Do u believe any of the conspiracy theories?

[Lily]

Exactly. Too many hands in Michael's financial matters.

I have my own conspiracy theory that I'd like to post. Not sure if I'm willing to take the criticism. Most likely it's the same thing others have thought. It's all too fishy. Not an accident.

Too many hands, and hands that had no reason to be in his business it seems.

There is no right or wrong in posting your thoughts. We are all searching for truth. You should let your voice be heard.

 

[resonnant]

Too many hands, and hands that had no reason to be in his business it seems.

There is no right or wrong in posting your thoughts. We are all searching for truth. You should let your voice be heard.

Thanks Lily. I may just post it although I'll probably look like I'm on crack.

 

[TheOriginalPYT]

First of all... has anybody here ever had a drug/substance abuse problem? Anyone? Well... guess what... I have. And let me tell you, most of it came from stress, OCD, perfectionism, and the way I was treated by others. Pretty much what Michael was going through in his later years. Now I wasn't doing coke or smoking crack, or anything... but I was addicted to the same controlled substances as Michael was--Xanax, Valium, Ativan, etc, etc. I only realized I had a problem years later. I was in mental and physical pain at the time as well as anxious, overly stressed, and dancing my ASS off to pay off my debts, and those prescription medications helped numb everything I was going through. I can see exactly where Michael was coming from. Sadly, if I had his money, I probably would've looked for 'something more numbing' to help me get through each day. Even Michael's family, closest friends, staff members, and of course--the doctors knew Michael was 'weak' and was addicted to these medications.

I LOVE Michael dearly with all of my heart, but I can totally see where he was coming from. Add the crap I went through to Michael's daily life, fame, no privacy, dealing with the press, gossip, paparazzi, etc, etc, etc. TRUST ME-- a human-being can only take so much stress before they have a nervous breakdown, and then after that, it's nothing but an uphill battle, heh.

These are my thoughts because of my own related experiences, and I don't care what anybody thinks about them. Wave 150K in a doctor's face, and I'm sure you're going to get the medication that you need/want. I'm sure there are some doctors out there that would NOT have wanted to have anything to do with 'this business' ... but 'troubled' doctors. Um... yeah.

And once again... this is something I feel strongly about because I was an addict at one time MYSELF, and I still struggle with addiction (from time to time), depression, and other mood/mental disorders. Again as far as the conspiracies... yes, there could definitely be some and we may never know the whole truth. Ever. But my point is is that some fans need to accept the fact that even our idols aren't 100 percent perfect. They are human and make mistakes-- just like we do.

 

[JaneBender]

^^^^^ Absolutely! Wow girl, what a personal thing to share. I agree with everything you've stated here.

I don't believe there was any great conspiracy to get rid of Michael Jackson. I believe that the planets that were orbiting around him, AEG, Murray, Tohme, etc, collided and ended up costing MJ his life. That's all.

 

[Lily]

I definitely feel your post TheOriginalPYT. We are all with faults and far from perfect.

I can speak from a very recent experience that I had when I had major surgery in March of this year. I was given morphine *blah* and darvocet and vicodin and I didn't think twice about taking 2 & 3 vicodin a day like it was routine for almost a month. First it was to help with the physical pain from healing and then I was told I had to see a cancer specialist so it numbed me from the shock of having to deal with that traumatic news. :mello: People need to understand that it is very easy to develop a dependency on prescription meds. I don't drink, smoke or do any recreational drugs and taking vicodin became routine for me in trying to escape reality. Literally it was as easy as taking an aspirin a day, until one day I told myself I didn't like not feeling like myself and I stopped. I just had to deal with life a different way. But that was my choice. We have NO IDEA the emotional, physical, and mental pain Michael went through in the past or was going through in the present. I personally will not call him a drug addict nor will I judge him because I've never walked in his shoes.....

Now interestingly enough on LKL tonight is was said that all the meds were found in the doctors room, so did Michael even have access to all these meds they have said they found and he was supposedly taking? I think the media is trying to flip it to make him look like the bad guy as usual by saying he was an addict and they really have no clue. The one thing that is apparent is that he was surrounded by not only incompetent doctors and enablers, but something/someone more evil and sinister that ultimately cost him his life.

 

[krism]

TheOriginalPYT - Amazingly honest post! And youre right, Xanax and other prescription drugs are very commonplace and overprescribed. In fact my Doctor wont prescribe anyone them as nearly half the patients that come into her practice are addicted to that or one of the other prescription pills on the market.

And youre right, our idols arent perfect. In fact some fans who insist they are are in fact denying them their humanity. Everyone makes mistakes and Michael Jackson might very well have been an addict. If he was, then his story is alas too common in our society but everyone reacts differently to pain and its easy to get hooked on prescription drugs.

 

[resonnant]

I definitely feel your post TheOriginalPYT. We are all with faults and far from perfect.

I can speak from a very recent experience that I had when I had major surgery in March of this year. I was given morphine *blah* and darvocet and vicodin and I didn't think twice about taking 2 & 3 vicodin a day like it was routine for almost a month. First it was to help with the physical pain from healing and then I was told I had to see a cancer specialist so it numbed me from the shock of having to deal with that traumatic news. :mello: People need to understand that it is very easy to develop a dependency on prescription meds. I don't drink, smoke or do any recreational drugs and taking vicodin became routine for me in trying to escape reality. Literally it was as easy as taking an aspirin a day, until one day I told myself I didn't like not feeling like myself and I stopped. I just had to deal with life a different way. But that was my choice. We have NO IDEA the emotional, physical, and mental pain Michael went through in the past or was going through in the present. I personally will not call him a drug addict nor will I judge him because I've never walked in his shoes.....

Now interestingly enough on LKL tonight is was said that all the meds were found in the doctors room, so did Michael even have access to all these meds they have said they found and he was supposedly taking? I think the media is trying to flip it to make him look like the bad guy as usual by saying he was an addict and they really have no clue. The one thing that is apparent is that he was surrounded by not only incompetent doctors and enablers, but something/someone more evil and sinister that ultimately cost him his life.

Exactly.

 

[TonyTiger]

I think it's a planned murder, too bad the doctor is only the fallguy who takes the penalty while the rest of the people run off.
Conspiracies are in a way kinda like the old saying about the devil, the best thing about them are that people never wanna believe they exist.

 

[london]

First of all... has anybody here ever had a drug/substance abuse problem? Anyone? Well... guess what... I have.

SENSE: you are making it

stay strong, kid. and good luck.

 

[Moth2aFlame]

The only Conspiracy is the one they created in the Media, TMZ, Tabloids and on Michael

Jackson Fan Sites that "he Accidental needed drugs and was Neglegently Killed with his own

Drugs of Choice". No I Do Not Believe the "Accidental Conspriracy" and thats the only one I

have heard about or seen. But they are really pressing everyone to believe it, but No Thanks I

know Michael Jackson was a much better person than the one they have now created and

made into this Junkie and Deceitful Person, I know that was not the real Michael Jackson they

are making him out to be now in the Media, TMZ, Tabloids and on his own namesake Fan

Sites, because if the REAL Michael Jackson they Murdered was really like the way they are

saying he was they would have let him live wouldnt have had no Reasons to kill him, but the

real Michael Jackson would never become that person so they had to kill the real Michael

Jackson and Create the one all those negative threads and media reports out there are about

you know the one the Real Conspriacy is about, the one who needed Drugs. Not the real

Michael Jackson that didnt do Drugs and was getting ready to be the best entainer of this

World History and buy Sony and get rid of every Evildoer that had ever stood in his way and

become a Movie Producer just think what his Movies would have been like.

 

[Courtney]

I've read the conspiracy stories and I brushed them off.
Murder.
That's what I believed the moment I heard the doctor was there with him.

 

[myfavouritewintercoat]

Yep I thought murder as soon as I heard about the bad CPR and delayed 911 call. I just hope somewhere along the line anyone involved in possible foul play has tripped up big time and it will come out in the open. I'm not holding my breath and sadly the media seem quick to write this off as Michael being a 'drug addict', he might have taken them but there seems to be much more going on with this than just that...

 

[Lily]

"Based on Dr. Murray's minute-by-minute and item-by-item description of Michael Jackson's last days, he should not be a target of criminal charges," Chernoff said Tuesday. "Dr. Murray was the last doctor standing when Michael Jackson died and it seems all the fury is directed toward him."

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/22/jackson.murray.search/index.html


Chernoff added, "We're confident whatever the doctor prescribed did not kill Michael Jackson."

"He has nothing to hide," Chernoff said of Murray. "The doctor will be proven to be innocent.

Chernoff has said the doctor "didn't prescribe or administer anything that should have killed Michael Jackson."


Does anyone else have any thoughts when these comments are said? Could this doctor just be in complete denial about his actions and is just a narcissistic cocky SOB that actually thinks he did no wrong? I wonder about these things said and the fact that he seems to be very cooperative and forthcoming with authorities, as well as the comment that the doctor has minute-by-minute and item-by-item records.....if that is true, was he covering his ass because he felt something suspicious was taking place, so he kept his own detailed documentation? I also continue to wonder WHO ELSE had been coming and going from the house that could be let in by security and not questioned as to why they were there or had their own accessibility, like keys/security codes and could enter the property at any time, including as people slept? Could someone have entered Michaels room when the doctor was asleep? Since supposedly security tapes are missing, do neighbors have security cameras focused on the streets surrounding their properties that could possibly catch what cars are driving through the neighborhood and at what times? Is Dr. Tohme Tohme really a medically trained clinician, just not a practicing one and if the reports are correct, why would he have alias'? Finally, when was Tohme fired? and if he was fired why was he still holding onto $5.5 million dollars of Michaels money, the items in storage and negotiating a real estate deal for a home in Las Vegas when he was no longer employed, only to have turned the money over AFTER Michael passed?


Just a few thoughts on my mind.....-_-

 

[Gaiaschild]

"Based on Dr. Murray's minute-by-minute and item-by-item description of Michael Jackson's last days, he should not be a target of criminal charges," Chernoff said Tuesday. "Dr. Murray was the last doctor standing when Michael Jackson died and it seems all the fury is directed toward him."

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/22/jackson.murray.search/index.html


Chernoff added, "We're confident whatever the doctor prescribed did not kill Michael Jackson."

"He has nothing to hide," Chernoff said of Murray. "The doctor will be proven to be innocent.

Chernoff has said the doctor "didn't prescribe or administer anything that should have killed Michael Jackson."


Does anyone else have any thoughts when these comments are said? Could this doctor just be in complete denial about his actions and is just a narcissistic cocky SOB that actually thinks he did no wrong? I wonder about these things said and the fact that he seems to be very cooperative and forthcoming with authorities, as well as the comment that the doctor has minute-by-minute and item-by-item records.....if that is true, was he covering his ass because he felt something suspicious was taking place, so he kept his own detailed documentation? I also continue to wonder WHO ELSE had been coming and going from the house that could be let in by security and not questioned as to why they were there or had their own accessibility, like keys/security codes and could enter the property at any time, including as people slept? Could someone have entered Michaels room when the doctor was asleep? Since supposedly security tapes are missing, do neighbors have security cameras focused on the streets surrounding their properties that could possibly catch what cars are driving through the neighborhood and at what times? Is Dr. Tohme Tohme really a medically trained clinician, just not a practicing one and if the reports are correct, why would he have alias'? Finally, when was Tohme fired? and if he was fired why was he still holding onto $5.5 million dollars of Michaels money, the items in storage and negotiating a real estate deal for a home in Las Vegas when he was no longer employed, only to have turned the money over AFTER Michael passed?


Just a few thoughts on my mind.....-_-

Dr Tohme seems suspicious, he is supposed to be qualified medically but not allowed to practice in US he is Lebanese and Michael met him in Bahrain. he is a business manager, I read he fired everyone is that true? and then all these people were hired that Michael had fired years earlier. Dileo and McClain. I didn't know he had been fired too. I'd like to know more.

Conrad Murray seems like the fall guy to me because if he planned to kill Michael it wasn't planned very well and it just seems... well..... a bit obvious. I don't think MJ fitted profile of drug addict just because he had a dependency in the past after the burns, I'm sure he would have been more cautious as an intelligent man. I think if he did use meds they were either switched for something lethal, or he was killed by someone else and conrad murray genuinely found him dead, and panicked from his behaviour, knowing he was going to get the blame.

 

[Lily]

So suspicious.........*sigh* -_-

 

[JesusLover05]

I simply believe this was a case of negligence by medical personnel - those who were supplying Michael with the pain pills and other medication despite his obvious addiction and the possible lethality effects of the drugs. I do not believe his death was a malice murder or intentional. I do hope the doctors involved are investigated and charged for their negligent actions and disregard for human life.

I just wish someone could have intervened and helped Michael - it was very obvious that he was an addict and needed help. It was the years of drug use that led to the death - I believe he was overly stressed about the concert and reclaiming his fame. So sad.

Hey, do you believe God intervenes? When nobody else in his life could do a successful intervention, do you feel the God intervened with His angels? I believe God did and wanted to deliver him and set him free from his bondage and the way He chose to do that deliverance was by taking him home to be with him. God does the best intervention than anybody else.

 

[meena76]

Murder. Be it accidental or intentional. Dr. Murray did not do what he was suppose to as a medical doctor who toke an oath to FIRST DO NO HARM. I really regret Michael felt he needed such a strong sedative, which should NEVER be administered out of an hospital environment. Dr. Murray agreed to it and should have took every percaution to ensure that nothing happend to Michael. How do you make an accident like this? So I am leaning towards intentional murder.

I love U 4-Ever Michael. You will alway be in my heart.

 

[meena76]

First of all... has anybody here ever had a drug/substance abuse problem? Anyone? Well... guess what... I have. And let me tell you, most of it came from stress, OCD, perfectionism, and the way I was treated by others. Pretty much what Michael was going through in his later years. Now I wasn't doing coke or smoking crack, or anything... but I was addicted to the same controlled substances as Michael was--Xanax, Valium, Ativan, etc, etc. I only realized I had a problem years later. I was in mental and physical pain at the time as well as anxious, overly stressed, and dancing my ASS off to pay off my debts, and those prescription medications helped numb everything I was going through. I can see exactly where Michael was coming from. Sadly, if I had his money, I probably would've looked for 'something more numbing' to help me get through each day. Even Michael's family, closest friends, staff members, and of course--the doctors knew Michael was 'weak' and was addicted to these medications.

I LOVE Michael dearly with all of my heart, but I can totally see where he was coming from. Add the crap I went through to Michael's daily life, fame, no privacy, dealing with the press, gossip, paparazzi, etc, etc, etc. TRUST ME-- a human-being can only take so much stress before they have a nervous breakdown, and then after that, it's nothing but an uphill battle, heh.

These are my thoughts because of my own related experiences, and I don't care what anybody thinks about them. Wave 150K in a doctor's face, and I'm sure you're going to get the medication that you need/want. I'm sure there are some doctors out there that would NOT have wanted to have anything to do with 'this business' ... but 'troubled' doctors. Um... yeah.

And once again... this is something I feel strongly about because I was an addict at one time MYSELF, and I still struggle with addiction (from time to time), depression, and other mood/mental disorders. Again as far as the conspiracies... yes, there could definitely be some and we may never know the whole truth. Ever. But my point is is that some fans need to accept the fact that even our idols aren't 100 percent perfect. They are human and make mistakes-- just like we do.

I agree, Michael was not perfect anyone who think he was (forgive me) are crazy. I have read up on Xantex which they say he was taking up to 40 a day. It is very addictive and you body becomes very immuned to it which causes you to up your dosage. It is said to be taken for depression, but many take for sleep disorders. As for as the pain issue, I believe Michael suffered from pain - from his lupus and after he got burnt (My poor baby, I really hate he had to go through that). Me I don't like taken a lot of medication that's why I pray I don't have to deal with sever pain. I have a very low tolerance for pain and if Michael is anything like me when it comes to pain he would take medication to numb it. So I don't not judge. I do believe that so call doctor was very incompentant and should pay for murdering him.

 

[andythemisfit]

Conspiracy theories do nothing for me except give me a blinding headache. -_-

 

[myfavouritewintercoat]

This is my take on things, only my opinion:

Yes he was on drugs but that isn't the full story BUT the story the media will focus on...

In reality the current wife of his brother Jermaine is the ex of Dr Tohme Tohme. This Tohme guy had a lot to do with the dealings of the concerts, he tried to make the auction go ahead but Michael managed to stop him last minute - giving the impression Michael did not want it to go ahead in the first place. Did he get Michael to sign things when Michael had just taken certain drugs....?

Also Tohme is friends with Colony Capital who own Neverland. Jermaine is the one who wants Michael laid to rest there. This would be more profit for the owners if opened to the public like Graceland. The owner of Colony Capital is also friends with the owner of... AEG: See this article from before Michael died... http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-michael-jackson31-2009may31,0,1441957.story?page=1

So that is why I think the Dr is a cover up, he was meant to let Michael die. It was murder. He will get the blame but he knows that he won't get long in jail and when he comes out he'll change his identity and live abroad off of money those behind all this have left him in a swiss bank a/c in his new name. The media won't chase him, heck they aren't that bothered about it all now compared to what you think they'd be. No they are just focusing on calling Michael an addict. He may have had problems with drugs, he may have taken different meds for his different ailments and then resorted back to desperate measures when suffering insomnia due to worry about the forthcoming 50 gigs. I'm in no way saying it was right for him to take such drugs at home, i'm just being understanding as to why he did and I blame the doctor who said yes, no matter what cash was being thrown at him from Michael or who were trying to control Michael.

So yes, I believe Michael was killed in my opinion by those at the top of AEG and Colony Capital - who will share the cash somehow from when Neverland opens. I also think Sony has a hand in it too as they were quick to spend $60m on the rehearsal footage and will now rake in a lot of money from the sales that have happened since his death. Yes I believe a lot of people are involved behind the scenes and sadly this will only become known in the next 20-40 years and be exposed on tv progs. I'm sure someone in the Police has been paid off, but maybe the saving grace is no one at the DEA have been so maybe that is where the plan might come apart at the seams. I still can't believe this is Michael we are talking about but I do want the 'real' truth to come out. Not just have the dr blamed but others involved to go down too.

That is just my opinion folks thats all.

 

[Gaiaschild]

I don't believe MJ was on 40 xanax, there is just no way he would have been able to perform at rehearsals with the precision he showed. There is not one single sign that Michael was a drug addict. He would have had co ordination problems and slurred speech or other symptoms if he had been on that amount.

I had a dependency in the past on prescription drugs nothing like the amount MJ is supposed to have taken, and I was a zombie and am still suffering effects years after coming off them as they do permanent damage.

 

[JesusLover05]

I just want to say a few things. In the case of Michael Jackson, any conspiracy could turn out to be true. Michael did use doubles and he used doubles for his music videos like "Remember The Time". With the fake death theory, wouldn't the family be able to recognize Michael Jackson's body and realize that the body was his? Also, will his children have been able to realize the body? If it was not Michael's body, why would Jermaine come out and announce that Michael had died? If it was not his body, Jermaine could have said right there at the conference that what was thought to have been Michael Jackson who possibly died of cardiac arrest is not him and turned out to be one of his doubles. I understand where there getting this theory from due to the facts of a 9-11 call that did not mention Michael Jackson's name and that the paremedics did not recognize him when they got at the house. I would think you would have been able to tell if you were working on Michael Jackson or not. I am not saying it is impossible to do but I just do not think Michael Jackson would fake his own death to hurt his family and fans unless he had a really good reason to do something like that. I do not want to say that this theory is not true because I can see a very huge star pull off something like that if he or she wanted to completely change his or her direction in his or her life completely.

With the PR stunt theory, I do not think so because you have to think that a lot of companies like SONY and AEG were after his potential to make money for them. And plus his companies might have started a conspiracy against him.

With the murder theory, I think it could very well be true because the doctor gave him the wrong drug in a home where it should have been used in a hospital setting. Now, when I had my wisdom teeth taken out, they put me on Diprivan with a person trained in anesthesia for dentistry.

Finally, with the fatality theory, that could be true because God could have said, "Hey, It is My time for you to come home with me, so I am letting you leave your body so you can be present with me in spirit for eternity in Heaven.

With all the conspiracy theories out there, I will say that there are things that do not add up in this death investigation because there is too much speculation and contradicting, conflicting reports about what happened to Michael Jackson. We do not even have proof whether Michael died at home or at the hospital. For all I know, MJ's doctor could be lying to the police officer and hiding evidence about what happened to Michael Jackson.

 

[myfavouritewintercoat]

We may never know the truth I know. I wonder with the money Michael owed people if he'd ever have had peace alive as he is worth more to all those people now dead He was only worth more alive to some family members, good friends and us the fans. I know Michael was very intelligent(check his Oxford speech) but... this Tohme guy... he was the one pushing for the auction to go ahead, Michael stopped it obviously never wanted that to happen... was it the same for the amount of 02 gigs?!

I've just walked my dogs and was thinking it through in my head away from the computer and my current conclusion is:My eye is on Dr Tohme Tohme and Jermaine and their links to Colony Capital who own Neverland who in turn are also friends with the owner of AEG. Especially as Jermaine is the one pushing the Neverland burial(in which case Neverland would 'profit' more if opened to the public) and his current wife is the ex of Tohme... This article talks of the link between Colony and AEG http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-michael-jackson31-2009may31,0,1441957.story?page=1 I feel Sony is involved somewhere... as they had that $60m ready so quick to pay for rehearsal footage and now they will benefit highly from his death in music sales. I just want to know of Sony may be connected to the rest mentioned above... Oh I wish this didn't exist to talk about and Michael was still here

As I said many times, we may never know the truth but... knowledge is power and so if we work out anymore bits to this that don't add up. I believe we should discuss it.

 

[Moth2aFlame]

I just want to say a few things. In the case of Michael Jackson, any conspiracy could turn out to be true. Michael did use doubles and he used doubles for his music videos like "Remember The Time". With the fake death theory, wouldn't the family be able to recognize Michael Jackson's body and realize that the body was his? Also, will his children have been able to realize the body? If it was not Michael's body, why would Jermaine come out and announce that Michael had died? If it was not his body, Jermaine could have said right there at the conference that what was thought to have been Michael Jackson who possibly died of cardiac arrest is not him and turned out to be one of his doubles. I understand where there getting this theory from due to the facts of a 9-11 call that did not mention Michael Jackson's name and that the paremedics did not recognize him when they got at the house. I would think you would have been able to tell if you were working on Michael Jackson or not. I am not saying it is impossible to do but I just do not think Michael Jackson would fake his own death to hurt his family and fans unless he had a really good reason to do something like that. I do not want to say that this theory is not true because I can see a very huge star pull off something like that if he or she wanted to completely change his or her direction in his or her life completely.

With the PR stunt theory, I do not think so because you have to think that a lot of companies like SONY and AEG were after his potential to make money for them. And plus his companies might have started a conspiracy against him.

With the murder theory, I think it could very well be true because the doctor gave him the wrong drug in a home where it should have been used in a hospital setting. Now, when I had my wisdom teeth taken out, they put me on Diprivan with a person trained in anesthesia for dentistry.

Finally, with the fatality theory, that could be true because God could have said, "Hey, It is My time for you to come home with me, so I am letting you leave your body so you can be present with me in spirit for eternity in Heaven.

With all the conspiracy theories out there, I will say that there are things that do not add up in this death investigation because there is too much speculation and contradicting, conflicting reports about what happened to Michael Jackson. We do not even have proof whether Michael died at home or at the hospital. For all I know, MJ's doctor could be lying to the police officer and hiding evidence about what happened to Michael Jackson.

I agree with Most of what you are saying and it makes total sense but not with the PR Stunt, Fake death I believe the only thing Fake is the Will, but I definantly believe Michael's companies started and carried out a Conspriacy Against him. The DEA have alot of information and they are seeking even more, they know a crime like Marcia Clark said has been committed. And to me Dr. Murray is the Key not only because he was there but the DEA are so passed that they want to know "why you where there and who kept you there" and Dr. Murray has all the Keys. Unlike Posters or Media choosing sides DEA looks at EVERYONE AS SUSPECTS until proven otherwise and thats the Job Oath they are Sworn to Uphold. Maybe this was just a little to cut and dry just to Perfect.

 

[myfavouritewintercoat]

I agree with Most of what you are saying and it makes total sense but not with the PR Stunt, Fake death I believe the only thing Fake is the Will, but I definantly believe Michael's companies started and carried out a Conspriacy Against him. The DEA have alot of information and they are seeking even more, they know a crime like Marcia Clark said has been committed. And to me Dr. Murray is the Key not only because he was there but the DEA are so passed that they want to know "why you where there and who kept you there" and Dr. Murray has all the Keys. Unlike Posters or Media choosing sides DEA looks at EVERYONE AS SUSPECTS until proven otherwise and thats the Job Oath they are Sworn to Uphold. Maybe this was just a little to cut and dry just to Perfect.

I pray the DEA don't let Michael down on this and get to the 'real' truth.

 

[resonnant]

"Based on Dr. Murray's minute-by-minute and item-by-item description of Michael Jackson's last days, he should not be a target of criminal charges," Chernoff said Tuesday. "Dr. Murray was the last doctor standing when Michael Jackson died and it seems all the fury is directed toward him."

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/22/jackson.murray.search/index.html


Chernoff added, "We're confident whatever the doctor prescribed did not kill Michael Jackson."

"He has nothing to hide," Chernoff said of Murray. "The doctor will be proven to be innocent.

Chernoff has said the doctor "didn't prescribe or administer anything that should have killed Michael Jackson."


Does anyone else have any thoughts when these comments are said? Could this doctor just be in complete denial about his actions and is just a narcissistic cocky SOB that actually thinks he did no wrong? I wonder about these things said and the fact that he seems to be very cooperative and forthcoming with authorities, as well as the comment that the doctor has minute-by-minute and item-by-item records.....if that is true, was he covering his ass because he felt something suspicious was taking place, so he kept his own detailed documentation? I also continue to wonder WHO ELSE had been coming and going from the house that could be let in by security and not questioned as to why they were there or had their own accessibility, like keys/security codes and could enter the property at any time, including as people slept? Could someone have entered Michaels room when the doctor was asleep? Since supposedly security tapes are missing, do neighbors have security cameras focused on the streets surrounding their properties that could possibly catch what cars are driving through the neighborhood and at what times? Is Dr. Tohme Tohme really a medically trained clinician, just not a practicing one and if the reports are correct, why would he have alias'? Finally, when was Tohme fired? and if he was fired why was he still holding onto $5.5 million dollars of Michaels money, the items in storage and negotiating a real estate deal for a home in Las Vegas when he was no longer employed, only to have turned the money over AFTER Michael passed?


Just a few thoughts on my mind.....-_-

See - that's just it. So MANY things don't add up and what you described is just a small part of it. Hence > conspiracy and murder.

There's a saying;
"William James (1842-1910) The father of modern Psychology "There's nothing so absurd that if you repeat it often enough, people will believe it."

or


"A lie told often enough becomes truth" Vladimir Lenin."

The Dr has had a lot of financial and other problems. Bad choice to hire a person with ZERO integrity - especially if they're all about money. He has no discipline and can't even handle his own finances. So the golden opportunity comes along. I think he was a plant - a pawn in an attempt to get revenge on Michael outsmarting a certain giant company and owning half of it. And I don't doubt that there were plenty of others in high places who also "wanted a piece of Michael and couldn't care less if he was dead".

There's something very real about "a gut feeling". I don't profess to have any special talents that would give me insight and there are plenty of other people on this board who believe the same thing. I don't believe we'll ever find out the entire truth because they people at the root of it are layers deep. Again, I believe Murray was a pawn but NOT an innocent pawn. $$$$ is a drug for some people and they'll do ANYTHING to get it.

End of rant.

 

[resonnant]

This is my take on things, only my opinion:

Yes he was on drugs but that isn't the full story BUT the story the media will focus on...

In reality the current wife of his brother Jermaine is the ex of Dr Tohme Tohme. This Tohme guy had a lot to do with the dealings of the concerts, he tried to make the auction go ahead but Michael managed to stop him last minute - giving the impression Michael did not want it to go ahead in the first place. Did he get Michael to sign things when Michael had just taken certain drugs....?

Also Tohme is friends with Colony Capital who own Neverland. Jermaine is the one who wants Michael laid to rest there. This would be more profit for the owners if opened to the public like Graceland. The owner of Colony Capital is also friends with the owner of... AEG: See this article from before Michael died... http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-michael-jackson31-2009may31,0,1441957.story?page=1

So that is why I think the Dr is a cover up, he was meant to let Michael die. It was murder. He will get the blame but he knows that he won't get long in jail and when he comes out he'll change his identity and live abroad off of money those behind all this have left him in a swiss bank a/c in his new name. The media won't chase him, heck they aren't that bothered about it all now compared to what you think they'd be. No they are just focusing on calling Michael an addict. He may have had problems with drugs, he may have taken different meds for his different ailments and then resorted back to desperate measures when suffering insomnia due to worry about the forthcoming 50 gigs. I'm in no way saying it was right for him to take such drugs at home, i'm just being understanding as to why he did and I blame the doctor who said yes, no matter what cash was being thrown at him from Michael or who were trying to control Michael.

So yes, I believe Michael was killed in my opinion by those at the top of AEG and Colony Capital - who will share the cash somehow from when Neverland opens. I also think Sony has a hand in it too as they were quick to spend $60m on the rehearsal footage and will now rake in a lot of money from the sales that have happened since his death. Yes I believe a lot of people are involved behind the scenes and sadly this will only become known in the next 20-40 years and be exposed on tv progs. I'm sure someone in the Police has been paid off, but maybe the saving grace is no one at the DEA have been so maybe that is where the plan might come apart at the seams. I still can't believe this is Michael we are talking about but I do want the 'real' truth to come out. Not just have the dr blamed but others involved to go down too.

That is just my opinion folks thats all.

Well, I'm with you and you just filled in a few blanks for me. If Murray is charged with manslaughter he'll only spend 4-5 years in jail. He's a puppet and others are pulling the strings. I believe he didn't actually have a choice in the matter and I believe he was being blackmailed - that's why he agreed to murder Michael and take the hit for it. So he fulfilled the well thought out plan to take Michael's life.

I hope they find the ba$tards who plotted this.

 

[Moth2aFlame]

I pray the DEA don't let Michael down on this and get to the 'real' truth.

I believe they will get it Right, this is HUGH, this will Knock people we once knew as Law Abiding Citizens, people way up the Celebrity List this will knock them off their high Pedastals from England to New York to California all the way down to Criminals. Alot of People are going to Loose alot in this Earth and their Souls.

See - that's just it. So MANY things don't add up and what you described is just a small part of it. Hence > conspiracy and murder.

There's a saying;
"William James (1842-1910) The father of modern Psychology "There's nothing so absurd that if you repeat it often enough, people will believe it."

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"A lie told often enough becomes truth" Vladimir Lenin."

Strange of you to post this, this is the one statement that everywhere I have been and I have covered this internet, this statement is everywhere and so True, because I believe "the Accidental Overdose is The Conspriacy" they want to tell everyone long enough to believe. They think people dont care enough to investigate wrongdoings and give up, but not this time. Because we all know no matter how Good how Long a Lie never becomes the Truth only in Fiction.

 

[Femkela]

I don't believe it was murder. I think it was someone's fault. Noone should have been so careless with those kind of anestethics Michael used to get to sleep (or so it's said in the media). If he really did use those, then I think it's very probable that it was just an accident. He was always kind of skinny, so the very strong medicine may have been too much for his heart. My grandmother also died because of a narcose (and she was not very old either). She was also very skinny and her heart just couldn't take the heavy medicine.

It's very easy to blame people for bad things that happen. I would advise you to not blame anyone untill proven guilty.

 

[resonnant]

We may never know the truth I know. I wonder with the money Michael owed people if he'd ever have had peace alive as he is worth more to all those people now dead He was only worth more alive to some family members, good friends and us the fans. I know Michael was very intelligent(check his Oxford speech) but... this Tohme guy... he was the one pushing for the auction to go ahead, Michael stopped it obviously never wanted that to happen... was it the same for the amount of 02 gigs?!

I've just walked my dogs and was thinking it through in my head away from the computer and my current conclusion is:My eye is on Dr Tohme Tohme and Jermaine and their links to Colony Capital who own Neverland who in turn are also friends with the owner of AEG. Especially as Jermaine is the one pushing the Neverland burial(in which case Neverland would 'profit' more if opened to the public) and his current wife is the ex of Tohme... This article talks of the link between Colony and AEG http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-michael-jackson31-2009may31,0,1441957.story?page=1 I feel Sony is involved somewhere... as they had that $60m ready so quick to pay for rehearsal footage and now they will benefit highly from his death in music sales. I just want to know of Sony may be connected to the rest mentioned above... Oh I wish this didn't exist to talk about and Michael was still here

As I said many times, we may never know the truth but... knowledge is power and so if we work out anymore bits to this that don't add up. I believe we should discuss it.

You just said something that I never mentioned "outloud" but kept it to myself. I'm proud of you for mentioning this, 'He was only worth more alive to some family members, good friends and us the fans.'

Family can get twisted angry at a family member (jealousy is a vicious green monster) and wish things that they may not really mean - but then when it happens it's too late. Or maybe they might not give a rats ass.

Michael did NOT die accidently or naturally. Foul Play is obvious. Since they're holding on to the TOX reports (you know they know what killed him) speculation abounds. AND how do we know if we'll be satisified with what they tells us when they finally publicly release the report? So far the news has been filled with lies.