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    Default Re: Lack of songs from the BAD album at the 1987 shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketeer View Post
    True, but it probably would have been too similar to the performance of Bad (same outfit, structure of the song, etc.). I can even see him do the same poses he does in Bad. Only addition would probably be to have a body double, like the ones on Thriller in Dangerous and HIStory Tour, dress up as Spike and "challenge" Michael to a dance off on stage at the end. I actually lowkey would want to see how that would play out on stage, despite how silly it may appear. Heck, they could even bring out a motorcycle on stage if they wanted to! But, for Michael's safety, maybe not really activate it?
    I would imagine Michael wearing a racer's outfit inspired by F1, as he is performing Speed Demon on stage. He is of coursed joined on the stage by Spike and they do a dance-off similar to one in the music video. Maybe, even a police man makes an appearance and tries to give Michael a ticket.

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    Default Re: Lack of songs from the BAD album at the 1987 shows

    Yeah, the "no choreography" excuse doesn't sit with me. Over the course of the tour we had:

    • Off the Wall
    • Heartbreak Hotel
    • Rock with You
    • Bad
    • Another Part of Me

    All rhythm/upbeat tracks with no choreography.

    I'd also throw in "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'," "Things I Do for You," "Lovely One," and "Shake Your Body" since they don't have choreography in the traditional sense; that could be categorized more like movements/beats.

    Honestly, I'd gladly sacrifice "Heartbreak Hotel" (as much as I love it) for "Speed Demon".

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    Initially, they (band, backup dancers and the backup singers) focused on rehearsing all the live versions of things that Michael Jackson did on the Victory tour, as Jennifer Batten explained.

    Michael Jackson saw video tapes of their rehearsals, and he liked what he saw.

    So, with time constraints, and with no urgent need at the time to rehearse new stuff from the ‘BAD’ album since he was satisfied with the rehearsals from those video tapes, Michael Jackson and his on stage team began the Bad Tour in 1987 with mostly familiar songs and dance choreographies.

    Also, Michael Jackson’s overall philosophy was that the audience should be already familiar with a song before coming to his concert to watch the song live, so for him a song had to be firstly released as a single and then be performed live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JichaelMackson View Post
    Not having choreo for it is just an excuse. He didn't have any for BOTDF or Another part of me either. He even didn't know what to do for Billie Jean in Motown 25.
    If you're such a natural dancer it doesn't matter if you have choreo or not.
    I'm sure Michael had some choreography for Billie Jean at Motown 25. He did rehearse it:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nite Line View Post
    Many feel that brothers were holding him back, which is a ridiculous thing to say.
    If we look at the songwriters on the Destiny and Triumph albums it is difficult to ignore the brothers' contribution entirely. Both albums are basically written solely by the group. While it seems that the main songwriters were Michael, Jackie and Randy...and given what Michael went on to do in terms of songwriting I am confident in assuming Michael was the main creative force...it would be remiss to ignore what the brothers brought to the table in this area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nite Line View Post
    What I find interesting is that Bad Tour started just a couple of weeks after the release of Bad. In contrast, Dangerous Tour started seven months after the release of Dangerous. History Tour didn't start until September 1996, which was like fifteen months after the release of History.

    Maybe, in his later tours, Michael wanted more time to rehearse the new songs, as the early start of the Bad Tour most likely prevented him from performing more Bad songs in 1987.
    More likely he had to be convinced to go on tour

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nite Line View Post
    Many feel that brothers were holding him back, which is a ridiculous thing to say.
    Yes and no.

    They piggy backed off Michael's success of OTW & Thriller and they and their father squeezed an album and tour out of him when they had no right to. Michael didn't even appear in videos for their singles from that album. He wanted away from them on an artistic level but, was made to feel emotionally guilty by his family and done the album and tour

    Sorry but, biggest pop star in the world, biggest selling album of all time, at the time, groundbreaking black artist, opening doors for everyone and he's touring with his brothers for their album? Ridiculous situation

    Not for a second am I casting doubt upon his brothers' contributions to his success or their performing and songwriting ability, I just find that situation ridiculous

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOR316 View Post
    Yes and no.

    They piggy backed off Michael's success of OTW & Thriller and they and their father squeezed an album and tour out of him when they had no right to. Michael didn't even appear in videos for their singles from that album. He wanted away from them on an artistic level but, was made to feel emotionally guilty by his family and done the album and tour

    Sorry but, biggest pop star in the world, biggest selling album of all time, at the time, groundbreaking black artist, opening doors for everyone and he's touring with his brothers for their album? Ridiculous situation

    Not for a second am I casting doubt upon his brothers' contributions to his success or their performing and songwriting ability, I just find that situation ridiculous
    Wasn't that part of MJ's contract? One group album in between his solo releases? Do you conisder the Destiny Tour piggy backing Off The Wall as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themidwestcowboy View Post
    Wasn't that part of MJ's contract? One group album in between his solo releases? Do you conisder the Destiny Tour piggy backing Off The Wall as well?
    I don't understand this piggy backing point. When the Jacksons were initially signed by Motown in the late 60s, they were signed as a group. Nobody envisaged Michael having the level of solo success that he did. But once Michael's solo career took off with Off The Wall, all of a sudden every album that he did with his brothers was MJ doing his poor "untalented" brothers a favour. Honestly, what a load of BS some Michael fans come out with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOR316 View Post
    Sorry but, biggest pop star in the world, biggest selling album of all time, at the time, groundbreaking black artist, opening doors for everyone and he's touring with his brothers for their album?
    What's wrong with that? Phil Collins was really successful as a solo act, yet continued to do records & tours with Genesis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuranDuran View Post
    What's wrong with that? Phil Collins was really successful as a solo act, yet continued to do records & tours with Genesis.
    I believe there is a difference between the Phil Collins/Genesis case and the Michael Jackson/The Jacksons case.

    Michael Jackson’s brothers were trying to take monetary advantage of him at every given opportunity.

    The Victory album is one example, the Victory Tour is another example, The Jacksons’ planned reunion concerts in Korea (in 1988) is just another example.

    His brothers also wanted to follow him during his BAD Tour and to perform with him on stage for The Jackson 5 Medley part.

    They were pressuring him for reunion concerts in the late 90s.

    They even were pressuring him for reunion concerts meant to take place after his ‘This Is It’ residence shows.

    On the other hand, Phil Collins as a successful solo artist rejoined the Genesis band (when the band reunited later) because he wanted to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzball View Post
    A live performance of Speed Demon would have been a disaster for Mike. Just imagine, "Spike" stealing the show.
    hahahaha that would of been interesting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketeer View Post
    This is why I have a love-hate relationship with the 87 leg of the Bad Tour. He sung live more, a lot more, and energy was great, but there were hardly any songs from the Bad album. It’s frustrating!
    Agreed.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Nite Line View Post
    I would imagine Michael wearing a racer's outfit inspired by F1, as he is performing Speed Demon on stage. He is of coursed joined on the stage by Spike and they do a dance-off similar to one in the music video. Maybe, even a police man makes an appearance and tries to give Michael a ticket.
    hahahaha i love your idea.



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    Default Re: Lack of songs from the BAD album at the 1987 shows

    the bad tour was the best tour in my opinion. i wish he dropped some songs and did only a few old songs on the tour then the other way around. Michael was very busy during 1986. so much was going on this year. i think if he had more time he could of added more new songs on the list and some ideas to put with the songs on stage.

    imagine a captain eo set up with another part of me on stage? that would of been awesome also the fact the ride was popular during the time. also a good BAD set up. him jumping on stage just like on the short film.

    Michael could of done so many things. ugh. i still love the bad tour but i really wish we could go back in time and made these things happen. we can only imagine now.



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    Default Re: Lack of songs from the BAD album at the 1987 shows

    eh... i really don't like Michael family much. he didn't like them much either expect Janet. Michael was force to do things he didn't want to do. and the fact he was a grown man. he was so happy at the end of the Victory tour saying this was their last tour. congrats he got the heck away.

    his brothers are okay with music. they not the best. they okay. Michael pretty much did everything and gave them ideas.

    his family mistreat him since he was a little boy.

    you can basically say the Victory tour was the "Thriller" tour.



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