could not sing anymore did you actually see This is it when Michael sings I just carnt stop loving you LIVE and adlbbed as well?
 
In my honest opinion, the playback never took away from the value of Michael's concerts. In some ways, I find the History Tour more enjoyable to watch in comparison with the Bad Tour.
I think he should have given more effort to sing songs like YANA, SIM and HTW live, but the rest of the playback setlist I don't take issue with.

It is clear now more than ever, given the recordings of his true vocal condition during that time, that Michael was aware of the terrible condition of his voice and utilized the playback so that fans could still enjoy the concert. The hoarse vocals he delivered at times during the live portions were not very good most nights, and I don't think many would have enjoyed it.

History was indeed a very good show. Start to finish. imo.
 
chris123678 said:
In my honest opinion, the playback never took away from the value of Michael's concerts. In some ways, I find the History Tour more enjoyable to watch in comparison with the Bad Tour.
I think he should have given more effort to sing songs like YANA, SIM and HTW live, but the rest of the playback setlist I don't take issue with.

It is clear now more than ever, given the recordings of his true vocal condition during that time, that Michael was aware of the terrible condition of his voice and utilized the playback so that fans could still enjoy the concert. The hoarse vocals he delivered at times during the live portions were not very good most nights, and I don't think many would have enjoyed it.

History was indeed a very good show. Start to finish. imo.
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Best post yet in this thread
 
chris123678 said:
that Michael was aware of the terrible condition of his voice and utilized the playback so that fans could still enjoy the concert.
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Absolutely. Some people pretend that Michael was just lazy or did not care enough to sing love, while forgetting the reality. In my opinion, it was a decision on Michael's part to use playback and put up the best show for his fans. He had nothing to prove as a singer, and he used his own vocals for playback, not something fake. And it was him dancing on the stage not some duplicate, so I don't know how people feel cheated!! 🤔
 
chris123678 said:
In my honest opinion, the playback never took away from the value of Michael's concerts. In some ways, I find the History Tour more enjoyable to watch in comparison with the Bad Tour.
I think he should have given more effort to sing songs like YANA, SIM and HTW live, but the rest of the playback setlist I don't take issue with.

It is clear now more than ever, given the recordings of his true vocal condition during that time, that Michael was aware of the terrible condition of his voice and utilized the playback so that fans could still enjoy the concert. The hoarse vocals he delivered at times during the live portions were not very good most nights, and I don't think many would have enjoyed it.

History was indeed a very good show. Start to finish. imo.
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Michaels Lover said:
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Best post yet in this thread
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I think it is one of the worst posts yet. It is too nuanced, the HIStory tour is inexcusable. It is MJ laughing at us. He says backstage "those fools keep cheering me even when the girls on stage are smothering me while the playback plays during YANA"

I literally get shivers thinking about this poor excuse of a tour, an embarrassment. Everyone can hate me for these comments I don't care I know I am right.
 
filmandmusic said:
I think it is one of the worst posts yet. It is too nuanced, the HIStory tour is inexcusable. It is MJ laughing at us. He says backstage "those fools keep cheering me even when the girls on stage are smothering me while the playback plays during YANA"

I literally get shivers thinking about this poor excuse of a tour, an embarrassment. Everyone can hate me for these comments I don't care I know I am right.
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It’s actually one of the reason why MJ’s questioned as a performer. I keep hearing stuff like “yeah he was great in studio but live was eegh.”
 
filmandmusic said:
I think it is one of the worst posts yet. It is too nuanced, the HIStory tour is inexcusable. It is MJ laughing at us. He says backstage "those fools keep cheering me even when the girls on stage are smothering me while the playback plays during YANA"

I literally get shivers thinking about this poor excuse of a tour, an embarrassment. Everyone can hate me for these comments I don't care I know I am right.
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Funny, your post just made me do the same.
 
xscape guy 2003 said:
Please tell me your not actually saying you would rather have Michael actually DEAD than pitch correcting??
Omg even if you was not meaning this you should definitely check what you are posting????
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I am sadistic by nature,I meant every word.
Good job on observing the outright obvious though.
What does "dead" mean for you by the way?Dead mentally,psychically,spiritually,socially? We are all dead to an extent and alive to another. Aren't we?
 
Pitch correcting is cheating unless it is done so obviously it becomes an effect which I don’t mind.
I have respect for artists and studio musicians pre 70s, these guys were pros.
 
filmandmusic said:
Pitch correcting is cheating unless it is done so obviously it becomes an effect which I don’t mind.
I have respect for artists and studio musicians pre 70s, these guys were pros.
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Let’s say pre-1997. Pitch correction was not used before that year.
 
filmandmusic said:
I think it is one of the worst posts yet. It is too nuanced, the HIStory tour is inexcusable. It is MJ laughing at us. He says backstage "those fools keep cheering me even when the girls on stage are smothering me while the playback plays during YANA"

I literally get shivers thinking about this poor excuse of a tour, an embarrassment. Everyone can hate me for these comments I don't care I know I am right.
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I can probably see why you would think that way. Not everyone can appreciate the dancing, the moves, the gold pants, the brilliance of perfection that was still part of HIStory tour. I think many fans just see Michael as one dimensional, a great singer, so if he is not singing live, what's the point. I really don't think your version of 'Michael laughing at fools' has even a ounce of accuracy.
 
I don't mind lip-syncing for songs such as Smooth Criminal, Dangerous, They Don't Care About, Jam, The Way You Make Me Feel, all songs that involve intense dance routines. But lip-syncing for songs such as Heal The World, Stranger In Moscow, You Are Not Alone, Black or White.... I don't like that one bit.
 
Hiker said:
Absolutely. Some people pretend that Michael was just lazy or did not care enough to sing love, while forgetting the reality. In my opinion, it was a decision on Michael's part to use playback and put up the best show for his fans. He had nothing to prove as a singer, and he used his own vocals for playback, not something fake. And it was him dancing on the stage not some duplicate, so I don't know how people feel cheated!! 🤔
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Although it was not something fake, yet it was something very laughable on certain cases (during the HIStory Tour).

Also, many people (who attended those concerts) felt cheated in the sense that Michael Jackson was trying to show them that he was singing live.

For example, he used to adjust his headset microphone with his fingers (so as to bring it closer to his mouth) while he was lip-syncing his songs!
 
mj_frenzy said:
Also, many people (who attended those concerts) felt cheated in the sense that Michael Jackson was trying to show them that he was singing live.
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Well, to create more authenticity in the performance. And who are these people who felt 'cheated', did they even attend a show live 🤔 or are just couch critics (like me!)
 
Hiker said:
I can probably see why you would think that way. Not everyone can appreciate the dancing, the moves, the gold pants, the brilliance of perfection that was still part of HIStory tour. I think many fans just see Michael as one dimensional, a great singer, so if he is not singing live, what's the point. I really don't think your version of 'Michael laughing at fools' has even a ounce of accuracy.
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The gold pants Jesus stop it :p
He should have been like the Beatles, they stopped touring because their music became too complex to play live.
Also I think it is the other way around, I see MJ as a multidimensional performer, not just a singer. It is MJ himself who offers the limited view by only concentrating on the choreographies and spectacle while he was so much more than that.
It is exactly the lack of criticism the hardcore fanbase offered that made MJ look like a one dimensional miming pop star.
 
filmandmusic said:
He should have been like the Beatles, they stopped touring because their music became too complex to play live.
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Thank God he did not! Otherwise we would have missed out on so much. Instead he used technology to create a great performance.
filmandmusic said:
concentrating on the choreographies and spectacle while he was so much more than that.
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Again, good he was not listening to you. The live shows were choreography and spectacle, not just about him standing on stage and singing the same songs. Again, he created a performance and used the best he had - great vocals in playback, great dancing on stage and some gimmicks like cherrypicker, magic thingy etc.
Let's just agree to disagree here.
 
Hiker said:
Again, good he was not listening to you. The live shows were choreography and spectacle, not just about him standing on stage and singing the same songs. Again, he created a performance and used the best he had - great vocals in playback, great dancing on stage and some gimmicks like cherrypicker, magic thingy etc.
Let's just agree to disagree here.
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But the point is he could do both at the same time as proven numerous times in the 70s and 80s. He hurt his credibility by turning one dimensional!
But since you are my fave mod I let you get away with it.
 
Nite Line said:
I don't mind lip-syncing for songs such as Smooth Criminal, Dangerous, They Don't Care About, Jam, The Way You Make Me Feel, all songs that involve intense dance routines. But lip-syncing for songs such as Heal The World, Stranger In Moscow, You Are Not Alone, Black or White.... I don't like that one bit.
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But I have seen impersonators do these songs and routines while singing. It can be done
 
filmandmusic said:
But I have seen impersonators do these songs and routines while singing. It can be done
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Those impersonators weren't performing since the age of 5. They also didnt have the several health problems that MJ had at that point. I agree some of the playback choices were questionable. Especially the OTW medley. That being said I understand why he couldnt sing & dance fully live like he did in the past.
 
filmandmusic said:
But I have seen impersonators do these songs and routines while singing. It can be done
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It can be done. And I believe Michael would have been able to do it himself in the 70s and early/mid 80s. But I suppose by the the late 80s and 90s, Michael's voice was too worn out from all the years of performing, not to mention his various health issues and drug usage.
 
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