Nurse Cherilyn Lee Is a Liar and Possible Supporter of Dr. Murder Murray

Lester said MJ was afraid of needles too. I'm not surprised at that. I don't like them meself and I consider me to a tough cookie. Lol. Addiction, let's not throw that word around carelessly. Mj was dependent on those painkillers while undergoing the whole process of scalp reconstructive surgery. He was dependent that is different from addiction. And he had all right to be dependent. Being a health nut for so long it was nothng more than MJ trying to wean himself off so he got help which is commendable.
 
I heard that murray had indeed spoken of the propofol within the first three days. And at that point where she spoke of propofol to the world it wouldn't have been found (it has a half-life of maximum 24 hrs and that's most likely at continuous infusion for days). It still doesn't point to foul play. (I have no idea how a coroner rules out foul play since there are so many ways to hurt someone surreptiously). And the cops searched the house before the propofol story too. I think. Now if murray gave propofol and never admitted it then that's a whole nother trouble for him
 
Why would someone feeling they are in a physiological crises, (hot/cold on either side) and someone who chose to call her because he trusts her to help for whatever reason that he chose her, when that nurse did help him by telling him it sounds like its related to nervous system, brain, cardiovascular and that he should go to the hospital, why would he not do it, or at least follow up this very critical matter right away. She basically told him she has no idea what the problem was but whatever it was could be serious.

Why would he not go to the hospital? I gave a possibility for this in another post in this thread. sigh
The thing is you can't force someone to go if they don't want to and who's to say he wanted to go and was talked out of it by someone else. There's no way anyone can have the answer to that...except for maybe the guard who made the call that day. It would be interesting to hear his version of events about that Sunday.

I feel that one reason its hard to wade through all this is because inside most fiction is an element of truth. We're just trying to distinguish what from what.

I respect this, but I think ppl do themselves an injustice when they don't at least familiarize themselves with the issue or person they are criticizing or calling a liar. How can ppl say this woman was a liar when everyone had questions...questions that already had answers...if only they had explored the information. I really didn't want to come into this thread as I'm avoiding others as well becuz the misinformation or lack of information (at the least the information we do have) is disheartening. It's like people simply want to make accusations without researching and finding out the answers to all these questions they feel need to be answered. Granted some questions just can't be answered and won't be for now. But there are some answers out there. I can respect someone who says I know this subject backwards and forwards but I still don't trust it over someone who doesn't know basic info but tries to make out that they are some kind of expert on the subject.

It's okay to have a hunch or a gutt feeling about something. I have that, too. But to rely solely on that and dismiss information without reading it or giving it any thought can be detrimental. What if that hunch you have is wrong? Can you be open to information that goes against what your gutt tells you. Sometimes it's subjective. Gutts and hunches can be right on the money, other times they can be way off base. I don't think anyone on here has never been wrong about something, myself included.

As for MJ being afraid of needles, Mark Lester said the same thing and that that is why MJ would always refuse accupuncture. I found that hard to believe because MJ is, as Vic said, not that kind of fraidy cat - look what he put himself through just to make a short film - he's not afraid of some kind of plastic prosthesus being popped into his eyes to create himself into a monstor but he's too afraid of needles to get once and for all possible cure for what ails him.

Plus though, another thing that doesn't add up is, if he is so "afraid of needles" how can he be this person who wants one stuck in him every night before he goes to bed. Those two things contradict eachother.

Again, the whole fraidy cat thing is a matter of your personal assesment. Lot of ppl are afraid of needles but get on with it becuz they have no other choice. It's not like the doctor can squeeze the blood out thru your mouth like an orange. lol Btw...Michael said in Moonwalk that he HATED those contacts in his eyes becuz they burned...but he did it anyway becuz he was passionate about being transformed into the werewolf. See?

Also, over time, finding veins to use to stick IV needles in can become a huge problem due to soreness from repeated use, finding other veins to use - remember - he supposedly used the stuff on a regular -

We have no facts to support just how regular this was at this point. Had it been from May to June or just a week or what?

I agree with Vic that its possible that the Propofol angel was chosen because the implications are far less severe than if it was narcotics which would get Murray in a lot more trouble than he (literally) "bargained" for. I feel he did whatever he did to get himself out of some severely hot water financially. Remember when this was first in the news, it was "reported" that Dr. Murray had not yet been paid?

The problem is this, if none of the meds found in MJ's system or home were prescribed by Murray, it doesn't effect him at all. It will affect the other doctors whose names are on the prescriptions. We don't know that information right now. Seems all Murray is copping to right now is sedatives and propofol. So a stomach full of drugs he didn't prescribe would not hurt him. Propofol, however, can if he administered it recklessly.


Whatever is going on all I can say right now is, Lord help, this is crazy.

This, I can agree with.
 
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I heard that murray had indeed spoken of the propofol within the first three days. And at that point where she spoke of propofol to the world it wouldn't have been found (it has a half-life of maximum 24 hrs and that's most likely at continuous infusion for days). It still doesn't point to foul play. (I have no idea how a coroner rules out foul play since there are so many ways to hurt someone surreptiously). And the cops searched the house before the propofol story too. I think. Now if murray gave propofol and never admitted it then that's a whole nother trouble for him

Does anyone recall the exact dates when the nurse first went on tv, and when it was said that Murray told the police he'd given Michael Propofol?


edited. n/m. Too digressive.

At first the LAPD didn't suspect "foul play." But then they couldn't ignore it when the Propofol was mentioned. I'm still not clear on the dates Propofol was first mentioned.

I trust NOTHING found or not found at the house, because there it was not considered to be a crime-scene, and many people had access in the days following Michael's death. There is such a thing called a "chain-of-evidence," and I doubt that anything found by police would be admissable in court, since there was so much access by so many people, for quite awhile. So in that instance, the most reliable testimony would be by the paramedics who were first on the scene. And we have had conflicting reports. Did Michael or did he not have an IV in his arm when paramedics got there? Was there any other equipment the paramedics observed? And so on.

The lack of information is just maddening.
 
Wendy, I think the mindset of a person going in, has a lot to do with how we process information, eg., rightfully suspiciouis of the media, the powers that be around Michael etc., as well as how information is presented having a bearing on it also.

I respect your fairness, and your willingness to add these things up so they align which is all I've ever wanted. I can't say it is all aligning for me, but it is helpful to have the data input rather than just emotional or unreasoned acceptance of what the media says.

If there were all these IV poles, bags, etc. when the EMT's arrived, apparatus around the bed for administering Propofol, why, when the EMTs felt free to comment on MJ seeming to be "already dead" did they not also mention this virtual hospitol? I know its something no one can know, it just seems to me they would have. If not them, then certainly the police's preliminary investigation that told them "there are no red flags". I feel most people are at least asking legitimate questions. When the answers come they come, but I do not feel most of the questions are selacious.
 
SoS, I agree with you, but it's just frustrating sometimes to see ppl running off with theories based on erroneous info or when you can tell they are missing info or purposely ignoring info.

If there were all these IV poles, bags, etc. when the EMT's arrived, apparatus around the bed for administering Propofol, why, when the EMTs felt free to comment on MJ seeming to be "already dead" did they not also mention this virtual hospitol? I know its something no one can know, it just seems to me they would have. If not them, then certainly the police's preliminary investigation that told them "there are no red flags". I feel most people are at least asking legitimate questions. When the answers come they come, but I do not feel most of the questions are selacious

Latoya was the first person to confirm the tanks and i.v. pole in the room. There had been rumors days after the death but she was the first to confirm as she went back to the room after leaving the hospital. And then weeks later a "leaked" paramedic report did mention it. As for the police not thinking anything of it? It was supposed to be the "doctor's room" as everyone initially thought it to be. I would guess no one thought it would be unusual for a doctor to have that kind of equipment in his room and needed no mention. Who knows?
 
That's another thing I find odd: Michael's scared of needles and yet he wants an IV in his arm?

Once again.... lots of ppl hate needles but have to put up with I.V. for procedures. He hated the contacts shooting Thriller film but he suffered in them anyway. sigh Besides, once the propofol hit his veins he was out. And then you have lidocaine which is to be put on the spot before the I.V. is put into the vein to lessen or take away the pain. This is done becuz propfol burns when it first goes in. There was an early rumor that lidocaine was found in the room but this has yet to be confirmed.
 
Actually lidocaine is injected through the iv line before the propofol goes in not before the iv line goes. I have to reread Latoyas interview because sometimes I get the distinct feeling that she regurgitates info so I am not sure if she said what she heard regarding o2 tanks and iv poles or she saw them with her own two eyes. If mj felt a great need for sleep no fear of iv needles would stop him (it wouldn't stop me either).
 
I agree with Wendy2004 that this thread should say 'Nurse is possibly a liar because.../she 'may' be a liar' instead of 'is a liar' - but at the same time I think the OP could be pointing out interesting parts what has been reported/the nurse's answers to questions.

I also agree about how you can be scared of needles but that doesn't mean you won't ever use them. I also don't take all Lester says as fact, especially now...

There is so much to weigh up, it can make your head feel so full of information(be it true or false, some we will never be sure on) I do think talking it all through is necessary to do though as he said a few times about conspiracy against him. 'If' this was foul play, we owe it to him to try and work out any oddities we are suspect of. That is what this forum is for after all.
 
She came on the scene after they searched that house and when she stated about that Diprovan,The Po-po went back in that house.To me it was planted to lie about what Michael needed even when the other doctors said that Michael needed that stuff while he was on tour. HMMMAUGH. She is an opportunist just like the rest of them coming out of the woodwork. Why did she wait until after the fact ? Whoever said that Michael could use that stuff was really planted out to have him killed.There were sleeping aids to use but to tell Michael who was addicted to painkillers that he can use this strong stuff that if not monitored correctly could kill him was really sick and they need to be saught, caught and put in jail. Doctor's ethics was thrown out the window because of greed and jealousy. Now the poor man is gone and there will be no peace without Justice for Michael until they are all put in the slammer.
 
understanding the difference between coroner and pathologist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forensic_pathology

"The vast majority of coroners lack a Doctor of Medicine degree and the amount of medical training that they have received is highly variable, depending on their profession (e.g. law enforcement, judges, funeral directors, firefighters, nurses)."

A pathologist-

"In the United States of America (US), forensic pathologists typically complete at least one year of additional training (a fellowship) after completing an anatomical pathology residency and having passed the "board" examination administered by The American Board of Pathology ("board-certified"). Becoming an anatomical pathologist in the US requires completing a three to five year residency in anatomical pathology, which is something one does on completing medical school. Anatomic pathology (as it is called) by itself is a three-year residency. Most US pathologists complete a combined residency in both anatomic and clinical pathology, which requires a total of four years."
 
i don't think it's random that she came out. i think it's odd that she did and it turns out that's what the lapd is focusing their case on. they MUSThave had a reason per the tox report that leaked out. everything is on hold until it's all resolvd and they're ready to start arresting.

i don't see hermotive for lying. NOW the woman who claims mj wanted her to score drugs. she seems like a media seeker like she likes the limelight. she's being driven by a limo etc...seh seems like she's making it up.

but lee? i see no excitement on her part in being on tv.

not like klien is
 
I read some back-dated articles and saw that according to the info out there, Murray did tell the LAPD about propofol within 3 days after MJ left and they searched again on Monday. I don't remember when Lee came out with her claims.
 
^^ We heard propofol about a week or two from Lee, so if Murray already said this to police allegedly then the timeline is again screwed up.
 
I read some back-dated articles and saw that according to the info out there, Murray did tell the LAPD about propofol within 3 days after MJ left and they searched again on Monday. I don't remember when Lee came out with her claims.

June 30th
 
What if the doctor by his side is a panicking idiot who knew even LESS than this nurse? Michael knew she had a PDR that would explain things to her. Unfortunately for him she was out of town and doubtfully didn't have it with her in the emergency room. If it were diprivan that was causing this, Murray surely couldn't be calling anyone asking about it without raising suspicion. And remember he wasn't allegedly licensed to give Michael anything more than cough syrup, if even that, in the State of California.
nag I seriously doubt that michael would continue allowing murry to pump him fulla dip, if murry was panicking. :mello:

If there were all these IV poles, bags, etc. when the EMT's arrived, apparatus around the bed for administering Propofol, why, when the EMTs felt free to comment on MJ seeming to be "already dead" did they not also mention this virtual hospitol? I know its something no one can know, it just seems to me they would have. If not them, then certainly the police's preliminary investigation that told them "there are no red flags". I feel most people are at least asking legitimate questions. When the answers come they come, but I do not feel most of the questions are selacious.
To be honest I think the reason murry didn't get michael breakfast that morning was because he was cleaning up the crime scene. Now if what toya said is correct and there were tanks and IV poles left there, maybe he felt he could explain those items or maybe he didn't have enough time to get rid of them.
 
I still don't know the motives of Nurse Cherylin going to the media..well she did get paid.
What happens to confidentiality in the Medical field? She should not be trusted with information..
 
Ever since this lady mentioned drawing Michael's blood, I've been wondering why she was drawing Michael's blood at his house.

For all we know, she could have been the one to give him something. In order to draw his blood, she herself would have to stick a needle into his vein.

If she was so concerned about his safety and his health, why couldn't she allow him to go to a hospital to have his blood test done?

Also, WHERE is the blood sample that she took from him? WHERE did she take it to get the result that she was looking for? Did she ever mention that while she was network hoppin'?

And, this thing that she's been saying about watching Michael sleep is strange as well.

Has Michael's security personnel ever seen this person at the house before? Who let her into the house so that she could watch Michael sleep?

What if they do not remember seeing her making a late night visit? If they do not remember seeing her, then she was sneaking around.
 
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Hi LisaB - Basically Propofol is a hypnotic, which is a drug designed to induce sleep. I have never used it as a pure sedative - it would need to be continuously added as it only lasts for a very short time. It is removed by the body quite quickly. Any anaesthetic will depress your breathing, therefore you should always intubate the patient and administer oxygen. I would imagine that if MJ was using it to sleep for long periods of time it would have to be slowly added, probably via a drip. This is extremely dangerous if not monitored correctly.

I feel so confused about all the different speculations about this - aaarrrggghhhhh my head hurts!! I have also just seen that the burial may now be delayed - i really hope not, as he really needs to rest in peace now :-(
 
Ever since this lady mentioned drawing Michael's blood, I've been wondering why she was drawing Michael's blood at his house.

For all we know, she could have been the one to give him something. In order to draw his blood, she herself would have to stick a needle into his vein.

If she was so concerned about his safety and his health, why couldn't she allow him to go to a hospital to have his blood test done?

Also, WHERE is the blood sample that she took from him? WHERE did she take it to get the result that she was looking for? Did she ever mention that while she was network hoppin'?

And, this thing that she's been saying about watching Michael sleep is strange as well.

Has Michael's security personnel ever seen this person at the house before? Who let her into the house so that she could watch Michael sleep?

What if they do not remember seeing her making a late night visit? If they do not remember seeing her, then she was sneaking around.

It's not uncommon for celebrities to have doctors and other medical professionals come to their homes. That prevents the chaos of being followed by paparazzi. Some doctors are what are called "concierge doctors," which means they treat the very rich, often at their homes. So the fact she was at Michael's home was not, in itself, unusual.

Drawing blood is a very simple procedure. It's done, of course, with an EMPTY syringe so there is no chance to put anything IN to a vein. I don't recall her saying where she sent the blood for testing, i.e. which lab. Would be interesting to know, though, what the results were -- i.e. were there drugs found. Or, maybe that wasn't tested?

I doubt she was "sneaking around." The security staff would have to admit her, and would know she was expected to be there.

"Watching Michael sleep" also doesn't seem unusual to me. That's what happens at "sleep clinics," when medical professionals are trying to find out what causes a person's insomnia.

With all that said, I still think that there are too many inconsistencies for us to leave this topic alone, yet.
 
Ever since this lady mentioned drawing Michael's blood, I've been wondering why she was drawing Michael's blood at his house.

If you wonder why she's drawing blood at MJ's house, you have to wonder why she was called out to treat his children in his house..and he would allow it. You realize doctors do make housecalls...especially for celebrities. It's not only for convenience but for their privacy. Her drawing blood from Michael at his home isn't necessarily anything out of the ordinary, imo.

For all we know, she could have been the one to give him something. In order to draw his blood, she herself would have to stick a needle into his vein.

Well, if she intraveneously gave him something that would have caused him harm it would have happened in April when she last saw him?

If she was so concerned about his safety and his health, why couldn't she allow him to go to a hospital to have his blood test done?

She never said she was concerned for his safety or his health when she was treating him for nutritional issues...early February thru April. And it was Michael who brought up the subject of her possibly helping him with getting more energy. There was no mentioning of anything else that would concern her. She ran her tests and found nothing alarming in the results to suggest Michael was "unsafe" or somehow deathly unhealthy. Did you watch any of the footage AllForMJ?

Also, WHERE is the blood sample that she took from him? WHERE did she take it to get the result that she was looking for? Did she ever mention that while she was network hoppin'?

Where else does one take a blood sample? It goes to a lab. The lab sends back the results which are probably in her files...which were turned over to the police. So they should know what lab was used if the nurse didn not have an onsite lab at her office.

And, this thing that she's been saying about watching Michael sleep is strange as well.

Strange in what way? Again, have you read the interviews and watched the footage. She simply went into the man's room and gave her assessment on how he could better create an environment conducive to getting better sleep. They tried out a holistic remedy on him and she was to stay in the room to see how long he would sleep afterwards. So again, I ask how is this strange?

Has Michael's security personnel ever seen this person at the house before? Who let her into the house so that she could watch Michael sleep?

Well the guards would probably know better than anyone. And Michael's children would probably be her best witnesses as to whether or not she was in their home and how often. Would you disbelieve Michael's children if they confirmed her presence and purpose in their home?

What if they do not remember seeing her making a late night visit? If they do not remember seeing her, then she was sneaking around.

Sneaking around how? You think she came into the house without security's knowledge and did what? Or do you think she was let into the house during the day and hid somewhere inside the house til it got dark?. If she drove there, do you honestly believe security would not gather that the sight of her car would suggest she might still be in there...with Michael's permission? Or do you think Michael's security was crappy enuf to let ppl into the home and not keep track if whether those ppl actually left the property? These are just questions...btw.
 
nag I seriously doubt that michael would continue allowing murry to pump him fulla dip, if murry was panicking. :mello:


To be honest I think the reason murry didn't get michael breakfast that morning was because he was cleaning up the crime scene. Now if what toya said is correct and there were tanks and IV poles left there, maybe he felt he could explain those items or maybe he didn't have enough time to get rid of them.

This is what I believe as well. I guess the phone records would give us a better idea of how early he was awake and making calls. If he was awake and making calls he could have gone down and gotten Michael's breakfast, too. Something was going on in that room if he wasn't sleeping.
 
^ it looks that way at this time. Something I just want to pull out of my gut real quick though. There's something about this doctor's general sense of earnestness (I know that's debatable to many and I'm not referring to his youtube speech, more to the interviews I saw with the patients in his dad's home town, and an interviewer who spoke about him coming across warm, engaging and sincere etc.) which makes me feel that no matter what proximate role this man played, that this whole story the world is focusing on is hiding a much bigger picture that we can't see. I feel "they" have given us Dr. Murray because we can see him.

One thing ill minded people with shiploads of money, power and motive can be good at is peeping the weaknesses in those they can use as pawns. This is the feeling i'm getting from Dr. Murray, Cherilynn and the Chef, Kai Chase.

Sticking to topic though, the main thing suspicious about the nurse for me right now is her introduction of Propofol.

That's all it took for the police to suddenly go back and "find it", for the press to create entire segments and hypothetical scenarios demonstrating Propofol, for umpteen doctors to be interviewed about Propofol all over the airwaves, hence for the world to have its mind made up that it was a factor in MJ's leaving.

I can't help but to feel (right now) that there is intentional distraction going on. Who would want to intentionally distract the world to believing something?

The same power/greed/hungry character types who conspired to mislead the world about MJ over the last couple decades and for the same purpose, abuse of power, greed and theft of MJ's strongest asset/s.

What are the mechanics/details/precise motives, unknown - because the world is looking at the distraction rather than looking past it and digging deeper.

She doesn't seem like the kind of person to get on TV to randomly lie, and seems to be truthful the way she comes across. For that matter though, so did his personal chef, at first, but closer scrutiny of her tells me another story but that's another thread for another day, although I will offer an example of her stating that they were all standing in a circle crying their eyes out because they didn't know what was going on. I don't believe that if she, a full grown 37 year old adult, supposedly praying (an act of faith), someone bonded with children (hence would feel an obligation to reassure them with hope, afterall she'd have hope since she doesn't know what's wrong, right?) is going to be standing in a circle bawling as per her account as told on her MANY TV show appearances. . . and that's only the beginning of things that don't add up with her.

just saying

we have learned that there are many people on this planet who are 'for sale' for the right price. We don't know anything about these new cast of characters who have appeared in Michael's life only recently.

As this nurse one of these new people I can't help but question. She comes across 'sincere' and yet I know for a fact that the best acting contains at least a germ of truth.

eg, maybe Michael did ask her about Propofol, and maybe he did try to convince her that he should have it, and maybe that is the only truth that gives her presentation such an air of credibility. If she is in a weak position, say like Dr. Murray (who for instance just had a baby, is reportedly deep in child support debt for his other children, med practices hanging by a thread, deep in debts etc.) how much would it take to convince her to get on TV and tell the world this story. Even if she resisted because of her honest nature, it might not be hard to convince her that the man is already gone, she's not doing anything wrong, all we're doing is asking you to get on TV and tell this story and you get $.

I say this because if she told the police about Propofol before she went to from show to show why would they not have looked for it sooner? It seems to me they didn't go looking for it until after her appearances on TV.

She said she came forward because when she was seeing in the news reports how suddenly he died she felt there could be a connection. Somewhere it was determined that she may have (or did) go to the police first.

If that's the case, why did the police not seem to have found it until after all her appearances?

She may be as sincere as anything can be, but at the end of the day one has to wonder

why - whether she went to the police right away or later - why did she get on TV going all over the Country about it, period.

Why
 
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This is what I believe as well. I guess the phone records would give us a better idea of how early he was awake and making calls. If he was awake and making calls he could have gone down and gotten Michael's breakfast, too. Something was going on in that room if he wasn't sleeping.

You know when it comes to the phone records... I just thought of this... could he have taken out his sim card he normally uses, put in another one he bought(in the UK we buy them for pay as you go mobile phones) and then after making the calls put his sim back in his phone and destroy the other sim and could the people he had called done the same. This is all based on it being planned, obviously if he did really panic then I'm sure that didn't happen.
 
Again, I ask to all the ppl who say she just popped up out of nowhere, can anyone tell me WHY she said she did this? Anyone? Becuz she DID state why? It's really weird how basic info gets dismissed or maybe ppl dismissed her so early that they missed her intent...which she DID state. Anyway, I gotta go to lunch and then I have a meeting. Maybe someone with time can go back and hunt down all the transcripts and interviews she's given from day one and reaquaint themselves with her "testimony".

Peace.

From what I remember she said she came forward because she was hearing all this talk in the press/media types that MJ was a drug addict. She said that from her dealings with him, she didnt feel that was the case. She said that MJ was desperate to get sleep, not a high, but sleep. I cant find a transcript, but thats what I remember.
 
The article bellow is from MJMystery posting on the KOP
MJMystery makes the following 3 points:

"1) Since nurse Cherlyn Lee has admitted to giving MJ Myers's "cocktail" INTRAVEOUS INJECTIONS, why associate needle injections with "drugs?" I noticed the talking heads speaking of injections on his arm, maybe they were for these "Myers's VITIAMIN injections?

2) Since MJ received these injections, is it possible he was given an injection of something else that he believed to be VITAMINS that weren't?

3) Frank Dileo SAID the followng about his meeting with Dr. Murray: I had one meeting with him, making sure Michael had the right vitamins, what kind of smoothies to make, should it be G2 or Gatorade after the show? He told us he was a cardiologist, and I said, “Michael, this is perfect. Because I’ve already had three heart attacks and I have seven stents in my heart. If I drop over in London, this guy’s right there.”
Here is the L.A. Times Article:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_sh...at-exactly.html

Michael Jackson reportedly got a Myers cocktail. So what is that exactly?

The Myers cocktail, an intravenous blend of vitamins and minerals, has become increasingly popular in the less-traditional medical world in recent years. It went public a few days ago when nurse Cherilyn Lee, who specializes in nutritional counseling, said she had given Michael Jackson an intravenous blend of vitamins and minerals called a Myers cocktail.

In the Associated Press story, she's quoted as saying: "It wasn't that he felt sick. ... He just wanted more energy." Jackson had been asking for Diprivan, Lee said.

The concoction, based on one created by physician John Myers of Baltimore, includes magnesium, calcium, several B vitamins and vitamin C.

Here's an overview, "Intravenous Nutrient Therapy: The 'Myers’ Cocktail,'" published in Alternative Medicine Review in 2002.

It's written by Dr. Alan Gaby, who popularized the mixture and who contends that the cocktail "has been found to be effective against acute asthma attacks, migraines, fatigue (including chronic fatigue syndrome), fibromyalgia, acute muscle spasm, upper respiratory tract infections, chronic sinusitis, seasonal allergic rhinitis, cardiovascular disease, and other disorders."

These are bold claims.

Even the paper acknowledges that the evidence of its effectiveness is largely anecdotal and that there's little in the way of published research.

And yet in his conclusion, Gaby says: "In many instances this treatment is more effective and better tolerated than conventional medical therapies. ... Widespread appropriate use of this treatment would likely reduce the overall cost of healthcare, while greatly improving the health of many individuals."

Perhaps explaining the appeal, and lack of obvious effectiveness, of such intravenous nutrients, there's this discussion-starting post on a Lyme disease support group forum from a patient who had a Myers cocktail via IV drip:

"I didn't feel much yesterday after having it administered but today I feel pretty darn good. Hard to know, though if it's the treatment or not since good and bad days alternating is my norm."

More recently, the blog Terra Sigillata, by a researcher trained in pharmacology and toxicology, explains the "Myers' cocktail" in relation to the Jackson case.

He offers some background material on the concoction and adds: "I am particularly concerned with the calcium composition of this intravenous brew; while not likely to be toxic on its own, if dosed as listed, I do have some concern if Mr. Jackson already had pre-existing cardiac problems and/or was receiving drugs such as Demerol (meperidine) or Diprivan (propofol) which each pose a risk of cardiac toxicity."

-- Tami Dennis

ASIDE:
To summarize Nurse Cherilyn Lee's "holitistic therapy" could have been harmful to Michael Jackson?
 
From what I remember she said she came forward because she was hearing all this talk in the press/media types that MJ was a drug addict. She said that from her dealings with him, she didnt feel that was the case. She said that MJ was desperate to get sleep, not a high, but sleep. I cant find a transcript, but thats what I remember.

Gold star for you! :flowers:

I say this because if she told the police about Propofol before she went to from show to show why would they not have looked for it sooner? It seems to me they didn't go looking for it until after her appearances on TV.

Becuz maybe they weren't looking for anything like that? They were grabbing pill bottles to try and confirm their theory of a drug overdose. When you look at a bottle of diprivan it has no prescription on it. Police probably had no idea what it was or couldn't imagine it had anything to do with prescription drug use...same as they wouldn't confiscate a bottle of rubbing alcohol. They may have deemed it irrelevant...or had no information about where it was really kept at first. If I'm not mistaken they went back to the house after she spoke out and after Murray's second interview and suddenly found the "closet" where the diprivan was located.

She said she came forward because when she was seeing in the news reports how suddenly he died she felt there could be a connection. Somewhere it was determined that she may have (or did) go to the police first.

She first went to the Associated Press. That was her first interview. I don't believe the AP pays for interviews. From there it only made sense that ppl like CNN, MSNBC, etc. would start trying to contact her....and like some fans, even they initially thought her story was BS...until Sanjay Gupta did some REAL investigating and discovered not only did Michael use propofol in the past but he was able to track down the doctor who had given it to him during History tour.

Perhaps she reached out to the AP, considering they are supposed to be a reliable source for news, to try and offer her story as a rebuttal to the drug theories going around out there. If the police were interested, surely they would come to her...and eventually, they did. I do understand those who feel she should have gone straight to the police first. I, for one, am glad she didn't. They could have put her on lockdown and we would not be the wiser about this propofol at all...getting only reports about every other drug known to man and having Deepak Chopra and all those folks getting PAID to tell their drug addict stories ad finitum.


If that's the case, why did the police not seem to have found it until after all her appearances?

Maybe they weren't looking for milky liquids that shouldn't be found outside of a hospital in the first place. They were more than likely looking for pills, pill bottles, prescriptions...

Btw...everyone who appears on those shows are getting paid whether they have gone to the police first or last. If we criticize her, we have to criticize everyone else who's been on Larry King and all those shows saying what we want to hear and what we don't want to hear, what we believe and disbelieve. jmo.
 
Becuz maybe they weren't looking for anything like that? They were grabbing pill bottles to try and confirm their theory of a drug overdose. When you look at a bottle of diprivan it has no prescription on it. Police probably had no idea what it was or couldn't imagine it had anything to do with prescription drug use...same as they wouldn't confiscate a bottle of rubbing alcohol. They may have deemed it irrelevant...or had no information about where it was really kept at first. If I'm not mistaken they went back to the house after she spoke out and after Murray's second interview and suddenly found the "closet" where the diprivan was located.

I know the family went into the house and removed everything before anyone else went inside. I wonder if they found that Diprivan in the closet when they were there??
 
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