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The Chef, Kai Chase's about the day Michael Died (Merged) (All discussion here, please)

bgz said:
Hmm, just like with so many other things, there's all sort of conflicting stories. I just watched Kai's interview and didn't hear her say a thing about Murray not going to the hospital. But she did say, and then repeated it again when questioned directly, that Prince never went upstairs. That the nanny, all three children, and she (the chef) all remained at the bottom of the stairs in the hall.

Just wondering where you saw or heard Kai say Murray did not go to the hospital?[/quote]

Naturally I can't find it. I'm still looking though. It was a video interview - different from the link posted here. I found it inadvertently and she said Murray didn't accompany Michael to the hospital. I'd never type that if I hadn't heard her say it. He's in deep enough crap without me acting like the media and adding a lie to it.
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whatever happened...it just seems like it could have been prevented. If michael died of natural causes...it wouldn't hurt that much, but the fact he died of some scumbag of a doctor or doctors...its just unfair!!!! but if the doctor gets let off...he'd be harassed for life.

off the topic...i'm really surprised no one has found the whereabouts of jordy chandler or gavin arvizo (two guys who actually are partly to blame for Michaels death IMO)
 
I think her showing the notes was sweet. It showed how thoughtful and delightful Michael's children are...which is a credit to him and his parenting, imo. He raised great kids. At the same time, I can see how some might think it inappropriate to share with the world if she didn't have the kids' permission.
 
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Those kids are really special to be all up into healthy food.lol. I hope they keep it up.

Who said a prescription was written in Kai's name? Who was the source? Let us also remember that this is a way to keep his medical issues private. The question is, did he have any medications in his own name? Perhaps very, very few.
 
LisaB said:
Those kids are really special to be all up into healthy food.lol. I hope they keep it up.

Who said a prescription was written in Kai's name? Who was the source? Let us also remember that this is a way to keep his medical issues private. The question is, did he have any medications in his own name? Perhaps very, very few.
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They showed the list on TV - a lot of different names that he supposedly used.
 
VanX said:
bluemoonchild - that is not a mistake. That is MALPRACTICE. There is no such thing as "oh, he fell asleep". Then he shouldn't be a frickin doctor!!! If he can't properly administer CPR, if he doesn't know what to do in an emergency situation (ie: call 911 ASAP) and if he cant stay awake long enough to administer something then he SHOULD NOT BE ON DUTY AS A DOCTOR. He failed to do his job. Nevermind the fact that he shouldn't have even been giving Michael something like Propofol, totally out of his field and NOT something he is trained to administer.
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WHY haven't they arrested him??? Gawd this is SO frustrating!!!

Tonight on Hollywood411: Robin (something or other) the Prosecutor in the case says they have a lot to go on to lock up Murray - the defense attorney (not sure I can use a word that I want to use to describe him - here) had a swiss cheese defense that "EVEN IF Murray gave Michael propofol, it doesn't mean that THAT was the drug that killed him - it could have been parts of the cocktail."
 
LisaB said:
She said Murray came down the stairs in the morning around 9-9:30. But he arrived overnight when she's leaving, after dinner etc.
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She said that in her AP interview....but since she's been on TV she's been saying he came down around 10am, maybe 10:30. 9am was when he arrived at the house. Either way, that puts him awake and at the scene at 9am which means he has 3 hours to account for that day before he called 911. He didn't come down at 9:30 nor 10:30, so where in samhell was he and what was he doing? oohh just had an idea. Maybe this is why his phone was confiscated? Wouldn't they be able to log who he called on that phone but also from where he made the call by using GPS tracking? :unsure: Any techies on here? I know I heard something about this somewhere...that a guy was caught being somewhere he wasn't supposed to be at due to his phone records and a GPS locator. hmmm
 
mello1 said:
Agreed. She's about the only person who has said anything that makes sense that I do believe.

So. Between April to early June, MJ went down. Now if the cook noticed that he was thinner and slower moving... then others had to know.

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And who was taking Michael's food to him? Murray was. What was he putting in the food?
 
mello1 said:
Agreed. She's about the only person who has said anything that makes sense that I do believe.

So. Between April to early June, MJ went down. Now if the cook noticed that he was thinner and slower moving... then others had to know.

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She said he went down after she was let go...in May. He was fine up until then. The last 3 weeks of May is when things went to hell. When she came back in early June she noticed he was thinner.
 
LisaB said:
True about the kids' gifts and such.

You know, I wonder about these people who hop from network to network peddling their story. Those I take what they say with a grain of salt.
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I understand your post completely. I just wish it was clear if she had permission or not to reveal the contents of Michael's under aged kids original writings on National TV.
 
Kai left at the end of May. She hadn't seen MJ in 3 weeks between then and June 2nd she says. I think in her first interview she said he looked ok. Now she is saying he looked thinner, was moving slower, and was out of it. I don't know if I believe her. I think she has changed her story a bit to suit the demands and get to showcase the importancfe of her presence in making him look fatter.. But i would like someone to ask her to explain what she means by he looked out of it.

Thanks resonant!
 
wendy2004 said:
She also said she never met Nurse Lee or knew Michael was consulting Lee about nutrition as well. However, Nurse Lee was on the scene from late January to April and Chase was there March-April and June. Unless Lee was only coming over on weekends when Chase didn't work, I think it's odd they never crossed paths at least once during March and April when they would have both been on the scene.

Also, Chase said Michael only complained about "they're killing me" on one particular day of rehearsal. It wasn't a constant complaint. (my note: Perhaps he was having a bad day as most ppl do and then get over it)

She showed the notes the kids wrote her. Really sweet notes.

The one thing that stuck out to me the most is that she says Michael and the kids requested her back after she was let go. SO, for those saying Michael wasn't in control of who he wanted to hire or have around him, that doesn't seem to be true. This woman was let go becuz of a salary issue. HOWEVER, Michael WANTED her back and he GOT her back. Imma take a wild guess and say whatever the salary issues were, they were suddenly met becuz Michael WANTED her there. And Imma take another leap and say if some folks were fired or dismissed by (insert any controlling entity here), and Michael did not make a request to correct the situation, he may have been satisfied with those persons being gone. Juuuust a guess. Sounds like Michael was still very much in control of who he wanted to hire and work for him. And this was as recent as June2 when Kai was brought back.
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Just a few comments on your observations. It's possible that the Lee timeline is a bit out of wack -- if there was any overlap, it might have been because Chase was being prepped to be brought aboard.

In terms of MJ's wanting. If Chase left because of salary issues -- maybe she wasn't getting paid? (Murray also said that he wasn't getting paid). I think it's clear that MJ wasn't being fed as well after she left and I think that he never wanted her to leave in the first place and they needed her to come back because he had dropped off. I shutter to think of the possiblity that he may be in London right now had she never left. Something WAY WRONG happened during that period that she wasn't there.

Her interview was very valuable.

Valuable in that it introduces another possibility to me. That during the time that Kai left and before she came back, MJ didn't eat very well, Murray was entrenched in the house (he started in May, I believe) and maybe he was fed a bunch of fukking pills instead of food.

He goes down the drain from April to late June? Murray probably was sedating him from May to his death. Ugh. This makes my heart hurt again...:no:
 
resonnant said:
And who was taking Michael's food to him? Murray was. What was he putting in the food?
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And there it is. I was hoping somebody else was thinking what I was thinking. You can add that to the list of possibilities. This is just a theory, but that man could have been lacing Mike's drink/food with anything. He's a doctor so he'd have access to all kinds of meds.

Mike's coming down to get his own food and everything's fine, he's happy, excited, energetic. Kai Chase leaves and comes back in June. By that time Mike has lost weight and appears lethargic at least some of the time. Murray is the one coming down to get the first thing he puts into his mouth each morning.
 
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Naad said:
The day of Mr. Jackson’s death, I didn’t see him. But his room was upstairs, so that wasn’t unusual. Dr. Conrad Murray had been coming over daily since I returned to the Jackson house in the beginning of June. He would normally arrive around 9 a.m. and leave shortly after lunch. I didn’t really know him well, but everyone in the house was friendly with each other, and he was no exception.





I'm confused...i thought Murray the Scumbag used to stay over night??
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It makes sense. He come at night to sedate MJ and then he brings him out in the am. Kai said that SHE would arrive around 8am, fix breakfast around 9am and Murray would come and get MJ's breakfast. Then MJ would eat lunch and dinner with the children.

I think I read that Murray would come around 9 PM and she wouldn't see him leave because she went home for the night.
 
mello1 said:
Just a few comments on your observations. It's possible that the Lee timeline is a bit out of wack -- if there was any overlap, it might have been because Chase was being prepped to be brought aboard.

In terms of MJ's wanting. If Chase left because of salary issues -- maybe she wasn't getting paid? (Murray also said that he wasn't getting paid). I think it's clear that MJ wasn't being fed as well after she left and I think that he never wanted her to leave in the first place and they needed her to come back because he had dropped off. I shutter to think of the possiblity that he may be in London right now had she never left. Something WAY WRONG happened during that period that she wasn't there.

Her interview was very valuable.

Valuable in that it introduces another possibility to me. That during the time that Kai left and before she came back, MJ didn't eat very well, Murray was entrenched in the house (he started in May, I believe) and maybe he was fed a bunch of fukking pills instead of food.

He goes down the drain from April to late June? Murray probably was sedating him from May to his death. Ugh. This makes my heart hurt again...:no:
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something tells me Dr Tohme Tohme has alot to answer for..............

who was doing the hiring and firing during this time in Mayand oking of salaries...

I forgot when Frank was rehired .,,, got to go back to his article....
 
Moddie777 said:
I saw the chef's interview on Larry King Live.

Authorities will want to key in on what she said about usually seeing Murray come down stairs at certain time of morning with 2 oxygen tanks and the morning of June 25th, that didn't happen. Of all she has said this will be key.

I also heard her when she said Prince stayed at bottom of stairs when he was called by Murray. She explained how she was not allowed to go upstairs in private area of house and maybe The Dr yelled for Prince because he could. She also said something about maybe the dr was in shock.

I enjoyed listening to her but I could tell, she was self promoting in the most dignified and suttled of ways; if that can be imagined. I won't hold that against her. I found it obvious.

One thing I found uncomfortable though, The beautiful colored private box from paris with the special and cute notes. I just hope, she had permission from the kids or their grandmother before showing the world. I thought that was too private, even though it was cute and very sweet of Michael's kids, not sure when they wrote it they had the idea in mind of it someday being shared with the world on national tv.

Can you imagine how many paps and tabloid journalist are gonna be after those hand written notes from Michael's kids now?

Sorry, i am a parent, speaking from that perspective.
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I didn't really think that she was promoting anything. It's possible that MJ really did encourage her to write a cookbook and ya know what? It would actually be something worth buying because it would be a service to others trying to eat a healthy diet.

As for her showing those things by the children, if MJ hadn't died, we would never have seen those things. Those things do belong to Kai and it's possible that she cleared that with the family.

I wouldn't read too much into that. Kai provided valuable timeline informaton and has also now given credibility to the story that MJ was not as well as others would have the world to believe.

And they had to know this.
 
mello1 said:
Just a few comments on your observations. It's possible that the Lee timeline is a bit out of wack -- if there was any overlap, it might have been because Chase was being prepped to be brought aboard.

In terms of MJ's wanting. If Chase left because of salary issues -- maybe she wasn't getting paid? (Murray also said that he wasn't getting paid). I think it's clear that MJ wasn't being fed as well after she left and I think that he never wanted her to leave in the first place and they needed her to come back because he had dropped off. I shutter to think of the possiblity that he may be in London right now had she never left. Something WAY WRONG happened during that period that she wasn't there.

Her interview was very valuable.

Valuable in that it introduces another possibility to me. That during the time that Kai left and before she came back, MJ didn't eat very well, Murray was entrenched in the house (he started in May, I believe) and maybe he was fed a bunch of fukking pills instead of food.

He goes down the drain from April to late June? Murray probably was sedating him from May to his death. Ugh. This makes my heart hurt again...:no:
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It wasn't April. It was only 3 weeks in May. That's less time than starting from April. Kai was there in April and early May. She was gone the last 3 weeks of May and returned on June 2. There are only 3 weeks in which Michael went down. And Kai said when she came back he was eating again. But as I mentioned in my other post, she packed his dinner for him to take to rehearsal. There's no guarantee he always ate it or ate all of it to fuel his dancing. So if he continued to lose weight after she returned, I'm not sure what to say to that. Miko and others said they saw Michael eating, so there's still a lot of perception issues to deal with. Nothing is clear cut and probably never will be with all the conflicting reports and information.
 
I wonder what happened in the period she was gone, it's likely they upped the rehearsal schedules in that time, since it was getting closer to the day. Kind of sounds like it was becoming too much of a stress and he started to eat less and having trouble sleeping.
 
wendy2004 said:
She said he went down after she was let go...in May. He was fine up until then. The last 3 weeks of May is when things went to hell. When she came back in early June she noticed he was thinner.
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Sry, I meant May. Not April. She was let go and here comes Dr. Murray....
 
Sifa_Dias said:
I wonder what happened in the period she was gone, it's likely they upped the rehearsal schedules in that time, since it was getting closer to the day. Kind of sounds like it was becoming too much of a stress and he started to eat less and having trouble sleeping.
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I posted this some pages back today so I'll repost:

wendy2004 said:
Thanks for the link! :flowers:


I agree. Things seemed to go bad during those weeks. If I remember correctly, a LOT was going on outside of rehearsals during those weeks as well. The AGE crap kicked up in those weeks and that big powow meeting at the Beverly Hills Hotel came up. A lot of drama was circling Michael around this timeframe as well. I think the situation with Raymone's lawsuit was coming to a head around this time, too. Those last weeks of May and maybe the first week of June was hectic. And it was at the end of May/June when MJ complained to fans, so.....the timing is about right. How could he be vibrant? Stress was everywhere and he didn't have a proper chef keeping him fed.

The thing is if the chef was getting him back in good health with his meals, and Kenny Ortega was at rehearsal cutting up his chicken, I just don't know how fans were claiming he was getting progressively WORSE 3 weeks later (fan email 4 days before his death). Everyone's perception seems to vary...those who saw him daily and spent hours with him and those who spent a few minutes with him from time to time. I.Just.Don't.Know. :worried:
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Angel said:
What stains? And either way, they could be from anything really. Doesn't prove anything.
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They were milky white, you're right they could have been anything but in hindsight, I'm thinking the stains might have been the Diprivan.

wendy2004 said:
She also said she never met Nurse Lee or knew Michael was consulting Lee about nutrition as well. However, Nurse Lee was on the scene from late January to April and Chase was there March-April and June. Unless Lee was only coming over on weekends when Chase didn't work, I think it's odd they never crossed paths at least once during March and April when they would have both been on the scene.
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That's why I was wondering if she prepared his meals according to Nurse Lee's diet or not. Other than her (Nurse Lee) account, she was never mentioned by anyone saying MJ went to her office or she went to MJ's house.

whisper said:
And there it is. I was hoping somebody else was thinking what I was thinking. You can add that to the list of possibilities. This is just a theory, but that man could have been lacing Mike's drink/food with anything. He's a doctor so he'd have access to all kinds of meds.

Mike's coming down to get his own food and everything's fine, he's happy, excited, energetic. Kai Chase leaves and comes back in June. By that time Mike has lost weight and appears lethargic at least some of the time. Murray is the one coming down to get the first thing he puts into his mouth each morning.
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Maybe it wasn't a salary issue, they just made that up to let her go. He goes downhill after she leaves. :(
 
wendy2004 said:
I posted this some pages back today so I'll repost:
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Thanks. I do tend to take a cue from Kai more so than some fans. She's had more interaction and time with thim, so I think her view on how things were different and how is more accurate, but that's just me.

I've never understood why they allowed so little time for rehearsals, no wonder they had to step it up and have grueling schedules.
 
LisaB said:
Kai left at the end of May. She hadn't seen MJ in 3 weeks between then and June 2nd she says. I think in her first interview she said he looked ok. Now she is saying he looked thinner, was moving slower, and was out of it. I don't know if I believe her. I think she has changed her story a bit to suit the demands and get to showcase the importancfe of her presence in making him look fatter.. But i would like someone to ask her to explain what she means by he looked out of it.

Thanks resonant!
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Hired in March, let go in May, returned June 2nd. Approximately May 11th - June 2nd Kai was off the scene.

Murray said that he wasn't paid for 2 months of work (hadn't been paid yet); that would place his start around early May or so...

If MJ was in full out rehearsals, then who was feeding him for those 3 weeks?

And I've read the articles and saw her interviews and she has been consistant with her story.

The point here is that we continue to have conflicting information about MJ's physical condition leading up to his death.
 
mello1 said:
The point here is that we continue to have conflicting information about MJ's physical condition leading up to his death.
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Group them up, the ones that say one thing vs the ones that say the opposite. See what they have in common with each other within the group.
 
Rasta Pasta said:
something tells me Dr Tohme Tohme has alot to answer for..............

who was doing the hiring and firing during this time in Mayand oking of salaries...

I forgot when Frank was rehired .,,, got to go back to his article....
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I thought Tohme was let go after that whole Auction mess.... that would have been ...

... in April. or was it May? Who let go of Kai or who was responsible for the salary negotiations breaking down?

WHO REALLY GOT DR. MURRAY?

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
 
wendy2004 said:
I posted this some pages back today so I'll repost:
The thing is if the chef was getting him back in good health with his meals, and Kenny Ortega was at rehearsal cutting up his chicken, I just don't know how fans were claiming he was getting progressively WORSE 3 weeks later (fan email 4 days before his death). Everyone's perception seems to vary...those who saw him daily and spent hours with him and those who spent a few minutes with him from time to time. I.Just.Don't.Know.
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If I recall correctly, she was asked about the last time she saw MJ alive and it was the day before at lunch? I think and she said that he seem a bit 'out of it' -- her words. And this would be consistent with the fan's impressions.
 
mera said:
They were milky white, you're right they could have been anything but in hindsight, I'm thinking the stains might have been the Diprivan.



That's why I was wondering if she prepared his meals according to Nurse Lee's diet or not. Other than her (Nurse Lee) account, she was never mentioned by anyone saying MJ went to her office or she went to MJ's house.



Maybe it wasn't a salary issue, they just made that up to let her go. He goes downhill after she leaves. :(
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There was an interview I saw on another board (didn't find it on here after a search just now) where she said she always went to MJ's house. I will go hunt it down and post it. She mentioned being asked to stay for dinner a couple of times by Prince and how the kids bought her a birthday gift (a laptop). brb

mello1 said:
Hired in March, let go in May, returned June 2nd. Approximately May 11th - June 2nd Kai was off the scene.

Murray said that he wasn't paid for 2 months of work (hadn't been paid yet); that would place his start around early May or so...

If MJ was in full out rehearsals, then who was feeding him for those 3 weeks?

And I've read the articles and saw her interviews and she has been consistant with her story.

The point here is that we continue to have conflicting information about MJ's physical condition leading up to his death.
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That's a good question. I wonder if this is when that other chef, Doug Jones, came on the scene. I've been trying to find an article stating when he worked for Michael and can't find anything. All they say is that it was shortly before MJ died...so I'm thinking it had to be in that 3-week gap...but who knows? Maybe someone else will have better luck confirming this.
 
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