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Nurse Cherilyn Lee Is a Liar and Possible Supporter of Dr. Murder Murray

wendy2004 said:
Chest pains came from Liza Minelli...she said her lawyer told her (or a lawyer friend of some kind). I think it would be interesting to know who this person was and where they got that story from. Leg pain? I'm not sure. I've heard it, too, but can't remember a source. May have been something Michael complained about to a fan...but don't quote me. And I remember the thing about the blankets and Murray telling people to keep MJ warm, too... I think that came from Geraldo a couple of weeks ago when he was doing a timeline of the week before MJ died. Maybe someone with more info will post.
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thanks alot...

i also read a story that came from the police that upstairs where MJ and his kids stay is very hot cuz Mj was feeling cold all the time !!!!
 
Kizmic said:
Diprivan knocks you out within 40 seconds. If it was diprivan he wouldn't have made a phone call.
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He could have called after he came to. She didn't say he used diprivan she said she figured he took something that hit his nervous system.
 
The Dr. wouldn't panic at MJ being Hot and cold, that is a whole different matter from not breathing. And the Dr. would have access to a PDR even if through the internet.

And it's funny how Ms Lee never asked MJ when his symptoms started etc. She never asked, or maybe MJ just said 'Bye'.lol.

And there is also the possibility that MJ took no propofol on sat night/sunday morning either way.


I have also considered the propofol story not being true but Murray's lawyer all but confirmed it. Which would mean Lee never needed to come out and 'save the day' because Murray would have already told the cops on that fateful day.
 
LisaB said:
The Dr. wouldn't panic at MJ being Hot and cold, that is a whole different matter from not breathing. And the Dr. would have access to a PDR even if through the internet.

And it's funny how Ms Lee never asked MJ when his symptoms started etc. She never asked, or maybe MJ just said 'Bye'.lol.

And there is also the possibility that MJ took no propofol on sat night/sunday morning either way.


I have also considered the propofol story not being true but Murray's lawyer all but confirmed it. Which would mean Lee never needed to come out and 'save the day' because Murray would have already told the cops on that fateful day.
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I dunno, most of the doctors who were on CNN and other places said the whole "hot on one side and cold on the other" was very unusual. NONE of them could seem to figure out what could have caused that...but they all seemed to agree with Lee that whatever it was it was a central nervous system or brain issue. So I still think if such a thing is such a rare symptom that Dr. Murray would panic. We can agree to disagree on that. And again, it may not have been Murray in the room at all...but some other unknown person, if any.

And I can totally see Michael shivering and sweating while someone scours the internet for answers. lol Calling a human who he thinks may have some idea might have been a more appealing option, imo...who knows, really.

Edit: Well, if Lee hadn't come forward we'd have been bomarded with oxycontin and demerol stories and God only knows what else for the past 2 months while Murray stayed quiet. So I still say I'm glad this nurse spoke out to possibly put the focus where it really MAY have needed to be....not overdosing on drugs.
 
The demerol story was shot down quite quickly, but that is one 'positive' way to look at this, you are very right. Especially since Deepak started the fire storm of the 'addicted to drugs' theory. Gotta give Lee credit for that one.
 
Ohood said:
i also read a story that came from the police that upstairs where MJ and his kids stay is very hot cuz Mj was feeling cold all the time !!!!
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I thought the chef said no one in the house was allowed upstairs, not even the children. So I would assume their bedroom was downstairs where they were to stay.

And I think the fact it was very hot is because all the fireplaces and heaters on were used by Murray to keep Michael's body warm right after he accomplished his mission.

I hope investigators have figured the whole heat mess out.
 
Cherilyn says she was contacted by Michael Jackson’s staff on Sunday (Father's Day) about him feeling ill. Wouldn’t the LAPD have known about Cherilynn Lee if the LAPD had interrogated Michael’s staff and entourage about Michael’s medication and health?

I guess I should have first asked if the LAPD have
interviewed the mysterious members of Michael Jackson's staff.
Only the Chef has come forward, and unlike Nurse Cherilyn, she has
said Michael Jackson did not complain of any health problems.

Also, this is question I have wondered often about:

Why wouldn’t a practicing CARDIOLOGIST have a Fibulator?
 
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the way i see it, if she had not come forward and spoke of the Dip/prop, they would not even be looking for it as a cause of death. she broke the story IMO wide open with her candid commentary.
 
OK!! I am willing to say that this is plausible, but everyone involved would risk the other selling them out. The police would have to see how far back does the relationship with all these people go. This would have to be like an "Oceans 11" operation.
 
CherubimII said:
Cherilyn says she was contacted by Michael Jackson’s staff on Sunday (Father's Day) about him feeling ill. Wouldn’t the LAPD have known about Cherilynn Lee if the LAPD had interrogated Michael’s staff and entourage about Michael’s medication and health?

I guess I should have first asked if the LAPD have
interviewed the mysterious members of Michael Jackson's staff.
Only the Chef has come forward, and unlike Nurse Cherilyn, she has
said Michael Jackson did not complain of any health problems.
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That would probably depend on which staff member(s) they interviewed and when they interviewed each of them. If they spoke to the staff member early on, who's to say that person would or would not have mentioned her? Especially if they were somehow involved in what happened to Michael that Sunday in his room. If they were trying to protect themselves, we may never know how forthcoming they were with police. However, becuz Lee came forward, I'd guess she gave police the name of the person she spoke with (as she seemed to indicate she knew who she was talking to) and police subsequently went back and asked that person about that day....or went to find the person to question them about it...at least it's my hope that police did this.
 
The Nurse says she gave Michael Jackson Vitamin C via I.V. :unsure:
transcript:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530340,00.html

VAN SUSTEREN: June rolls around, and did you hear from him between June ( I think it should be April) and, let's say, five days before he died. Did you hear from him at all?
LEE: Father's Day.
VAN SUSTEREN: He called you, or you called him?
LEE: He called me.
VAN SUSTEREN: And what time of day did he call you?
LEE: It was in the afternoon. That's when I received a call, when I was in Florida.
VAN SUSTEREN: Does he make these calls himself, or does he somebody else make them?
LEE: Somebody makes the calls.
VAN SUSTEREN: And says, what, hold for Mike?
LEE: He might physically, himself, or someone just called and said he's going to be calling you, but is calling from a blocked number. I said that's fine in a couple of minutes, and I was put to speak with him.
This time someone else called. And another person, so he called, and I showed her my caller ID, I'm an ER myself in Florida. And so I picked up the phone and answered it.
And he said -- he said, "You know, Michael need you to come see him. We want to know if you could please come today, right away." I said I really can't. I'm in Florida. I said "What's going on?"
And he said, and I could hear Michael in the background saying, "Please, just tell her, tell her what's going on with me. Just tell her."
He said one side of my body is hot and one side of my body is cold, and what should I do?
VAN SUSTEREN: Have you ever head symptom before?
LEE: No. And I worked in emergency medicine, and so, no, I have not heard that symptom before.
VAN SUSTEREN: So you thought that was unusual.
LEE: I know it was very unusual. And I was very concerned based on the facts of what I told him about the medicine.
VAN SUSTEREN: Is there any chance that he would have given himself an IV himself?
LEE: No. He was afraid of needles. And he never comes towards his body with anything like that. There's no way.
VAN SUSTEREN: There is no way he would have gotten the Diprivan and done it himself in your mind?
LEE: No.
VAN SUSTEREN: You're certain?
LEE: I am certain about that. He didn't want anything that was going to cause him pain.
I had a cream called shae (ph) butter. And I said, come on, Michael, let me just massage your hands because they are really dry and cracked. And let me just do that. And we started that back in February.
And he was saying that it was a little painful because it was so dry. And then after that, I said, come on, let me do your feet. And he would no, you're not going to see my feet.
As far as anything dealing with pain, no, never. I can't ever see him doing anything like that.
VAN SUSTEREN: So he would let you do it as a professional, do the IV with the vitamin C?
LEE: Right.
VAN SUSTEREN: But you don't think that he would have freelanced in the sense of giving himself an IV himself or something else?
LEE: Oh, no. No.
VAN SUSTEREN: Someone else did?
LEE: Actually, he would close his eyes for me to give him the vitamin C.
VAN SUSTEREN: So you think if that is the cause of death, the IV, somebody else did it?
LEE: Yes. He would close his eyes. He didn't want to look and -- no. No.
Because he said, "please find a doctor to give me this medication so they can monitor me."


Anderson Cooper Transcript:
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009/06/30/transcript-of-cherilyn-lee-interview/

Cherilyn Lee: well, I received a call, I was in Florida. And unfortunately, I was actually in the hospital myself in the E.R. in Florida. And I received the call and I could hear Mr. Jackson in the background saying please have her come see me now. Can she come now? And the person in on the other end, which I know the person, but I’d prefer not to give out their names. Because they know me quite well said that Mr. Jackson really, really needs you. He is experiencing — they told me the symptoms and I said that is very serious, you need to go to the hospital. Unfortunately I’m not in town so I cannot come and see you. But you need to go to the hospital. I’m very — I was really afraid because of the symptoms he was telling me.
Campbell: what were those symptoms?
Cherilyn Lee: the symptoms were one side of his body felt cold and one side of his body felt hot.
Campbell: and what did that mean to you?
Cherilyn Lee: well, that meant — it could have meant a couple of things. It could have meant something going on in the nervous system, or something cardiovascular, but more than nervous system because of the brain itself. and I had already gone through — I think this is why he was reaching out for me Sunday because I had already about three months ago went through all of the symptoms this medication that he wanted that his doctor told him and I don’t know who his doctor is. His doctor told him that this was safe.
 
About the Cardiologist thing....I've posted this before, but alas, Imma type it again. I keep hearing folks calling Murray a cardiologist and somehow suggesting he was inferior to a general doctor. OR there are folks saying "Why would MJ have a cardiologist" around? There MUST have been probs with his heart?"

Okay, first the facts.... A cardiologist is not inferior or somehow less than a general doctor. ALL medical doctors must graduate from medical school, okay? When they do this, they are qualified to be general doctors. However, doctors who want to study additionally to become a specialist such a cardiologist would continue to study...however their study is mostly focused on the thing they want to specialize in. In Murray's case that would be the heart. THIS specialization is what makes him a cardiologist. However, it doesn't mean he's unable to practice basic general medicine involving someone's health. He's not only completed the years to become a "doctor" but he's also had additional study to become a doctor who specializes in the heart...a cardiologist. Cardiologists can practice general medicine BUT general practioners CAN NOT be cardiologists. I hope that was clear.

Now...for my opinion. Becuz Michael had a doctor who specialized in cardiology does not necessarily mean Michael must have had heart problems. It could simply mean he was referred to Murry who "just happened" to be a cardiololgist becuz that was who his guard knew at the time. And again, cardiologists can practice general medicine. At the same time, had Michael had a heart problem or one of his kids developed a heart issue, they would have had the benefit of having a general doctor whose specialty was the heart...same as Klein's specialty is the skin and Hoefflin's specialty is plastic surgery.

Unfortunately, Murray sucked as a basic doctor...imho. The fact that he was a cardiologist on top of it doesn't matter to me and I find it irrelevant. He simply sucked!
 
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Yes, getting vitamin C and/or electrolytes via I.V. and outside of a hospital setting is not an unusual practice.

I think it's interesting that she said Michael had small veins and it took a while for her to find one while the people pushing the addict story claim his veins were collapsed. Some ppl do have small veins. I, myself, have small veins. When the doctor needs blood from me they have to use a pediatric needle. Anyway, like I say...lots of things come down to perception. And ppl tend to see things differently.

Edit: Oh, forgot...dehydration also contributes to some ppl having smaller veins temporarily while they are dehydrated. Once that issue is solved, their veins are fine.
 
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Thanks for posting the transcript. Is it even POSSIBLE to put in an IV oneself? One-handed? Wouldn't that be next to impossible? I mean, it's a procedure that requires a bit of manual-dexterity, I'd imagine, and with TWO hands. Just wondering.

This is extremely strange. I've never heard of that symptom before. . hot and cold at the same time. That symptom is so bizarre, I don't know why he didn't immediately go to a hospital! Why didn't an employee urge him to go to hospital (if, in fact, they didn't.)?

There is so much that is mysterious here. . .
 
If he was hot and cold at the same time, then he was in serious trouble that Sunday then and it probably got worse as the week went on, whatever happened between Sunday and Thursday morning we'll probably never get a complete timeline.
 
Victoria83 said:
Thanks for posting the transcript. Is it even POSSIBLE to put in an IV oneself? One-handed? Wouldn't that be next to impossible? I mean, it's a procedure that requires a bit of manual-dexterity, I'd imagine, and with TWO hands. Just wondering.

This is extremely strange. I've never heard of that symptom before. . hot and cold at the same time. That symptom is so bizarre, I don't know why he didn't immediately go to a hospital! Why didn't an employee urge him to go to hospital (if, in fact, they didn't.)?

There is so much that is mysterious here. . .
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I've never heard of the one side cold, one side hot either, even from a neurological standpoint. As for inserting an iv into oneself, guess it could be done knowing how iv drug abusers manage it, just would have to have the needle connected to the iv tubing, but can't picture Michael doing it at all. And Vit C is given IV all the time in the hospital setting, although it's part of MVI (multivitamin) additive into regular iv bags like normal saline. Usually given to people who are not able to eat or are malnourished or have the potential for malnourishment from lack of adequate nutritional intake. Never heard of anyone dieing from receiving Vit C iv either, unless obviously by incorrect dosage or something.
 
. And I received the call and I could hear Mr. Jackson in the background saying please have her come see me now. Can she come now?
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so this answers that question (someone had had) about whether MJ was 'under' (knocked out on Propofol) when the guard/assistant or whomever, called the nurse

I know wiki isn't the bible but I do want to point out something that has been reported by wiki because it has been widely believed that Murray admitted to police that he gave MJ Propofol and I just found this, which I recall hearing in the news and you may also.

On the 27th, an anonymous source reported that Murray had administered propofol within 24 hours of Jackson's death.[47] Murray's lawyers refused to comment on what they called "rumors, innuendo or unnamed sources."[48] The following day, the ABC News program Nightline reported that investigators had searched Murray's home and office in Las Vegas, and that Murray had become the primary focus of the investigation.[49] On August 11, a Las Vegas pharmacy was searched by investigators looking for evidence against Murray, according to an anonymous police source cited by The New York Times.[50] Murray's lawyer advised patience until the toxicology results arrived, noting that "things tend to shake out when all the facts are made known".[49]
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wiki link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Michael_Jackson#Medical_professionals

On the 27th of .. what.. June? Two days after? Could it be that Cherilyn could be the unnamed source? Could the being anonymous be the reason she told the press she didn't contact authorities? I agree that as mentioned in someone's earlier post, she was clearly (based on MJ's phone call to her) assuming it was Propofol that had MJ feeling those symptoms...so did she annonymously contact the police, thinking she was doing good...?....when in fact (regardless to who the anonymous tipper is) maybe it was not Propofol at all? I'm yes pulling this from my u-know-what but my gut is telling me this Propofol stuff is for a purpose. Ever since that "trial" fiasco, I do not trust the media or any human beings who have the potential to take bribes.

There is so much confusion with such limited info and so many contradictions.

Another thing is, if Mark Lester, an Osteopath, said that MJ would not consent to Acupuncture because he was "scared of needles" this whole Propofol story doesn't even make sense.

Lester may be _______ (whatever ppl want to think of his paternity/attention/money seeking issues) but why would he make up something like that. If he's telling the truth, how could MJ be comfortable with someone sticking him with needles to administer Propofol? After a while the veins do become hard to find etc. Would MJ be so committed to this drug to the point of them having to 'locate veins' over time? He may be one of those ppl with big veins but it becomes an issue the more a person has to be 'stuck'.

OK, I'll give just for the sake of fairness that maybe its as someone suggested, that maybe MJ was so desperate to sleep that he may have been "addicted" to this sure-fire process, but what doesn't add up with that whole thing is, if Acupuncture could be (or could have been) a wholistic alternative (and we see MJ is into wholistic alternatives) why would he not give Accupuncture a chance to replace this dangerous, inconvenient and cumbersome procedure?

just more questions *sigh* *arrrrrrrrgghhhh!! *
 
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CherubimII said:
Also, this is question I have wondered often about:

Why wouldn’t a practicing CARDIOLOGIST have a Fibulator?
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This is exactly what I was always wondering. I eman, he knew about the heart etc, why didn't have the tools to protect it? Perhaps he figured that what he was doing to Michael wouldn't place him in need of a fibulator.

Murray never cared about Michael; he charged him an outrageous sum, and performed an act which he knowingly knew endangered his life in order to keep that money flowing. Makes me so ill...you're a cardiologist, yet you take a chance with someone's life....*sighs*
 
CherubimII said:
VAN SUSTEREN: So he would let you do it as a professional, do the IV with the vitamin C?
LEE: Right.
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I just don't UNDERSTAND. If Michael needed some vitamin C, drink some ORANGE JUICE!! I just can't believe this woman.

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And about feeling hot and cold, I'm sure Michael would have went to the hospital or at least the clinic he visited every week or two.
 
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On the 27th, an anonymous source reported that Murray had administered propofol within 24 hours of Jackson's death.[47]
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I think it's interesting that the source of that sentence is the only one on that wiki page that doesn't have an active link to verify if the quote is accurate.

sigh

I'm going to bed.
 
^ hadn't noticed that ... ain't that some stuff

lol I feel ya

At least this one has a source which brings me to (of course) another question but I'll get to that in a sec

Murray said through his attorney that he did not prescribe or administer Demerol or Oxycontin to Jackson, but did not say what, if anything, he did prescribe or administer.[41]
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The source is the AP but now the link to the full article is dead !

My question now is this (and I recall this being the initial report, in the news at least):

Los Angeles police said the doctor spoke to officers immediately after Jackson's death, and during an extensive interview two days later. They stressed that they found "no red flag" and did not suspect foul play.[10]
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When did they suspect foul play? When the family insisted as I recall.

So until then, they had spoken to the doctor and on their own, the LAPD didn't suspect foul play. They stressed they found no red flag which tells me they had to have had a run around that house looking for some kind of red flag or at least it suggests they would, afterall, they are the police and if they are looking for a red flag that suggests to me they would look at the incident scene because that's what police do, is it not?

All this "investigation" drama strikes me as ... I dunno. Just hard to buy it. Any of it.
 
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wendy2004 said:


I think it's interesting that the source of that sentence is the only one on that wiki page that doesn't have an active link to verify if the quote is accurate.

sigh

I'm going to bed.
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But besides the anonymous source, didn't Murray admit himself??
 
Maybe she is being honest and Michael trusted the doctor who told him it was safe but the doctor wanted MJ to pay him alot of money to do it. I wonder what doctor MJ was talking about.

I was watching her interview again. I just don't see her as a liar. She doesn't appear to be putting on false tears. It appears that she feels guilty for not going to check out what was going on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDSoa9hPX-0
 
I just want to point out that in my over 4 decades on this planet I have discovered in recent years that sometimes the more convincing a person seems, the more of a liar they really are. This is also true when people stick "God" in the middle of their charades. Not always OF COURSE, but don't be so sure when you're watching a good performance.

Michael said it best (and I realize we know NOTHING at this time)

Some people will do ANYTHING for money, and it was always for money that I have seen some of the best acting there is and they even do it in the name of God, yes they do, and in the name of caring when they could really care less.

Yes, she seems sincere ... for the most part. maybe
 
I still feel she was lying, maybe not about everything but to an extent.

She kept saying "Michael begged me", "he was desperate, so desperate that..". But I just can't imagine Michael begging. A friend of his even said "Michael Jackson does not beg for anything." I believe Lee made that up so people will believe Michael really was a drug addict when the story eventually came around. That's what addicts do, they BEG because they are DESPERATE.

And she sounded so damn sure of herself that it was propofol that killed Michael before the substance was even found. Didn't it occur to her that the drug may not have been what killed him? She could have at least waited till they found the stuff.

I could go on and explain more but there's just too much.
 
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STATEofSHOCK said:
I just want to point out that in my over 4 decades on this planet I have discovered in recent years that sometimes the more convincing a person seems, the more of a liar they really are.

Some people will do ANYTHING for money, and it was always for money that I have seen some of the best acting there is and they even do it in the name of God, yes they do, and in the name of caring when they could really care less.

Yes, she seems sincere ... for the most part. maybe
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I agree with you!

"If you know it's a lie Then you will swear it. If you give it with guilt Then you will bear it....If you tell me to cry Then I will fake it...you'll do anything for money." - MJ

I wonder if Michael even knew who that woman was? There's a darn good way to find out!! She said Michael called her to come over and treat one of his sick children. Just ask any of his children and if they don't know who she is or say they've never seen her.....but really, that's the best way to find out if she's telling even the SLIGHTEST truth.
 
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Man, if it turns out there's NO propofol found in his system, all hell really gonna break loose then. We're hearing too many stories as of the moment.
 
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