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    Default Things That You Believe Weren't Necessary/Didn't Add Value to MJ's Performances

    Certain planned, staged things that took place while he was performing on stage did not add value to his performance.

    I am referring to any type of performance (tours, award performances, one-time performances, etc).

    For example:

    The staged, bug incident (that took place in many HIStory concerts, and not just in one) where Michael Jackson had to call one of his bodyguards in order to supposedly take it away but without killing it.

    Slash’s refusal to leave the stage but instead to keep playing his guitar until the ‘Billie Jean’ performance begins.

    Michael Jackson and his back up dancers jumping up and down and doing random meaningless moves for nearly two and a half minutes at the end of ‘Beat It’ (especially, during the HIStory Tour).

    His messianic way of performing ‘Earth Song’ in some cases where he was acting like Jesus (such as, at the Brit Awards in 1996).

    Singing (lip-syncing) his first lines from ‘You Are Not Alone’ almost always from backstage (HIStory Tour).

    Asking the audience if he can come down there during ‘She's Out Of My Life', when in fact he almost never came down there, but instead a female fan had to step onto the stage.

    Falling down on his knees (during ‘Man In The Mirror’), and one of the back up singers having to approach him and help him to stand up again (like, at the 1988 Grammy Awards Performance).

    Being dressed in that astronaut suit and being prepared for supposedly flying off the stage on a jetpack towards the end of 'Man In The Mirror' (Dangerous Tour).

    Discuss.

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    Default Re: Things that did not add value to his performance

    I couldn't disagree with you more!

    Half of the things you just mentioned are what makes a Michael Jackson show...a Michael Jackson show.

    For example:

    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post

    Being dressed in that astronaut suit and being prepared for supposedly flying off the stage on a jetpack towards the end of 'Man In The Mirror' (Dangerous Tour)
    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post
    Falling down on his knees (during ‘Man In The Mirror’), and one of the back up singers having to approach him and help him to stand up again (like, at the 1988 Grammy Awards Performance).
    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post
    Michael Jackson and his back up dancers jumping up and down and doing random meaningless moves for nearly two and a half minutes at the end of ‘Beat It’ (especially, during the HIStory Tour).
    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post
    Slash’s refusal to leave the stage but instead to keep playing his guitar until the ‘Billie Jean’ performance begins.
    Would you prefer going to a Michael Jackson concert and see him stand there for 2 hours doing nothing?

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    Default Re: Things that did not add value to his performance

    The bug thing was staged? Wow... Okay...

    And I agree about the messianic Earth Song.


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    Default Re: Things that did not add value to his performance

    Quote Originally Posted by dethorro View Post
    Would you prefer going to a Michael Jackson concert and see him stand there for 2 hours doing nothing?
    Well heck, the audience was cheering loud when Michael was just standing still (like on the Dangerous Tour before Jam), so...

    Lol, anyway, I gotta kind of disagree with mj_frenzy on the topic of this thread. Most of these acts, though some of them can be a tad bit overdone or unnecessary, actually do add to the entertainment factor of performances. I mean, is it nice to see Michael singing a ballad, with just him and a mic stand and his voice? Sure thing. But would it be cool to see Michael in an astronaut suit getting ready to fly on out of the venue, even though he actually did not? Sure thing. A lot of these acts help dramatize the show a little bit more, if that makes sense. Seeing Michael land on his knees after spins during Man In The Mirror just conveys to me the effort and emotion he puts in his performances. Heck, I cannot imagine any spins in Man In the Mirror where he does not fall on his knees afterwards. As the moonwalk is to his Billie Jean, falling on his knees after spinning just fits for Man In The Mirror, at least in my view.

    About that jumping around chaos in Beat It and Black Or White, it is just to get the audience riled up! I mean, maybe it does not fit in a concert like Johannesburg 1997, where he was just so out of it, but like in Copenhagen 1992, it's insane to watch! It emphasizes that upbeat and crazy tone of those two songs, and even I can feel the energetic atmosphere! Better to see Michael jumping up and down and really feeling the energy than him dancing without energy and holding his mic so frequently.

    That "Can I Come Down There?" part in SOOML? Just to excite the audience, I guess, especially the fangirls. Once again just adds to the show experience, just feeling that Michael will in fact step down from the stage and personally interact with the crowd, even though he won't.

    All in all, the majority of the "acts" you mention just add dramatic and an almost exciting effect to the show as a whole. I will agree, however, that the whole gimmick with Slash at the MTV VMAs and the MJ & Friends concerts was kind of unnecessary, but even then, it still kind of gave extra time for Michael to prepare for Billie Jean in the end.

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    Default Re: Things that did not add value to his performance

    Quote Originally Posted by M.J. Content View Post
    Well heck, the audience was cheering loud when Michael was just standing still (like on the Dangerous Tour before Jam), so...
    Lol...yeah your right!


    Quote Originally Posted by M.J. Content View Post
    Lol, anyway, I gotta kind of disagree with mj_frenzy on the topic of this thread. Most of these acts, though some of them can be a tad bit overdone or unnecessary, actually do add to the entertainment factor of performances. I mean, is it nice to see Michael singing a ballad, with just him and a mic stand and his voice? Sure thing. But would it be cool to see Michael in an astronaut suit getting ready to fly on out of the venue, even though he actually did not? Sure thing. A lot of these acts help dramatize the show a little bit more, if that makes sense. Seeing Michael land on his knees after spins during Man In The Mirror just conveys to me the effort and emotion he puts in his performances. Heck, I cannot imagine any spins in Man In the Mirror where he does not fall on his knees afterwards. As the moonwalk is to his Billie Jean, falling on his knees after spinning just fits for Man In The Mirror, at least in my view.

    About that jumping around chaos in Beat It and Black Or White, it is just to get the audience riled up! I mean, maybe it does not fit in a concert like Johannesburg 1997, where he was just so out of it, but like in Copenhagen 1992, it's insane to watch! It emphasizes that upbeat and crazy tone of those two songs, and even I can feel the energetic atmosphere! Better to see Michael jumping up and down and really feeling the energy than him dancing without energy and holding his mic so frequently.

    That "Can I Come Down There?" part in SOOML? Just to excite the audience, I guess, especially the fangirls. Once again just adds to the show experience, just feeling that Michael will in fact step down from the stage and personally interact with the crowd, even though he won't.

    All in all, the majority of the "acts" you mention just add dramatic and an almost exciting effect to the show as a whole. I will agree, however, that the whole gimmick with Slash at the MTV VMAs and the MJ & Friends concerts was kind of unnecessary, but even then, it still kind of gave extra time for Michael to prepare for Billie Jean in the end.
    You nailed it! I agree with you.

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    Default Re: Things that did not add value to his performance

    It was meant to be fun. hello entertainment people.



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    Default Re: Things that did not add value to his performance

    Not that it makes the show worse but the fact that people to this day think that MJ was actually fighting onstage with his brother Randy at the 30th anniversary concerts baffle me. It is clearly pretend.

    Another thing that bugs me is how people seem to think that MJ was annoyed that his duet partner sang his part in IJCSLY in Brunei. That was obviously planned, as he never sang that part. Also the people that say he cried at the end of the song because Brad messed up, when in actuality he always cried at the end of the song.

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    Default Re: Things that did not add value to his performance

    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post

    Falling down on his knees (during ‘Man In The Mirror’), and one of the back up singers having to approach him and help him to stand up again (like, at the 1988 Grammy Awards Performance).

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    I guess you've never seen a James Brown performance. Do you mean the actual spinning and falling down or the fact that Andre had to help him up ala james brown? To me, the spins in MITM is integral to the performances just like the moonwalk is to billie jean and you can tell by the audience reaction that they always go crazy on those parts during MITM.

    One thing i didn't like was the tank during Earth Song.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snek View Post
    Not that it makes the show worse but the fact that people to this day think that MJ was actually fighting onstage with his brother Randy at the 30th anniversary concerts baffle me. It is clearly pretend.

    Another thing that bugs me is how people seem to think that MJ was annoyed that his duet partner sang his part in IJCSLY in Brunei. That was obviously planned, as he never sang that part. Also the people that say he cried at the end of the song because Brad messed up, when in actuality he always cried at the end of the song.
    Hahahahahaha



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    Default Re: Things that did not add value to his performance

    If you see a concert just once it's ok but if you see 2 or 4 shows all those things get a bit irritating. There was never much room for spontaneity in MJ shows. But Earth Song is by far his most irritating live performance.
    In fact to me it got so boring that the only part I enjoyed during the HIStory tour is to see how the random fangirl that was invited on stage would react during YANA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themidwestcowboy View Post

    One thing i didn't like was the tank during Earth Song.
    I'll take the ''Tell me what about it'' adlibs over the tank every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post
    Falling down on his knees (during ‘Man In The Mirror’), and one of the back up singers having to approach him and help him to stand up again (like, at the 1988 Grammy Awards Performance).
    I love MITM performances. Michael was feeling it. it was suppose to be emotional. MAKE THAT CHANGE.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Snek View Post
    Not that it makes the show worse but the fact that people to this day think that MJ was actually fighting onstage with his brother Randy at the 30th anniversary concerts baffle me. It is clearly pretend.

    Another thing that bugs me is how people seem to think that MJ was annoyed that his duet partner sang his part in IJCSLY in Brunei. That was obviously planned, as he never sang that part. Also the people that say he cried at the end of the song because Brad messed up, when in actuality he always cried at the end of the song.
    There are people who think that Michael actually collapsed and had to be helped up during Man In The Mirror on the Dangerous Tour. Even though that was part of the act.

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    Default Re: Things that did not add value to his performance

    I never understood the Brad thing.

    The band were playing live so why would Brad stop the track? What has it got to do with him?

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    Default Re: Things that did not add value to his performance

    Quote Originally Posted by analogue View Post
    There are people who think that Michael actually collapsed and had to be helped up during Man In The Mirror on the Dangerous Tour. Even though that was part of the act.
    Probably the same people who believe MJ likened himself to Jesus in his Brits Award performance.

    Can’t be such a bad actor when people take his stage act for real.
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